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silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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joined Jul 2006
#1 ·
How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?
Nancy Thompson3 Nancy Thompson3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2007
#2 ·
silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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joined Jul 2006
#3 ·
Nancy Thompson3 said:To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.

Fair enough.
But what remains then?
How can you be certain it even exists?

Nancy Thompson3 said:To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.

So, are you essentially dividing yourself into the actor and the observer?
If that is the case, does the observer contemplate the motivations of the actor? And if we separate the two, does the actor still possess reasons for its actions once decoupled from the observer?

Nancy Thompson3 said:To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.

Why is that?

Nancy Thompson3 said:To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.

I am not entirely sure I follow—do you mean that this personality doesn't dissipate, or that it doesn't become more defined? Or perhaps both; that it doesn't actually "become" anything at all, but rather simply remains exactly as it has always been?

Nancy Thompson3 said:To me, the concept is just... flawless. No description needed, no morphology required. It just is.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, versus how you think others perceive you? In what ways do you observe yourself?
I observe myself either through this raw sensation of being "me," or through the actions that this "I" performs—basically just managing the body, the sensory inputs, and the mental processing.
Most people don't get me. Honestly, a lot of them don't even want to try because they're too lazy to think about anything beyond the basic stereotypes that I don't fit into.

Quotation:
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by everything you said?
I suppose I will. Though, my views tend to be pretty consistent—not necessarily rigid, just... steady.

Quotation:
Does it feel like your personality is dissipating or becoming more blurred as you age—maybe a better word would be evolving—or does it become more defined as you mature?
No.

Quotation:
And what does maturing or changing actually mean to you?
It doesn't mean anything. It's just adapting to the outside world.

What constitutes the "external world" in relation to your "self"? Is it perhaps just a reflection within you, or is it something truly outside of you that correlates with your "self" in various ways? Furthermore, what would become of your "self" if the external world were to vanish entirely?
mistybison mistybison Regular
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joined Aug 2008
#4 ·
silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

Everything.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality, and how do you perceive yourself versus how you think others see you?
It is irrelevant. What I perceive as "myself" depends on my current state of mind, while what others see in me depends entirely on their own state of mind.

Quotation:
In what ways do you observe yourself?
I strive to observe myself as little as possible and simply exist.

Quotation:
If you return in a few days and look at what you wrote, do you still stand by those words?
Who knows. Sometimes I stumble upon my old posts and am surprised that my views haven't changed, and other times I am genuinely shocked, thinking I wouldn't even recognize those thoughts as my own.

Quotation:
Do you feel like your personality becomes more blurred and indefinite as you mature—perhaps a better word would be evolution—or does it become more defined?
My sense of self is becoming increasingly undefined. I find myself building less and less, as it feels like a futile effort. It drains energy without providing any real benefit.

Quotation:
And what does maturity or evolution actually mean to you?
Precisely what the name implies: change.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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joined Jul 2006
#5 ·
mistybison said:Everything.

Quotation:
Can you promote, feel, or explain your personality, and how do you perceive yourself versus how you think others see you?
It is irrelevant. What I perceive as "myself" depends on my current state of mind, while what others see in me depends entirely on their own state of mind.

Quotation:
In what ways do you observe yourself?
I strive to observe myself as little as possible and simply exist.

Quotation:
If you return in a few days and look at what you wrote, do you still stand by those words?
Who knows. Sometimes I stumble upon my old posts and am surprised that my views haven't changed, and other times I am genuinely shocked, thinking I wouldn't even recognize those thoughts as my own.

Quotation:
Do you feel like your personality becomes more blurred and indefinite as you mature—perhaps a better word would be evolution—or does it become more defined?
My sense of self is becoming increasingly undefined. I find myself building less and less, as it feels like a futile effort. It drains energy without providing any real benefit.

Quotation:
And what does maturity or evolution actually mean to you?
Precisely what the name implies: change.

Oh man, you have really piqued my curiosity here.
So, if change is happening constantly (even if that sounds a bit cliché😬),
is it true that the personality itself begins to scatter during that process?

I was at a comedy show today that wasn't even particularly funny, yet the audience was laughing hysterically. It actually made me stop and focus on the laughter itself; I had this strange sensation that I couldn't pinpoint its source. It felt as though the laughter had entered them from the outside, causing everyone to erupt in this perfectly synchronized, boisterous way.

A scattered personality? One that simply allows things to pass through it?
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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joined May 2009
#6 ·
silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

There’s this persistent sense of detachment that sometimes creeps in—this feeling of being fundamentally disconnected from everyone else around you. It’s like there’s an invisible line drawn between who I am and who everyone else seems to be. I guess it’s that internal struggle of constantly distinguishing myself from the crowd, almost as if I'm perpetually trying to make sense of the gap between my own experience and the world at large. Maybe it's just how I'm wired, but it feels like a constant effort to navigate that divide.

Once we finally let go of that sense of self—once we truly become one with something much larger than our own little lives—that’s when it becomes possible to adopt a more diffused personality. I guess you could call it a broader identity, really. It’s at that point that we might start absorbing a shared morality, a collective way of thinking, or a unified worldview... even a shared sense of responsibility for our actions and things of that nature.
To put it more simply—if I can even call it that—the concept of "self" is only possible because we possess self-awareness. But what exactly constitutes this "self"? I suppose we’re discovering it every single day, really, as it gets illuminated through various lenses depending on the situation we find ourselves in. Since life presents us with an almost infinite number of these situations, and since our "self" is revealed differently under every unique set of circumstances, I suspect we will never truly see the whole picture. We could never experience every possible moment—nor, I imagine, would we ever be able to interpret them all correctly.

silentnomad23 Asks:
I suppose I could attempt to unpack my own personality—though, if I'm being honest, it feels like trying to catch smoke with my bare hands. It’s a bit of an abstract exercise, isn't it? If I were to try and explain how I see myself, I’d say I tend to be someone who lives mostly in the quiet spaces between thoughts—perhaps a bit too much, maybe. I view myself as a deliberate observer; I like to weigh things carefully before speaking, which I realize can sometimes come across as hesitation rather than intention. I think there is a certain sincerity in my approach to life—an earnestness that drives me to look for deeper meanings in even the smallest interactions—but I also struggle with a certain level of self-consciousness. As for how others perceive me... well, that’s where things get complicated. I suspect people might see me as somewhat reserved, or perhaps even a little detached—almost as if I am perpetually lost in thought. There is likely a sense that I am cautious, or maybe even overly analytical—which, I suppose, is true. Some might find my tendency to hedge my statements a bit frustrating—I know I do—while others might see it as a sign of thoughtfulness. It is a strange thing, really—how the version of ourselves we carry internally rarely aligns perfectly with the image reflected back by the world.

Of course I can vouch for them. I’ve been watching their work for quite some time now—though, I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean I've fully grasped the true essence of their character. After all, there is often a significant gap between how I perceive myself and how others see me—or perhaps, more accurately, how they *choose* to see me.

silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

I find myself occasionally revisiting certain moments—looking back at how I acted or how things unfolded—with a sort of detached, almost clinical curiosity. It’s funny, I suppose, because life itself feels like one long, continuous situation that never really pauses for reflection. But I’ve come to realize that simply observing my own reactions isn't quite enough. You can't just focus on yourself in a vacuum. To truly understand what happened, you have to look at the entire context—you have to consider other people, the environment around them, and even your own place within that larger picture. It’s about seeing the whole scene, rather than just staring at your own reflection.

silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

I wasn't actually standing by that—not even when I was originally writing it.

silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

I don't think it can really become more defined or less defined. I mean, it just is what it is. It isn't being shaped or altered; rather, we are simply becoming more aware of it. What truly evolves is our own understanding of that self.

silentnomad23 said:How would you describe yourself—if you were to put it into song—and what does the concept of "the self" actually mean to you?
Can you describe, feel, or explain your own personality? How do you perceive yourself versus how you think the rest of the world sees you? In what ways do you observe your own being?

I suggest coming back in a few days to review your thoughts. Do you still stand by everything you wrote?
Do you feel as though your personality is becoming more blurred and undefined as you grow, or is maturity helping you become more distinct and defined? Perhaps a better word might be evolution
. And ultimately, what does the process of maturing or evolving truly signify to you?

A deeper sense of self-knowledge, I suppose.
As for change... well, they say a wolf sheds its fur, but never its nature. I wonder why we tend to think humans are somehow different—it feels a bit pretentious to assume we can fundamentally rewrite who we are.
mistybison mistybison Regular
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joined Aug 2008
#7 ·
silentnomad23 said:Oh man, you have really piqued my curiosity here.
So, if change is happening constantly (even if that sounds a bit cliché😬),
is it true that the personality itself begins to scatter during that process?

I was at a comedy show today that wasn't even particularly funny, yet the audience was laughing hysterically. It actually made me stop and focus on the laughter itself; I had this strange sensation that I couldn't pinpoint its source. It felt as though the laughter had entered them from the outside, causing everyone to erupt in this perfectly synchronized, boisterous way.

A scattered personality? One that simply allows things to pass through it?

I believe that through all these shifts, a person eventually realizes that everything within them is interconnected, making it difficult to hold onto any fixed idea of who they are.

A dissolved personality? One that just lets life flow right through it?

The personality still manifests in some way, though the individual becomes increasingly aware 😬 that its shape is constantly shifting. Sometimes these changes are so subtle they seem non-existent, yet one understands that change follows its own mysterious course.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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joined Jul 2006
#8 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:
There’s this persistent sense of detachment that sometimes creeps in—this feeling of being fundamentally disconnected from everyone else around you. It’s like there’s an invisible line drawn between who I am and who everyone else seems to be. I guess it’s that internal struggle of constantly distinguishing myself from the crowd, almost as if I'm perpetually trying to make sense of the gap between my own experience and the world at large. Maybe it's just how I'm wired, but it feels like a constant effort to navigate that divide.

Once we finally let go of that sense of self—once we truly become one with something much larger than our own little lives—that’s when it becomes possible to adopt a more diffused personality. I guess you could call it a broader identity, really. It’s at that point that we might start absorbing a shared morality, a collective way of thinking, or a unified worldview... even a shared sense of responsibility for our actions and things of that nature.
To put it more simply—if I can even call it that—the concept of "self" is only possible because we possess self-awareness. But what exactly constitutes this "self"? I suppose we’re discovering it every single day, really, as it gets illuminated through various lenses depending on the situation we find ourselves in. Since life presents us with an almost infinite number of these situations, and since our "self" is revealed differently under every unique set of circumstances, I suspect we will never truly see the whole picture. We could never experience every possible moment—nor, I imagine, would we ever be able to interpret them all correctly.

silentnomad23 Asks:
I suppose I could attempt to unpack my own personality—though, if I'm being honest, it feels like trying to catch smoke with my bare hands. It’s a bit of an abstract exercise, isn't it? If I were to try and explain how I see myself, I’d say I tend to be someone who lives mostly in the quiet spaces between thoughts—perhaps a bit too much, maybe. I view myself as a deliberate observer; I like to weigh things carefully before speaking, which I realize can sometimes come across as hesitation rather than intention. I think there is a certain sincerity in my approach to life—an earnestness that drives me to look for deeper meanings in even the smallest interactions—but I also struggle with a certain level of self-consciousness. As for how others perceive me... well, that’s where things get complicated. I suspect people might see me as somewhat reserved, or perhaps even a little detached—almost as if I am perpetually lost in thought. There is likely a sense that I am cautious, or maybe even overly analytical—which, I suppose, is true. Some might find my tendency to hedge my statements a bit frustrating—I know I do—while others might see it as a sign of thoughtfulness. It is a strange thing, really—how the version of ourselves we carry internally rarely aligns perfectly with the image reflected back by the world.

Of course I can vouch for them. I’ve been watching their work for quite some time now—though, I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean I've fully grasped the true essence of their character. After all, there is often a significant gap between how I perceive myself and how others see me—or perhaps, more accurately, how they *choose* to see me.

I find myself occasionally revisiting certain moments—looking back at how I acted or how things unfolded—with a sort of detached, almost clinical curiosity. It’s funny, I suppose, because life itself feels like one long, continuous situation that never really pauses for reflection. But I’ve come to realize that simply observing my own reactions isn't quite enough. You can't just focus on yourself in a vacuum. To truly understand what happened, you have to look at the entire context—you have to consider other people, the environment around them, and even your own place within that larger picture. It’s about seeing the whole scene, rather than just staring at your own reflection.

I wasn't actually standing by that—not even when I was originally writing it.

I don't think it can really become more defined or less defined. I mean, it just is what it is. It isn't being shaped or altered; rather, we are simply becoming more aware of it. What truly evolves is our own understanding of that self.

A deeper sense of self-knowledge, I suppose.
As for change... well, they say a wolf sheds its fur, but never its nature. I wonder why we tend to think humans are somehow different—it feels a bit pretentious to assume we can fundamentally rewrite who we are.

Based on your premise, there are two ways to look at this. First, that the "self" is a singular, relatively closed entity—a distinct unit that simply presents itself to us from different perspectives and under different lights.
The second possibility is that the "self" isn't an entity at all. Perhaps it doesn't even exist in a permanent sense; instead, a person is merely a living vessel, a temporary station through which a certain flow of vital energy, life, or spirit passes. We then interpret this movement as our "self," as personal growth, or as maturing. Once the physical body is spent, that energy simply moves on and doesn't return to that specific point. Could that be a viable alternative?

William Gonzalez3 said:
There’s this persistent sense of detachment that sometimes creeps in—this feeling of being fundamentally disconnected from everyone else around you. It’s like there’s an invisible line drawn between who I am and who everyone else seems to be. I guess it’s that internal struggle of constantly distinguishing myself from the crowd, almost as if I'm perpetually trying to make sense of the gap between my own experience and the world at large. Maybe it's just how I'm wired, but it feels like a constant effort to navigate that divide.

Once we finally let go of that sense of self—once we truly become one with something much larger than our own little lives—that’s when it becomes possible to adopt a more diffused personality. I guess you could call it a broader identity, really. It’s at that point that we might start absorbing a shared morality, a collective way of thinking, or a unified worldview... even a shared sense of responsibility for our actions and things of that nature.
To put it more simply—if I can even call it that—the concept of "self" is only possible because we possess self-awareness. But what exactly constitutes this "self"? I suppose we’re discovering it every single day, really, as it gets illuminated through various lenses depending on the situation we find ourselves in. Since life presents us with an almost infinite number of these situations, and since our "self" is revealed differently under every unique set of circumstances, I suspect we will never truly see the whole picture. We could never experience every possible moment—nor, I imagine, would we ever be able to interpret them all correctly.

silentnomad23 Asks:
I suppose I could attempt to unpack my own personality—though, if I'm being honest, it feels like trying to catch smoke with my bare hands. It’s a bit of an abstract exercise, isn't it? If I were to try and explain how I see myself, I’d say I tend to be someone who lives mostly in the quiet spaces between thoughts—perhaps a bit too much, maybe. I view myself as a deliberate observer; I like to weigh things carefully before speaking, which I realize can sometimes come across as hesitation rather than intention. I think there is a certain sincerity in my approach to life—an earnestness that drives me to look for deeper meanings in even the smallest interactions—but I also struggle with a certain level of self-consciousness. As for how others perceive me... well, that’s where things get complicated. I suspect people might see me as somewhat reserved, or perhaps even a little detached—almost as if I am perpetually lost in thought. There is likely a sense that I am cautious, or maybe even overly analytical—which, I suppose, is true. Some might find my tendency to hedge my statements a bit frustrating—I know I do—while others might see it as a sign of thoughtfulness. It is a strange thing, really—how the version of ourselves we carry internally rarely aligns perfectly with the image reflected back by the world.

Of course I can vouch for them. I’ve been watching their work for quite some time now—though, I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean I've fully grasped the true essence of their character. After all, there is often a significant gap between how I perceive myself and how others see me—or perhaps, more accurately, how they *choose* to see me.

I find myself occasionally revisiting certain moments—looking back at how I acted or how things unfolded—with a sort of detached, almost clinical curiosity. It’s funny, I suppose, because life itself feels like one long, continuous situation that never really pauses for reflection. But I’ve come to realize that simply observing my own reactions isn't quite enough. You can't just focus on yourself in a vacuum. To truly understand what happened, you have to look at the entire context—you have to consider other people, the environment around them, and even your own place within that larger picture. It’s about seeing the whole scene, rather than just staring at your own reflection.

I wasn't actually standing by that—not even when I was originally writing it.

I don't think it can really become more defined or less defined. I mean, it just is what it is. It isn't being shaped or altered; rather, we are simply becoming more aware of it. What truly evolves is our own understanding of that self.

A deeper sense of self-knowledge, I suppose.
As for change... well, they say a wolf sheds its fur, but never its nature. I wonder why we tend to think humans are somehow different—it feels a bit pretentious to assume we can fundamentally rewrite who we are.

😁 😁

William Gonzalez3 said:
There’s this persistent sense of detachment that sometimes creeps in—this feeling of being fundamentally disconnected from everyone else around you. It’s like there’s an invisible line drawn between who I am and who everyone else seems to be. I guess it’s that internal struggle of constantly distinguishing myself from the crowd, almost as if I'm perpetually trying to make sense of the gap between my own experience and the world at large. Maybe it's just how I'm wired, but it feels like a constant effort to navigate that divide.

Once we finally let go of that sense of self—once we truly become one with something much larger than our own little lives—that’s when it becomes possible to adopt a more diffused personality. I guess you could call it a broader identity, really. It’s at that point that we might start absorbing a shared morality, a collective way of thinking, or a unified worldview... even a shared sense of responsibility for our actions and things of that nature.
To put it more simply—if I can even call it that—the concept of "self" is only possible because we possess self-awareness. But what exactly constitutes this "self"? I suppose we’re discovering it every single day, really, as it gets illuminated through various lenses depending on the situation we find ourselves in. Since life presents us with an almost infinite number of these situations, and since our "self" is revealed differently under every unique set of circumstances, I suspect we will never truly see the whole picture. We could never experience every possible moment—nor, I imagine, would we ever be able to interpret them all correctly.

silentnomad23 Asks:
I suppose I could attempt to unpack my own personality—though, if I'm being honest, it feels like trying to catch smoke with my bare hands. It’s a bit of an abstract exercise, isn't it? If I were to try and explain how I see myself, I’d say I tend to be someone who lives mostly in the quiet spaces between thoughts—perhaps a bit too much, maybe. I view myself as a deliberate observer; I like to weigh things carefully before speaking, which I realize can sometimes come across as hesitation rather than intention. I think there is a certain sincerity in my approach to life—an earnestness that drives me to look for deeper meanings in even the smallest interactions—but I also struggle with a certain level of self-consciousness. As for how others perceive me... well, that’s where things get complicated. I suspect people might see me as somewhat reserved, or perhaps even a little detached—almost as if I am perpetually lost in thought. There is likely a sense that I am cautious, or maybe even overly analytical—which, I suppose, is true. Some might find my tendency to hedge my statements a bit frustrating—I know I do—while others might see it as a sign of thoughtfulness. It is a strange thing, really—how the version of ourselves we carry internally rarely aligns perfectly with the image reflected back by the world.

