Smith Sr. - 2.75 BAC

Even after his son, Harvey (24), ended up behind bars because he caused a fatal accident with a blood alcohol level of 2.45%—killing Rose Pavic (19)—Jerry Zuzic was out there driving with a staggering 2.75%.

The police actually pulled Jerry Zuzic over twice. The first time they caught him, he just flat-out refused the breathalyzer, so the cops disqualified his license and banned him from driving. But apparently, that didn't bother Jerry much; he just calmly got back in his car and kept driving despite the ban, according to reports from the LA Times.

A few hours later, near Broadway, the police caught up with him again, and this time he was hauled off to the local holding Unit.

Word is that on May 30th of this year, the Los Angeles Municipal Court issued a non-binding ruling fining Jerry Zuzic $2333 and handing him a six-month driving ban.

I guess this old alcoholic just can't seem to cut back, even after that whole tragedy...🙂

Bryan Nelson352 said:Even after his son, Harvey (24), ended up behind bars because he caused a fatal accident with a blood alcohol level of 2.45%—killing Rose Pavic (19)—Jerry Zuzic was out there driving with a staggering 2.75%.

The police actually pulled Jerry Zuzic over twice. The first time they caught him, he just flat-out refused the breathalyzer, so the cops disqualified his license and banned him from driving. But apparently, that didn't bother Jerry much; he just calmly got back in his car and kept driving despite the ban, according to reports from the LA Times.

A few hours later, near Broadway, the police caught up with him again, and this time he was hauled off to the local holding Unit.

Word is that on May 30th of this year, the Los Angeles Municipal Court issued a non-binding ruling fining Jerry Zuzic $2333 and handing him a six-month driving ban.

I guess this old alcoholic just can't seem to cut back, even after that whole tragedy...🙂

And what tragedy are we even talking about here?
The actual tragedy was for the young couple and their families. For the Smiths, it was nothing more than a minor inconvenience—one they "don't see any reason to dwell on."

So, there you have it regarding that man. 🙄

And how exactly does any of this have anything to do with politics?

driftingdriver said:And how exactly does any of this have anything to do with politics?

Maybe just the fact that we're talking about a buddy and a protégé of the guy currently holding the highest office in America?

DUI penalties are always a joke—seriously... if it were me, I’d pull their license for life for a $2.75 offense. Throw in mandatory rehab and a fine so massive they’re paying the government back for five years straight just to cover what they'd normally spend on booze...
I mean, who can even blame the kid when he's got such a stellar role model to look up to?

driftingdriver said:And how exactly does any of this have anything to do with politics?

It actually has quite a bit to do with it... that big-shot guy is a close personal friend of the President and a business partner of his son-in-law.

Like father, like son...

And honestly, it’s got everything to do with politics.
Do you really think they’d act this way if they didn't have such massive political backing behind them?

We need to start hitting people with fines based on what they actually make, like they do in Finland. Their top athlete got slapped with a 19 miles speeding ticket in the
$250,000...

lonecrane42 said:We need to start hitting people with fines based on what they actually make, like they do in Finland. Their top athlete got slapped with a 19 miles speeding ticket in the
$250,000...

It’s a lost cause here.
All our elite athletes are basically living paycheck to paycheck, though honestly, that applies to pretty much everyone. I really wonder what kind of income someone like John Doe actually reports.
Like, do they even pay taxes in Monaco? Or maybe somewhere like Papua New Guinea?

So, look, I mean, it’s pretty much what I said back when that guy’s son killed that girl: you’ve gotta hold the parents accountable too, maybe even more harshly than the kid himself. I guess it’s clear now who gave that boy the idea that driving a car totally wasted and drunk is just fine. And honestly, why is this even being discussed on the politics board? Maybe it’s because in this country, kids like him get let out of prison just because they suddenly have "health issues." It's just wrong! I mean, how are we ever supposed to fix things in society if we keep failing at these kinds of "little" things.

briskbison55 said:So, look, I mean, it’s pretty much what I said back when that guy’s son killed that girl: you’ve gotta hold the parents accountable too, maybe even more harshly than the kid himself. I guess it’s clear now who gave that boy the idea that driving a car totally wasted and drunk is just fine. And honestly, why is this even being discussed on the politics board? Maybe it’s because in this country, kids like him get let out of prison just because they suddenly have "health issues." It's just wrong! I mean, how are we ever supposed to fix things in society if we keep failing at these kinds of "little" things.

You can't really punish the parents once the kid is an adult...

But the fact that they raised him that way? That's a whole different mess entirely...

I mean, there’s so much you can’t fix, but man, wouldn't it be something? You'd just buy this guy a beat-up old Ford, maybe park it by a river somewhere, and just... instill a deep, soulful love for a good drink in him. Like, sit him down and say, "Hey, don't sweat the small stuff, Dad's got everything under control, just relax and enjoy the moment."

It isn't some unsolvable mystery, I guess. Maybe if the state just raised him in a federal penitentiary, he'd learn enough not to go killing anyone else.

briskbison55 said:I mean, there’s so much you can’t fix, but man, wouldn't it be something? You'd just buy this guy a beat-up old Ford, maybe park it by a river somewhere, and just... instill a deep, soulful love for a good drink in him. Like, sit him down and say, "Hey, don't sweat the small stuff, Dad's got everything under control, just relax and enjoy the moment."

It isn't some unsolvable mystery, I guess. Maybe if the state just raised him in a federal penitentiary, he'd learn enough not to go killing anyone else.

I was talking about parenting here, not what the government does...

Then there's that whole situation back in Santa Monica a few years ago... honestly, the old man should have laid into him so hard he'd still be wondering what hit him today.

We’re about to get a front-row seat to watching everyone scramble to find the loopholes in this legislation just to dodge penalties... To be honest, I have my doubts that they’ll actually pull his license, especially given how inconsistently the law is enforced in practice here.

p.s. I truly hope I’m wrong about this.

I mean, when parents let things get this out of hand and a kid commits a crime like this... I guess the government really needs to step in and hold everyone involved accountable. Especially that mother—you know, the judge who was acting all high and mighty in front of the news cameras, lecturing everyone about how unfair it was to her son, even though he’s just some drunk murderer.

And honestly, that idiot is a whole other story. Maybe that kid shouldn't even be seeing the light of day anymore, if you ask me. And the father? He might as well just get it tattooed on his forehead: "My son is a total moron and I'm a proud dad."

There won't be any justice until the families of these thugs organize their own neighborhood watch and take matters into their own hands. Our legal system and local police have absolutely zero credibility left.

briskbison55 said:I mean, when parents let things get this out of hand and a kid commits a crime like this... I guess the government really needs to step in and hold everyone involved accountable. