Sanval

Hey everyone,

I’ve been struggling with sleep for ages—honestly, I check off pretty much every box on the list of reasons why people deal with insomnia. 🙂

I’ve tried everything at this point... meds, "natural" alternatives, even those energy healers. Tried Normabele, Persen, you name it.

My doctor just put me on Sanval today. It seems like people have wildly different takes on it, or maybe it's just me—all I can find online are ancient threads on some random forums.

Anyone actually used this before? Care to share how it worked for you? 🤔

Honestly, Sanval and Persen are such a joke—total waste of money if you ask me. I remember back when I was dealing with those insane insomnia nights, I downed all 10 of those Sanval pills at once $17 and still only managed to catch maybe an hour and a half of sleep... total disaster. You’re better off getting Elokvel—it’s prescription only, so yeah, you gotta pay a little extra $6.75 but you just take one and boom, eight hours of solid sleep, easy... that's really it...

Aaron Sanchez6 said:Man, neither Sanval nor Persen are worth the money—they're pricey. When I was struggling to sleep, I downed all 10 Sanval pills$17 and only got an hour and a half of shut-eye. If you get Elokvel via prescription—you pay extra, obviously--$6.75 but you take one and sleep for a solid 8 hours. Simple as that...

I got Sanval through my doctor so it didn't cost me a dime, and I was looking into Persen since it's herbal—I'm not trying to get hooked on anything.
It’s weird though, because some people say Sanval does absolutely nothing for them, while others claim they were hallucinating and felt totally high off of it.
What's the deal with Elokvel? Any side effects? 🥱

Sanval works pretty well for me; just take it, lie down, and wait for the effects to kick in.

Grace Cooper7 said:Sanval works great for me—just take it, lie down, and wait for the magic to happen.

Sounds like you've been on it forever... I read on the label that it can be addictive after about four weeks. That's basically the limit, right?

Honestly, neither Sanval nor Persen are doing anything special—they’re basically just designed to make a quick buck while oxazepam does all the actual heavy lifting. I mean, you'll find those other ingredients in such tiny, negligible amounts... if you actually want to get some decent sleep, whether it's through Elokvel or something even more effective like Serokvel, just take your dose, stop overthinking everything, and pass out properly.

Aaron Sanchez6 said:Honestly, forget Sanval or Persen—those things are just cash grabs. If you actually want some decent sleep, just grab some Elokvel or maybe a better quality sedative... take it, stop waiting around, and pass out.

Any side effects?

jadeharbor81 said:That sounds like you're on it way too much. I read the instructions say it can be addictive after about four weeks of use—so that's pretty much the limit, right?

I don't take it often, and it's rare that I'd even use it two or three days in a row, so addiction isn't an issue here. 🙂 But I don't know, how often are you actually struggling to sleep?

Sanval doesn't create dependency
I've been using it for years now, though naturally, I am quite meticulous about regulating my dosage; if you let yourself build up a tolerance, your body simply becomes resistant

Of course, it really comes down to the individual. There are people for whom even 30 mg won't induce sleep—they just end up hallucinating—whereas Persen actually does the trick
as far as I'm concerned, Persen is absolute garbage

Look, there’s already a thread on the forum about insomnia—seriously, if you’re struggling that much, maybe try scrolling back a bit instead of just asking the same thing over and over... anyway, just go read what Denpa001 wrote about your Sanval and draw your own conclusions. Or don't. Whatever.
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Hey everyone, first things first! If you’re hanging out in this thread, it means you’re dealing with insomnia—more or less. I used to deal with it too, but let me be crystal clear: I *used* to. There is a way out of this nightmare, I promise. I’m guessing most of you are still popping whatever pills some doctor handed you... and let's be real, most of these doctors don't have a clue about sleep disorders. I'm talking about people who are considered the top specialists in the US—yeah, I've sat across from them myself—and it’s honestly mind-blowing how casually they just prescribe stuff. They think, "Oh, you can't sleep? Here, take Sanval." That "medication"? Honestly, I’d call it poison. It’s actually the root cause of your insomnia. After just a few days or weeks of taking it—depending on the person, obviously—it messes with your head so much that you lose the ability to fall asleep on your own. It basically rewires your brain so it stops recognizing when it's actually time to shut down! I was on it for maybe a month, every single night, and after that month was up, the effect started tanking. Like, if I took a 10 mg dose before bed, I’d pass out relatively quickly around 11 PM, BUT then I'd wake up at 3 AM and be totally stuck... wide awake. I realized the dose wasn't working anymore and that I'd need to crank it up, but then it hit me—that's just a death spiral into addiction. You end up swallowing bigger and bigger amounts just to get the same result, if that...