Of course I can vouch for them. I’ve been watching their work for quite some time now—though, I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean I've fully grasped the true essence of their character. After all, there is often a significant gap between how I perceive myself and how others see me—or perhaps, more accurately, how they *choose* to see me.

I find myself occasionally revisiting certain moments—looking back at how I acted or how things unfolded—with a sort of detached, almost clinical curiosity. It’s funny, I suppose, because life itself feels like one long, continuous situation that never really pauses for reflection. But I’ve come to realize that simply observing my own reactions isn't quite enough. You can't just focus on yourself in a vacuum. To truly understand what happened, you have to look at the entire context—you have to consider other people, the environment around them, and even your own place within that larger picture. It’s about seeing the whole scene, rather than just staring at your own reflection.

I wasn't actually standing by that—not even when I was originally writing it.

I don't think it can really become more defined or less defined. I mean, it just is what it is. It isn't being shaped or altered; rather, we are simply becoming more aware of it. What truly evolves is our own understanding of that self.

A deeper sense of self-knowledge, I suppose.
As for change... well, they say a wolf sheds its fur, but never its nature. I wonder why we tend to think humans are somehow different—it feels a bit pretentious to assume we can fundamentally rewrite who we are.

Perhaps that constancy is due to the deep-seated prejudices a person holds toward themselves, which have shaped them into someone who seemingly never changes their nature (though I couldn't speak for wolves 😁). These internal biases shape us more profoundly than we can possibly comprehend, which might explain why our core character feels so immutable. Are things like genetics and conditioning really just our own deeply rooted, ancient preconceptions? If so, through the psychological mechanism of suggestibility, those predispositions essentially fulfill their own prophecies. As each layer of bias is peeled away, the boundaries continue to shift and dissolve.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#9 ·
mistybison said:I believe that through all these shifts, a person eventually realizes that everything within them is interconnected, making it difficult to hold onto any fixed idea of who they are.

A dissolved personality? One that just lets life flow right through it?

The personality still manifests in some way, though the individual becomes increasingly aware 😬 that its shape is constantly shifting. Sometimes these changes are so subtle they seem non-existent, yet one understands that change follows its own mysterious course.

What exactly do you mean when you use the word "everything"? 🙂
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#10 ·
silentnomad23 said:What exactly do you mean when you use the word "everything"? 🙂

Everything imaginable, observable, audible, or experiential—whether it be good or bad, foolish or wise, beautiful or ugly, sincere or deceptive.
Harold Adams5 Harold Adams5 Active Member
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#11 ·
silentnomad23;8090166 said:How would you describe yourself—sing it out, essentially—and what does the concept of "me" actually mean to you?

Consciousness plus all my various life roles:
mother, career, wife, sister, daughter,
and a sexy homemaker. 😍

Can you actually feel, promote, or explain your personality? How do you see yourself, and how do you think others perceive you?

It really just depends on my mood
and which of those roles I’m currently "playing."
And how do you think others see you?

That depends entirely on their mood and whatever role they happen to see me in at the moment.
In what ways do you observe yourself?

I don't sit around observing myself or picking myself apart. 😬 I just live in the moment.
Come back in a few days and look at what you wrote. Do you still stand by it?

😍
Do you feel like your personality is dissolving or becoming more vague as you mature—or perhaps, is it becoming more defined? Maybe "change" is a better word.

Different. And honestly, better—so far.
And what does maturing or changing even mean to you?

"Every single day, in every possible way, I am moving forward." 😍 🙂
brightgardener40 brightgardener40 Member
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#12 ·
how would you describe yourselves—sing your praises... and what exactly do you mean by "the self"?

🙈 here's my take below.
how do you think others perceive you?

🙈 like this
what does maturity or change actually mean to you?

gathering as much data as possible and processing it. surviving with minimal effort expended.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
I wonder what T.S. Eliot might have offered us in verse if we had simply asked him.

Let’s take a look at 😎

SELF-PORTRAIT
I have no portrait; any painter who would attempt to create one
would have to transcend their own being
and find harmony with my soul,
which is an impossibility,
because no one truly knows who I am
and, let's be honest, neither do I.
But I feel no shame in this:
I know my own worth,
as steady as a granite rock,
and I know that I am utterly alone
in those places where no one can catch up to me,
not even a dragon... 😁
Self-Portrait: first, one must possess features
that are fixed and sparing,
an attitude for eternity and a pose for the moment;
rather than letting others probe you, spin you around,
or crucify you upon their own dilemmas....
A large part of our portrait
is comprised of our home and our attire—
and the well-groomed body
traveling in the carriage of the great world....
As for me, I am dusted with white cigarette ash
across my coat,
while I remain an eternally blurred silhouette
on the road.
Trudging along without boots,
through mud and mire,
like a wounded migratory bird—
while the smoke stings my eyes
in those dimly lit corner cafes
where a single ray of light
rarely manages to break through.
See what long periods of unemployment have made of me,
along with public misunderstanding and a life of vice—
and the constant busywork of gossip and slander.

T.S. Eliot
🍿
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#14 ·
silentnomad23 said:Based on your premise, there are two ways to look at this. First, that the "self" is a singular, relatively closed entity—a distinct unit that simply presents itself to us from different perspectives and under different lights.
The second possibility is that the "self" isn't an entity at all. Perhaps it doesn't even exist in a permanent sense; instead, a person is merely a living vessel, a temporary station through which a certain flow of vital energy, life, or spirit passes. We then interpret this movement as our "self," as personal growth, or as maturing. Once the physical body is spent, that energy simply moves on and doesn't return to that specific point. Could that be a viable alternative?

😁 😁

Perhaps that constancy is due to the deep-seated prejudices a person holds toward themselves, which have shaped them into someone who seemingly never changes their nature (though I couldn't speak for wolves 😁). These internal biases shape us more profoundly than we can possibly comprehend, which might explain why our core character feels so immutable. Are things like genetics and conditioning really just our own deeply rooted, ancient preconceptions? If so, through the psychological mechanism of suggestibility, those predispositions essentially fulfill their own prophecies. As each layer of bias is peeled away, the boundaries continue to shift and dissolve.

