Serial Killers: Q&A...

wearyowl29 said:I was just scrolling through the news this morning and read about this absolute monster—some guy who slaughtered around 60 sex workers, and some people are even saying he might have ground them up into sausages. It’s gruesome stuff. It really got me thinking about why, by almost universal rule, serial killers are men and their victims are women, most often those working in the nightlife industry.

Where does all that deep-seated, pathological hatred toward women come from? Why do they feel driven to go on these relentless killing sprees...?

And honestly, why don't we see more female serial killers out there? Why does it always seem like they're the ones being targeted instead of the ones doing the targeting...?

How do you all make sense of this???😕

rustyfalcon52;7186029 said:

Your question actually sent me down a total rabbit hole online! It turns out women tend to be much more subtle about it—very quiet. You know, there are so many cases where they commit murders in hospitals, places where death is just part of the daily routine.

Are you talking about those "Angels of Mercy"?

What really blew my mind was finding out that most of these female killers targeted people they actually knew.😲 Take Vera Renczi, for example (38 victims, all people she had a connection to). Some studies even categorize female killers into types, like Black Widows, Angels of Death (those who work in hospitals), or Avenging Angels, and so on.

Exactly. Based on that, women usually kill people they have a relationship with, whereas men go after random strangers.
So, does that mean women descend into murder through some specific emotional breakdown, while men just lose control of their primal instincts—only to deal with the emotional fallout later???

It’s also fascinating that money is the most common motive, and poisoning is the go-to method.

When money is the driver, there isn't really that "passion" involved, right? (😕 I suppose!) It’s pure greed. Though, I guess even greed for cash can turn into a passion in a heartbeat!😛
And poisoning? That’s such a clean way to do it—no blood, no mess. Even Agatha Christie knew her stuff there; she worked as a nurse during the first light, so she probably got quite familiar with all those nasty cyanides and other poisons.

Who knows how many female killers are out there? They just do it so subtly that they never get caught.😕

I remember seeing this documentary about a group of women from a small town—it was a true story. Their husbands would just slowly start disappearing, ending up in graveyards, while the women cheerfully cleaned them out just to get their Social Security checks or whatever!

As for the rest of your questions, I need to chew on that for a bit.

Alright then, catch you later!

Nicole James said:I suspect this all stems from the fundamentally unnatural way our society approaches sexuality.

rustyfalcon52;7186969 said:

Sex workers are often easier targets and more anonymous... anonymous in the sense that if one doesn't show up for work for a week, nobody really goes looking for her.

Exactly! And they’re usually the easiest ones for men to direct their hatred toward—it’s always just women being categorized as either "saints or sinners."

If you weren't around for even a week, they'd probably raise hell and turn the whole city upside down.

True,

With night workers, people most often complain that they didn't even realize she was gone until they found her dead.

Sadly,

Why are women the primary victims???

It's because women are treated as objects, whether someone is seeking revenge, acting out of hate... or pure contempt for what they do. It all stems from things that mirror a man's resentment toward his mother because he had such a weak father... it's that classic patriarchal killer profile.😲

To start with, physical build alone suggests that a man will find it much easier to overpower a woman than vice versa (at least in 90% of cases). It's a raw demonstration of force.

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wearyowl29 said:I was just scrolling through the news this morning and read about this absolute monster—some guy who slaughtered around 60 sex workers, and some people are even saying he might have ground them up into sausages. It’s gruesome stuff. It really got me thinking about why, by almost universal rule, serial killers are men and their victims are women, most often those working in the nightlife industry.

Where does all that deep-seated, pathological hatred toward women come from? Why do they feel driven to go on these relentless killing sprees...?

And honestly, why don't we see more female serial killers out there? Why does it always seem like they're the ones being targeted instead of the ones doing the targeting...?

How do you all make sense of this???😕

Sean Hernandez5 said:I think we really need to establish a clear definition for what constitutes a serial killer first.
How many victims does someone actually need to claim that title?

To me, it just feels like a trendy label used for anyone committing multiple similar crimes.
So, theoretically, if someone kills two people with some time in between, they’re already a serial killer, right?
If that's the case, there are way too many of them. Most of the examples mentioned here seem to fall outside that typical pattern (🤣) which is why they're actually interesting.
We also have to keep in mind that the recidivism rate in the USA is around 80%—though I don't know how many of those are specifically murderers.
The point is, there are probably more serial killers than people realize. The idea that they're all just monsters hunting specific groups of people is mostly a creation of crime novelists, and I don't think it reflects reality very well.

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Sean Hernandez5 said:I think we really need to establish a clear definition for what constitutes a serial killer first.
How many victims does someone actually need to claim that title?