So my doctor sends me off to see some psychiatrist, right? And honestly, it’s like they don't even have a real solution—they just want to throw "medication" at you and hope things magically get better. They were pushing all these different antidepressants with sedative effects that you're supposed to take before bed, but let me tell you... after I stopped taking Sanval, none of that stuff did even 1% of what it was supposed to. Though, looking back, I didn't realize that at the time. The thing is, I’ve never actually struggled with depression. Like, ever. It wasn't even that I felt low or had some massive life crisis or anything weighing me down—nothing changed in my world recently that would justify feeling miserable. It was just that I couldn't sleep because of Sanval—which I hadn't figured out yet—but they were dead set on insisting it was "depression" or "anxiety." So they kept offering me one pill after another... mostly just benzodiazepines, basically just heavy-duty tranquilizers. I finally quit the Sanval and thought, "Fine, I'll try these calming pills instead," thinking they'd be easier on me. Big mistake. Huge. I ended up spiraling straight into a living hell that dragged on for four or five months...
That period was easily the absolute worst stretch of my life—I mean, seriously, I wouldn't wish that hell on my worst enemy... honestly, I’d rather just take a bullet to the head right now than have to relive even a single second of it. Never again.
Honestly, I’m convinced plenty of other people are going through this exact same thing—it just goes unnoticed because our doctors are totally clueless about the actual meds they're handing out... they really don't have a clue what they're prescribing half the time.
Man, I’ve been running on like two or three hours of sleep a night for five straight months now... if I could actually manage to clock even five hours, it would be a total game changer! And don't even get me started on trying to use sleeping pills to fix it—what a joke. You just wake up feeling even more wiped out than when you originally crashed... honestly, it's brutal...
I’m walking around feeling totally high—like there’s this thick, heavy fog permanently stuck inside my head... it's just not right. And the sleep? Forget about it. It’s completely unnatural. Honestly, there have been moments where I just wanted to be dead—to just end it all because living like this isn't actually living... it's just pure, unadulterated torture.
I lost my job... and honestly, I haven't even stepped foot outside my apartment because the insomnia is just brutal—I can barely function at this point. Everything that used to actually make me happy? It feels so distant now, like some weird, fading dream... I just wanted it all to stop. I just wanted to disappear.
But hey, I didn't just roll over and die—I kept digging, scouring the web and endlessly Googling like a madman... and after what felt like four or five months of pure, unadulterated agony, I finally did it. I actually managed to track down an American forum where people were actually talking about using AMBIEN.
Look, Sanval is just the generic version of Ambien—it’s the exact same stuff. It’s all about that Zolpidem, which is basically the whole reason those pills even work... or rather, why they cause so much trouble. I'm telling you, there are tons of people out there who ended up in this absolute nightmare of insomnia—all because some doctor decided to hand out Ambien like candy just because they couldn't sleep for a couple of nights. Suddenly, everyone's stuck in the same hellscape I found myself in... it's a mess.
I’m going to lay this all out for you because—honestly—not one single doctor in Chicago, none of those sleep specialists at the big clinics, no private psychiatrists, and definitely nothing from my insurance provider actually helped me... they just kept piling on more and more meds. It basically just dragged out my misery until I was right on the edge... seriously. Because that’s all they seem to know how to do—just hand you some "pill" to get you out of their office so they don't have to deal with you anymore. It's pathetic, but I've lived through it myself!!