Exactly. It’s only when we see how that "self" reacts to various different situations—real-world pressures and shifts—that things actually start to come into focus. That’s when the "I" truly responds, and in that response, it finally reveals itself to us.
Without those kinds of triggers—those specific experiences that wake everything up—the "I" just lies there, dormant. It isn't doing anything, really; it doesn't reveal itself to anyone else, and I suppose it doesn't even reveal itself to oneself.
And then you pass away—and I suppose you're left feeling incredibly heavy with sadness.

silentnomad23 said:Based on your premise, there are two ways to look at this. First, that the "self" is a singular, relatively closed entity—a distinct unit that simply presents itself to us from different perspectives and under different lights.
The second possibility is that the "self" isn't an entity at all. Perhaps it doesn't even exist in a permanent sense; instead, a person is merely a living vessel, a temporary station through which a certain flow of vital energy, life, or spirit passes. We then interpret this movement as our "self," as personal growth, or as maturing. Once the physical body is spent, that energy simply moves on and doesn't return to that specific point. Could that be a viable alternative?

😁 😁

Perhaps that constancy is due to the deep-seated prejudices a person holds toward themselves, which have shaped them into someone who seemingly never changes their nature (though I couldn't speak for wolves 😁). These internal biases shape us more profoundly than we can possibly comprehend, which might explain why our core character feels so immutable. Are things like genetics and conditioning really just our own deeply rooted, ancient preconceptions? If so, through the psychological mechanism of suggestibility, those predispositions essentially fulfill their own prophecies. As each layer of bias is peeled away, the boundaries continue to shift and dissolve.

No, I don't think it works like that—energy doesn't just drift in and out of existence like a passing breeze. It’s always there, really. For most people, it stays dormant until a specific situation triggers it, but for certain individuals—those who are naturally more vibrant or driven—that energy is a constant presence. I suppose what sets these people apart is one specific quality: an unwavering sense of faith—whether that's a deep belief in themselves or something much greater than themselves. In my view, the stronger that faith is, the stronger the person becomes.
And that would be about it, I suppose.
I suppose everyone carries this inherent energy within them—it’s something we all possess in roughly equal measure. The real issue, I think, is that most people aren't even aware it exists. And even among those who do recognize it... well, they often have no idea what to actually do with it. It's a bit tragic, really—some end up destroying that spark by tearing themselves apart and dragging everything around them down with them. But then, there are others—the lucky ones, perhaps—who manage to channel it into something truly creative.
They’re building something of their own, I suppose—something truly unique.
They really do help foster a certain creative flow—it’s almost like they set the stage for everything else to fall into place.
No room for complaining or wallowing here—let's just move forward.
There isn't any "God, what am I going to do now."
It feels like nobody is actually giving me a fair shot—or maybe I'm just not being given the space to step up.
It’s really not that deep—there isn't much of a difference, I suppose. It’s hardly a major issue.

And that’s just how it goes—man builds pyramids.
In other words—I suppose you could say—those individuals who actually become aware of that energy end up changing the world around them.
Some people actually live their lives—truly living them. For everyone else, life just sort of happens to them, like they're part of some passive mass that can be steered in any direction one chooses. I guess it comes down to who's holding the wheel.
Take, for instance, the Soviet Union back on June 22, 1941.
image

silentnomad23 Asks:
Is conditioning—and all that related stuff—really just a collection of our own deep-seated, ancient prejudices? I sometimes wonder if we aren't just creating our own destinies through a sort of psychological feedback loop; maybe we suggest a certain outcome to ourselves via suggestibility, and then somehow manifest it as if it were genetic conditioning or fate. It seems like every time a particular prejudice finally breaks down, the boundaries shift even further—they just keep blurring.

I suppose it all comes down to how much we cling to our own biases. People who are deeply wedded to their prejudices tend to pour an incredible amount of energy into defending them—not just against the rest of the world, but mostly against themselves. They try to force reality to bend to their preconceived notions, I guess, just so they can prove to themselves that they weren't wrong all along.
On the other hand, those who don't buy into their own biases quite so readily might be able to see—or rather, experience—the world through a much wider lens. By stepping outside that one narrow viewpoint, they end up being able to present their true selves to the world much more effectively.
Living a life dictated by prejudice is, in many ways, an easier path.
It’s strange, and perhaps a bit paradoxical, but the lives of people blinded by bias are often simpler than the lives of those who actually 'see.'
There’s just less work involved.

For those stuck in that mindset, their prejudices eventually become self-fulfilling prophecies. And honestly, what can you even do about that?...
People who aren't as controlled by these biases are less prone to being mastered by them, which makes them far more capable of genuine self-discovery. Of course, that makes them look very different from the masses living in a shared bubble of prejudice. That’s probably why prejudiced people view them with such suspicion—they intuitively sense that these individuals know more than they do.
Which explains why, in totalitarian regimes, the intellectuals are always the first ones targeted.
It isn't necessarily a massive loss to society, though I suppose it is... well, it's just not right. It lacks any sense of decency.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#15 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:
Exactly. It’s only when we see how that "self" reacts to various different situations—real-world pressures and shifts—that things actually start to come into focus. That’s when the "I" truly responds, and in that response, it finally reveals itself to us.
Without those kinds of triggers—those specific experiences that wake everything up—the "I" just lies there, dormant. It isn't doing anything, really; it doesn't reveal itself to anyone else, and I suppose it doesn't even reveal itself to oneself.
And then you pass away—and I suppose you're left feeling incredibly heavy with sadness.

No, I don't think it works like that—energy doesn't just drift in and out of existence like a passing breeze. It’s always there, really. For most people, it stays dormant until a specific situation triggers it, but for certain individuals—those who are naturally more vibrant or driven—that energy is a constant presence. I suppose what sets these people apart is one specific quality: an unwavering sense of faith—whether that's a deep belief in themselves or something much greater than themselves. In my view, the stronger that faith is, the stronger the person becomes.
And that would be about it, I suppose.
I suppose everyone carries this inherent energy within them—it’s something we all possess in roughly equal measure. The real issue, I think, is that most people aren't even aware it exists. And even among those who do recognize it... well, they often have no idea what to actually do with it. It's a bit tragic, really—some end up destroying that spark by tearing themselves apart and dragging everything around them down with them. But then, there are others—the lucky ones, perhaps—who manage to channel it into something truly creative.
They’re building something of their own, I suppose—something truly unique.
They really do help foster a certain creative flow—it’s almost like they set the stage for everything else to fall into place.
No room for complaining or wallowing here—let's just move forward.
There isn't any "God, what am I going to do now."
It feels like nobody is actually giving me a fair shot—or maybe I'm just not being given the space to step up.
It’s really not that deep—there isn't much of a difference, I suppose. It’s hardly a major issue.