To me, it just feels like a trendy label used for anyone committing multiple similar crimes.
So, theoretically, if someone kills two people with some time in between, they’re already a serial killer, right?
If that's the case, there are way too many of them. Most of the examples mentioned here seem to fall outside that typical pattern (🤣) which is why they're actually interesting.
We also have to keep in mind that the recidivism rate in the USA is around 80%—though I don't know how many of those are specifically murderers.
The point is, there are probably more serial killers than people realize. The idea that they're all just monsters hunting specific groups of people is mostly a creation of crime novelists, and I don't think it reflects reality very well.

🙂

shadowowl9;7203458 said:

Serial killers are almost always men carrying heavy childhood trauma—mostly kids who were abused or totally abandoned by their parents (and then victimized by others too).

There’s probably a lot of truth to that, but it’s not like every kid who goes through hell automatically turns into a killer. There has to be some kind of mental "click" triggered by those traumas and other circumstances. It’s really a complex cocktail of different factors that causes someone's personality to shift in that direction.

An excess of male hormones during puberty (and later on), combined with a psychological breakdown, leads these types toward heightened aggression and a thirst for revenge. It’s often a mother complex—(and could be a father complex too, though less common)—where they project all that onto women who behave similarly or even just seem to.

Excess hormones?
Well, I suppose that’s one factor that can influence the development of such twisted ideas.
But honestly, you can vent excess hormones through sports or any other activity without it turning into something murderous. Sure, unchanneled aggression screams to be let out, but most people can keep it under wraps without resorting to killing.

It’s precisely because women lack those "aggressive" hormones that they generally don't go on vendettas in these cases—though that doesn't mean they don't hate certain people just as intensely as their male counterparts. Still, there are exceptions among women (which prove the rule), and they eventually become serial killers too.

Women can be just as aggressive as men; we saw plenty of that in the concentration camps during the war. Aggression manifests in so many ways beyond just murder.
Serial killers are usually planners, whereas classic suppressed aggression tends to result in more spontaneous outbursts.
Plus, aggression is used as a method for committing the crime, while planning has to be meticulous. It’s rarely random or impulsive because if it is, you get caught fast! If someone just reacts aggressively and kills right away, they wouldn't stay free for long.
Purely venting aggression doesn't involve planning. That happens in the heat of the moment, like an episode... our news is full of headlines like "Man kills wife and neighbor with an axe after losing his temper."

rustyfalcon52;7206936 said:

I'm guessing for a serial killer, the whole thing is just one big ritual. They stalk, they plan, they strike... all part of the routine.

That ritual is essentially their personal signature! By reliving those exact steps over and over, they're feeding some deep-seated, twisted psychological need. It’s almost like a compulsion. I’ve read enough true crime to know they often snatch a "souvenir" from the victim, which then turns into a total fetish for them. And sure, the ritual *has* to be repeated—that's why we get a series in the first place. They have to maintain that internal loop of satisfaction to keep going.

I'm right there with you, Nemruth Dag. This isn't some random act of violence. The only thing that might seem accidental is how they pick a victim—they might choose Person X over Person Y based on specific traits, like eye color, but the motive isn't random at all.

There is always a consistent pattern being followed by these monsters, even if there are slight deviations here and there.
It’s actually pretty wild how many copycats out there exist! They view these killers as idols and try their hardest to mimic the exact same patterns.

wearyowl29;7206308 said:

shadowowl9 said:Serial killers are typically men carrying around heavy childhood trauma—most were abused or abandoned by their parents (or victimized by others).
A surge of male hormones during puberty, combined with a fractured psyche, fuels an intense aggression and a thirst for vengeance. They develop a "mother complex"—it could be the father too, though that's less common—where they project their issues onto any woman who fits a certain mold, often targeting sex workers.
Women generally lack that specific hormonal "aggression" drive, so they don't embark on these types of retaliatory crusades. That doesn't mean they don't harbor just as much hatred for certain individuals as men do. But even among women, there are exceptions to the rule, which ultimately proves it: occasionally, they become serial killers too.

Talking to you is a complete 👎 . I honestly can't tell if you're arguing with me, agreeing with me, ignoring me, or what. 😕 You clearly have communication issues, and frankly, so do I when dealing with you.

shadowowl9;7209796 said:

wearyowl29 said:Talking to you is just pure 👎. I honestly can't tell if you're pushing back, agreeing, ignoring me, or just doing... whatever else that was regarding my point. 😕 You've got a real communication hurdle here, and frankly, I'm struggling to keep up with you too!

I'm genuinely stumped as to what in my post could have possibly offended you.😕