Here’s the deal—Sanval hits those GABA receptors in your brain, and after you've been taking it regularly for a few weeks, your brain basically loses its ability to shut down on its own. It hijacks your natural ability to drift off. Plus, once you start with one dose, it doesn't even work anymore after a while, so you end up cranking up the dosage just to feel anything... before you know it, you're popping multiple pills before bed, and Big Pharma is laughing all the way to the bank because they need you hooked on more and more! And if you quit Sanval and try switching to any other sedative or sleeping pill from the benzodiazepine family, they hit those exact same receptors—you aren't giving your brain a chance to recover, and you just end up with even worse insomnia.
But look, the good news is that the brain *does* eventually bounce back once you stop the pills!!!
Basically, you have to kick all the sedatives and sleeping pills to the curb, but—and this is huge—you HAVE to talk to your doctor first. If you're on high doses, you can't just quit cold turkey; you have to taper down gradually until you hit zero.
I was on 10 mg of Sanval myself, and I just quit cold turkey because I wanted out of that hellscape as fast as humanly possible. You just have to accept that for the first few weeks, your sleep is going to be absolute garbage. You might get maybe an hour or two a day—maybe nothing at all for the first couple of days—but after a bit, you'll start sleeping more and more.
For me, during those first six days after I stopped Sanval, I maybe got 2-3 hours of sleep... I'd go to bed at midnight and couldn't fall asleep until almost 6 AM, then I'd manage to snooze for maybe 2 or 3 hours. That went on for six days, and then on the seventh day, I actually managed to fall asleep earlier, and that night I got about 7 hours. I felt better than ever—honestly, I can't remember the last time I actually slept for 7 hours!!!!
As time goes on, your ability to sleep improves, too—meaning more good nights and fewer terrible ones. But it doesn't happen overnight, so brace yourselves: it’ll take about 3 to 4 months before your sleep returns to how it was before the insomnia kicked in. I’m entering my fourth month now since I quit Sanval and every other benzo, and I am SLEEPING 8 HOURS EVERY NIGHT and I FEEL BETTER THAN EVER IN MY LIFE!!!! That feeling of being sleep-deprived—which is hands down the worst sensation a human can experience—is gone, along with that constant "drugged" and foggy feeling from taking all those different pills!

I seriously can't believe what kind of poison Sanval is and the damage it does to the brain, but if you quit, your brain will heal over time and you'll be able to sleep like a baby again!! It just takes time, and the journey you'll go through once you stop isn't exactly a walk in the park, but once you make it to the other side, you'll never want to touch a pill again without doing massive research into what it might do to you!

I really hope this post helps people escape that nightmare and finally sleep better than ever. I made it out, and YOU CAN TOO!!!

P.S. I'll drop a link to this forum here that basically saved my life—thank God I found it, otherwise, who knows where I'd be right now...

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/ambi.../p634#lastPost

Peace to everyone, and I hope you finally get to sleep like actual human beings!!

Grace Cooper7 said:I don't drink it all that much—hardly ever take it two or three days in a row, so addiction isn't really an issue 🙂 But I guess it depends... how often are you actually struggling to sleep?

Aha, well that's great then. Glad you found something that actually works for you 🙂 me? I'm tossing and turning every single night... sometimes it's like 7 or 8 times in a row

Gregory Jackson3 said:Sanval doesn't cause addiction
I've been riding that wave for years—obviously I manage my doses though, because if you just bulk up on it, your body builds a tolerance...

Then again, it depends on the person. Some people can't even sleep on 30 mg and just end up hallucinating, so they switch to Persen
but for me, Persen is absolute garbage

Thanks 🙂

Michael Cook4 said:There’s already a thread on the forum about insomnia... if you actually took a second to scroll through instead of just jumping in, you could read what Denpa001 wrote about your Sanval and draw your own conclusions.

It wasn't "hard" to look—I'm just brand new to the forum... 🙂
Thanks for that!

Run as far away from that stuff as you can. I was hallucinating like crazy—waking up in the middle of the night, pacing around, cleaning the whole house while sleepwalking, then having zero memory of it the next day. After two months on it, I had to quit because those episodes were destroying me. And man, the withdrawal? Four days of shakes, vomiting, and nightmares whenever I managed to catch thirty minutes of sleep. Ended up in the ER because of dehydration. It was brutal. If you really need something for sleep, maybe try Zan or Zonadin instead. Personally, I stayed away because the side effects outweigh any benefit, but Sanval is easily the worst insomnia med out there. 👎Maybe just try setting a sleep routine—go to bed and wake up at the same time, get some fresh air, and exercise. That actually worked for me. Honestly, they should just pull Sanval from the market.