And that’s just how it goes—man builds pyramids.
In other words—I suppose you could say—those individuals who actually become aware of that energy end up changing the world around them.
Some people actually live their lives—truly living them. For everyone else, life just sort of happens to them, like they're part of some passive mass that can be steered in any direction one chooses. I guess it comes down to who's holding the wheel.
Take, for instance, the Soviet Union back on June 22, 1941.
image

silentnomad23 Asks:
Is conditioning—and all that related stuff—really just a collection of our own deep-seated, ancient prejudices? I sometimes wonder if we aren't just creating our own destinies through a sort of psychological feedback loop; maybe we suggest a certain outcome to ourselves via suggestibility, and then somehow manifest it as if it were genetic conditioning or fate. It seems like every time a particular prejudice finally breaks down, the boundaries shift even further—they just keep blurring.

I suppose it all comes down to how much we cling to our own biases. People who are deeply wedded to their prejudices tend to pour an incredible amount of energy into defending them—not just against the rest of the world, but mostly against themselves. They try to force reality to bend to their preconceived notions, I guess, just so they can prove to themselves that they weren't wrong all along.
On the other hand, those who don't buy into their own biases quite so readily might be able to see—or rather, experience—the world through a much wider lens. By stepping outside that one narrow viewpoint, they end up being able to present their true selves to the world much more effectively.
Living a life dictated by prejudice is, in many ways, an easier path.
It’s strange, and perhaps a bit paradoxical, but the lives of people blinded by bias are often simpler than the lives of those who actually 'see.'
There’s just less work involved.

For those stuck in that mindset, their prejudices eventually become self-fulfilling prophecies. And honestly, what can you even do about that?...
People who aren't as controlled by these biases are less prone to being mastered by them, which makes them far more capable of genuine self-discovery. Of course, that makes them look very different from the masses living in a shared bubble of prejudice. That’s probably why prejudiced people view them with such suspicion—they intuitively sense that these individuals know more than they do.
Which explains why, in totalitarian regimes, the intellectuals are always the first ones targeted.
It isn't necessarily a massive loss to society, though I suppose it is... well, it's just not right. It lacks any sense of decency.

What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

William Gonzalez3 said:
Exactly. It’s only when we see how that "self" reacts to various different situations—real-world pressures and shifts—that things actually start to come into focus. That’s when the "I" truly responds, and in that response, it finally reveals itself to us.
Without those kinds of triggers—those specific experiences that wake everything up—the "I" just lies there, dormant. It isn't doing anything, really; it doesn't reveal itself to anyone else, and I suppose it doesn't even reveal itself to oneself.
And then you pass away—and I suppose you're left feeling incredibly heavy with sadness.

No, I don't think it works like that—energy doesn't just drift in and out of existence like a passing breeze. It’s always there, really. For most people, it stays dormant until a specific situation triggers it, but for certain individuals—those who are naturally more vibrant or driven—that energy is a constant presence. I suppose what sets these people apart is one specific quality: an unwavering sense of faith—whether that's a deep belief in themselves or something much greater than themselves. In my view, the stronger that faith is, the stronger the person becomes.
And that would be about it, I suppose.
I suppose everyone carries this inherent energy within them—it’s something we all possess in roughly equal measure. The real issue, I think, is that most people aren't even aware it exists. And even among those who do recognize it... well, they often have no idea what to actually do with it. It's a bit tragic, really—some end up destroying that spark by tearing themselves apart and dragging everything around them down with them. But then, there are others—the lucky ones, perhaps—who manage to channel it into something truly creative.
They’re building something of their own, I suppose—something truly unique.
They really do help foster a certain creative flow—it’s almost like they set the stage for everything else to fall into place.
No room for complaining or wallowing here—let's just move forward.
There isn't any "God, what am I going to do now."
It feels like nobody is actually giving me a fair shot—or maybe I'm just not being given the space to step up.
It’s really not that deep—there isn't much of a difference, I suppose. It’s hardly a major issue.

And that’s just how it goes—man builds pyramids.
In other words—I suppose you could say—those individuals who actually become aware of that energy end up changing the world around them.
Some people actually live their lives—truly living them. For everyone else, life just sort of happens to them, like they're part of some passive mass that can be steered in any direction one chooses. I guess it comes down to who's holding the wheel.
Take, for instance, the Soviet Union back on June 22, 1941.
image

silentnomad23 Asks:
Is conditioning—and all that related stuff—really just a collection of our own deep-seated, ancient prejudices? I sometimes wonder if we aren't just creating our own destinies through a sort of psychological feedback loop; maybe we suggest a certain outcome to ourselves via suggestibility, and then somehow manifest it as if it were genetic conditioning or fate. It seems like every time a particular prejudice finally breaks down, the boundaries shift even further—they just keep blurring.

I suppose it all comes down to how much we cling to our own biases. People who are deeply wedded to their prejudices tend to pour an incredible amount of energy into defending them—not just against the rest of the world, but mostly against themselves. They try to force reality to bend to their preconceived notions, I guess, just so they can prove to themselves that they weren't wrong all along.
On the other hand, those who don't buy into their own biases quite so readily might be able to see—or rather, experience—the world through a much wider lens. By stepping outside that one narrow viewpoint, they end up being able to present their true selves to the world much more effectively.
Living a life dictated by prejudice is, in many ways, an easier path.
It’s strange, and perhaps a bit paradoxical, but the lives of people blinded by bias are often simpler than the lives of those who actually 'see.'
There’s just less work involved.

For those stuck in that mindset, their prejudices eventually become self-fulfilling prophecies. And honestly, what can you even do about that?...
People who aren't as controlled by these biases are less prone to being mastered by them, which makes them far more capable of genuine self-discovery. Of course, that makes them look very different from the masses living in a shared bubble of prejudice. That’s probably why prejudiced people view them with such suspicion—they intuitively sense that these individuals know more than they do.
Which explains why, in totalitarian regimes, the intellectuals are always the first ones targeted.
It isn't necessarily a massive loss to society, though I suppose it is... well, it's just not right. It lacks any sense of decency.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

William Gonzalez3 said:
Exactly. It’s only when we see how that "self" reacts to various different situations—real-world pressures and shifts—that things actually start to come into focus. That’s when the "I" truly responds, and in that response, it finally reveals itself to us.
Without those kinds of triggers—those specific experiences that wake everything up—the "I" just lies there, dormant. It isn't doing anything, really; it doesn't reveal itself to anyone else, and I suppose it doesn't even reveal itself to oneself.
And then you pass away—and I suppose you're left feeling incredibly heavy with sadness.