Betty Nelson71 said:Run from that stuff like your life depends on it. I was straight-up hallucinating—getting up in the middle of the night, wandering around like a zombie, cleaning the whole house at 3 AM... then waking up the next day with zero memory of it. After two months of taking it, I had to quit because those midnight episodes were killing me. And man, the comedown? Absolute nightmare. Four days of shakes, vomiting, and nightmares (whenever I actually managed to crash for twenty minutes)... ended up in the ER due to dehydration. It was brutal. If you absolutely have to take something to sleep, maybe look into Zan or Zonadin. Personally, I ditched it because the side effects outweighed any benefit, but Sanval is easily the worst option for insomnia.👎Try setting a routine—same wake-up and bedtime, get outside more, get some exercise... that worked for me. Honestly, they should just pull Sanval from the market.

Yeah, I’ve read about those sleepwalking incidents and everything else you mentioned... really sorry you went through all that, hope you're doing better now.😍

And I'm with you on the second part, especially the fresh air thing.

Yeah, I’ve finally tweaked my routine and started sleeping more. Still wake up a few times during the night, but it beats those mornings where you roll out of bed feeling like there's nothing left in the fridge.🤦

Betty Nelson71 said:Yeah, I finally fixed my routine and I'm actually getting some sleep—mostly. Still waking up a few times throughout the night, but honestly... it beats that old habit of waking up starving and staring at an empty fridge...🤦

Man, those life habits... 😵

I’m honestly pretty stoked you guys started a thread about one of those meds that gets handed out way too easily here in the States.

Long story short, the drug is actually top-tier, provided you’re using it for the right reasons and aren't abusing it by taking it every single night—keep it to maybe two or three weeks, maybe four if things are really rough.

If you're just popping a couple of Sanval pills a month, there's basically zero chance you'll end up hooked or build up a tolerance.

Your main goal should be tackling whatever is causing the insomnia in the first place.
Get some regular exercise in.
Work on your sleep hygiene—you know, hitting the sack and getting up at the same time every day. Sometimes it takes six to eight weeks (or even longer) before you actually start feeling the benefits of that routine. So, just stay patient and you'll get there.😉

Like someone else mentioned on the forum, if you've been on Sanval for a long stretch and suddenly stop, the withdrawal symptoms can genuinely feel like you've caught a nasty flu.
And honestly, sometimes the symptoms are so weird and all over the place that they end up confusing 😵 the entire triage team at the ER, at least until the patient finally admits they've been living off Sanval (or Helex or whatever) for the last few days.

Since anxiety is such a huge driver for insomnia, in those cases, it might actually be better to stick to short-term use of a standard anxiolytic (like Normabel or Praxiten)—but again, only if you follow the stuff I mentioned earlier.

velvetmoose9 said:Glad you guys started a thread on one of the (too) frequently prescribed meds here in the States.
Short version: the drug is great—provided it’s used for the right reasons and you don't abuse the continuity (keep it to 2-3 weeks, maybe 4 max).
If you're popping 1-2 Sanvals a month, the chance of developing an addiction or resistance is tiny—basically zero.
First thing though—try to kill whatever's actually causing the insomnia.
Get some exercise in regularly.
Sleep hygiene (going to bed and getting up at the same time)—sometimes takes 6-8 (or even more) weeks to actually see results. So, patience is key...😉
Anxiety is a huge driver for insomnia, so in those cases, short-term use of a classic anxiolytic (like Xanax, Praxiten...) might be better—combined with everything else I mentioned, obviously.

Thanks 🎉
Yeah, seems like it'll just sit on the shelf for those rare "emergency" moments, assuming it's used sparingly. As for those other methods, I agree that physical activity is huge. Unfortunately, when anxiety hits, that's harder to pull off... but I do notice I sleep way better if I spend more time outdoors, even if it's just a walk rather than a full workout.

Lunice 😍 ,which is basically what people call them when they're being affectionate about their psychotic tendencies.