No, I don't think it works like that—energy doesn't just drift in and out of existence like a passing breeze. It’s always there, really. For most people, it stays dormant until a specific situation triggers it, but for certain individuals—those who are naturally more vibrant or driven—that energy is a constant presence. I suppose what sets these people apart is one specific quality: an unwavering sense of faith—whether that's a deep belief in themselves or something much greater than themselves. In my view, the stronger that faith is, the stronger the person becomes.
And that would be about it, I suppose.
I suppose everyone carries this inherent energy within them—it’s something we all possess in roughly equal measure. The real issue, I think, is that most people aren't even aware it exists. And even among those who do recognize it... well, they often have no idea what to actually do with it. It's a bit tragic, really—some end up destroying that spark by tearing themselves apart and dragging everything around them down with them. But then, there are others—the lucky ones, perhaps—who manage to channel it into something truly creative.
They’re building something of their own, I suppose—something truly unique.
They really do help foster a certain creative flow—it’s almost like they set the stage for everything else to fall into place.
No room for complaining or wallowing here—let's just move forward.
There isn't any "God, what am I going to do now."
It feels like nobody is actually giving me a fair shot—or maybe I'm just not being given the space to step up.
It’s really not that deep—there isn't much of a difference, I suppose. It’s hardly a major issue.

And that’s just how it goes—man builds pyramids.
In other words—I suppose you could say—those individuals who actually become aware of that energy end up changing the world around them.
Some people actually live their lives—truly living them. For everyone else, life just sort of happens to them, like they're part of some passive mass that can be steered in any direction one chooses. I guess it comes down to who's holding the wheel.
Take, for instance, the Soviet Union back on June 22, 1941.
image

silentnomad23 Asks:
Is conditioning—and all that related stuff—really just a collection of our own deep-seated, ancient prejudices? I sometimes wonder if we aren't just creating our own destinies through a sort of psychological feedback loop; maybe we suggest a certain outcome to ourselves via suggestibility, and then somehow manifest it as if it were genetic conditioning or fate. It seems like every time a particular prejudice finally breaks down, the boundaries shift even further—they just keep blurring.

I suppose it all comes down to how much we cling to our own biases. People who are deeply wedded to their prejudices tend to pour an incredible amount of energy into defending them—not just against the rest of the world, but mostly against themselves. They try to force reality to bend to their preconceived notions, I guess, just so they can prove to themselves that they weren't wrong all along.
On the other hand, those who don't buy into their own biases quite so readily might be able to see—or rather, experience—the world through a much wider lens. By stepping outside that one narrow viewpoint, they end up being able to present their true selves to the world much more effectively.
Living a life dictated by prejudice is, in many ways, an easier path.
It’s strange, and perhaps a bit paradoxical, but the lives of people blinded by bias are often simpler than the lives of those who actually 'see.'
There’s just less work involved.

For those stuck in that mindset, their prejudices eventually become self-fulfilling prophecies. And honestly, what can you even do about that?...
People who aren't as controlled by these biases are less prone to being mastered by them, which makes them far more capable of genuine self-discovery. Of course, that makes them look very different from the masses living in a shared bubble of prejudice. That’s probably why prejudiced people view them with such suspicion—they intuitively sense that these individuals know more than they do.
Which explains why, in totalitarian regimes, the intellectuals are always the first ones targeted.
It isn't necessarily a massive loss to society, though I suppose it is... well, it's just not right. It lacks any sense of decency.

What leads you to that particular conclusion?
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
276 messages
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#16 ·
silentnomad23 said:What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

What leads you to that particular conclusion?

Well, change. Any kind of change acts as a stimulus. Shifts in the world around us trigger internal reactions—and those shifts can be caused by anyone or anything, really. Change is real (at least, I think we have good reason to believe it is), though it’s also possible it's just something our minds conjure up.

silentnomad23 said:What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

What leads you to that particular conclusion?

Of course it could. But I suppose experience generally works to strip away those biases. In fact, I'd argue experience is the only thing that actively pushes back against all preconceptions—both regarding the world at large and ourselves. For instance, I used to hold the bias that I wasn't afraid of death anymore, mostly because I had faced it several times before. But the last time it happened, I felt that fear just as sharply as ever. So, I don't hold that bias anymore. Could I eventually reach a point where I truly am no longer afraid of death? Perhaps. But that isn't really something I’m looking to tackle right now. I'll just stop assuming that the fear won't be there.

silentnomad23 said:What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

What leads you to that particular conclusion?

We *are* energy.

silentnomad23 said:What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

What leads you to that particular conclusion?

It's common knowledge how to boost physical energy. And usually, when we raise our physical vitality, we also lift that "spiritual" energy—which, if you ask me, is really just a basic sense of self-belief.

silentnomad23 said:What exactly are these hallucinations we're talking about? I find myself wondering about their true nature—who or what is actually generating them, and where they originate from. Are they tangible, objective phenomena occurring in the world around us, or are they merely products of our own minds and perceptions?
There is a fascinating distinction between the "me" without experience and the "me" shaped by years of living. It leads me to wonder: can that version of ourselves—the one bolstered by experience—actually be a mere illusion? We often fall into the trap of believing we truly know who we are, only to realize that our self-perception might just be a collection of accumulated prejudices. We convince ourselves we possess certain fixed traits, yet in reality, we remain entirely fluid. We become so certain of our own identity that we mistake our preconceived notions for our actual essence, essentially identifying with a static image of ourselves rather than the dynamic truth of who we really are.

I understand exactly what you mean when you speak about that inner energy, but it does raise an interesting question: where does this force actually originate within us? Furthermore, are you aware of the specific ways one can augment their own vitality through conscious effort—or perhaps even through a sense of effortless flow?

What leads you to that particular conclusion?

Well, I suppose it comes down to the old prejudice that life is just easier if you aren't particularly bright. Personally—and I say this with some humility—I’m not exactly a genius, and I find my life to be relatively easy enough.
So, I guess I'm just speaking from experience.
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:
Well, change. Any kind of change acts as a stimulus. Shifts in the world around us trigger internal reactions—and those shifts can be caused by anyone or anything, really. Change is real (at least, I think we have good reason to believe it is), though it’s also possible it's just something our minds conjure up.

Of course it could. But I suppose experience generally works to strip away those biases. In fact, I'd argue experience is the only thing that actively pushes back against all preconceptions—both regarding the world at large and ourselves. For instance, I used to hold the bias that I wasn't afraid of death anymore, mostly because I had faced it several times before. But the last time it happened, I felt that fear just as sharply as ever. So, I don't hold that bias anymore. Could I eventually reach a point where I truly am no longer afraid of death? Perhaps. But that isn't really something I’m looking to tackle right now. I'll just stop assuming that the fear won't be there.

We *are* energy.

It's common knowledge how to boost physical energy. And usually, when we raise our physical vitality, we also lift that "spiritual" energy—which, if you ask me, is really just a basic sense of self-belief.

Well, I suppose it comes down to the old prejudice that life is just easier if you aren't particularly bright. Personally—and I say this with some humility—I’m not exactly a genius, and I find my life to be relatively easy enough.
So, I guess I'm just speaking from experience.

Our everyday human consciousness is simply limited to perceiving things that are finite. To a mind like ours, the concept of the timeless and the infinite is practically incomprehensible. Just try to wrap your head around the idea of a state where neither time nor space exists. What would happen to energy in such a void? If there is no physical medium to act upon, does energy even vanish? Where would it go, and what would it transform into?
I won't even get into the whole discussion regarding experience and prejudice.
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#18 ·
silentnomad23 said:Our everyday human consciousness is simply limited to perceiving things that are finite. To a mind like ours, the concept of the timeless and the infinite is practically incomprehensible. Just try to wrap your head around the idea of a state where neither time nor space exists. What would happen to energy in such a void? If there is no physical medium to act upon, does energy even vanish? Where would it go, and what would it transform into?
I won't even get into the whole discussion regarding experience and prejudice.

But this raises a question—is this mundane, day-to-day consciousness really the only kind of awareness we possess?
Isn't there some sort of way, perhaps, for us to actually perceive the infinite?
If not through something truly timeless, then maybe through something that feels incredibly, unimaginably vast.

silentnomad23 said:Our everyday human consciousness is simply limited to perceiving things that are finite. To a mind like ours, the concept of the timeless and the infinite is practically incomprehensible. Just try to wrap your head around the idea of a state where neither time nor space exists. What would happen to energy in such a void? If there is no physical medium to act upon, does energy even vanish? Where would it go, and what would it transform into?
I won't even get into the whole discussion regarding experience and prejudice.

I honestly struggle to wrap my head around the idea of time and space not existing. The only way I can even begin to conceptualize time being absent would be to imagine a space where absolutely nothing ever changes. But trying to conceive of time without any sense of space... well, that doesn't quite work for me.
And to imagine a world without either one? What would even be left to think about?
The inevitable answer seems to be that I would be thinking of nothing at all.
But then again, you can't really "think" about nothingness—you can only, supposedly, experience it.
As for energy existing outside of space and time—assuming such a thing is even possible—it feels to me like it would just cease to be. Space seems like a necessary prerequisite for its existence. At least, that’s how I see it.
Anyway, I think we've drifted a bit from the self-portrait. What else would you like me to paint for you?
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#19 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:
But this raises a question—is this mundane, day-to-day consciousness really the only kind of awareness we possess?
Isn't there some sort of way, perhaps, for us to actually perceive the infinite?
If not through something truly timeless, then maybe through something that feels incredibly, unimaginably vast.

I honestly struggle to wrap my head around the idea of time and space not existing. The only way I can even begin to conceptualize time being absent would be to imagine a space where absolutely nothing ever changes. But trying to conceive of time without any sense of space... well, that doesn't quite work for me.
And to imagine a world without either one? What would even be left to think about?
The inevitable answer seems to be that I would be thinking of nothing at all.
But then again, you can't really "think" about nothingness—you can only, supposedly, experience it.
As for energy existing outside of space and time—assuming such a thing is even possible—it feels to me like it would just cease to be. Space seems like a necessary prerequisite for its existence. At least, that’s how I see it.
Anyway, I think we've drifted a bit from the self-portrait. What else would you like me to paint for you?

Of course it isn't. Once you fall asleep, you aren't operating within that "same" consciousness anymore. Besides, there are plenty of other ways to step outside of our daily awareness, or even to transcend our own physical bodies entirely.

William Gonzalez3 said:
But this raises a question—is this mundane, day-to-day consciousness really the only kind of awareness we possess?
Isn't there some sort of way, perhaps, for us to actually perceive the infinite?
If not through something truly timeless, then maybe through something that feels incredibly, unimaginably vast.

I honestly struggle to wrap my head around the idea of time and space not existing. The only way I can even begin to conceptualize time being absent would be to imagine a space where absolutely nothing ever changes. But trying to conceive of time without any sense of space... well, that doesn't quite work for me.
And to imagine a world without either one? What would even be left to think about?
The inevitable answer seems to be that I would be thinking of nothing at all.
But then again, you can't really "think" about nothingness—you can only, supposedly, experience it.
As for energy existing outside of space and time—assuming such a thing is even possible—it feels to me like it would just cease to be. Space seems like a necessary prerequisite for its existence. At least, that’s how I see it.
Anyway, I think we've drifted a bit from the self-portrait. What else would you like me to paint for you?

!!!!!!!!!

It can.

William Gonzalez3 said:
But this raises a question—is this mundane, day-to-day consciousness really the only kind of awareness we possess?
Isn't there some sort of way, perhaps, for us to actually perceive the infinite?
If not through something truly timeless, then maybe through something that feels incredibly, unimaginably vast.

I honestly struggle to wrap my head around the idea of time and space not existing. The only way I can even begin to conceptualize time being absent would be to imagine a space where absolutely nothing ever changes. But trying to conceive of time without any sense of space... well, that doesn't quite work for me.
And to imagine a world without either one? What would even be left to think about?
The inevitable answer seems to be that I would be thinking of nothing at all.
But then again, you can't really "think" about nothingness—you can only, supposedly, experience it.
As for energy existing outside of space and time—assuming such a thing is even possible—it feels to me like it would just cease to be. Space seems like a necessary prerequisite for its existence. At least, that’s how I see it.
Anyway, I think we've drifted a bit from the self-portrait. What else would you like me to paint for you?

Well, since you're being so inquisitive, what's your shoe size? 😳 😁

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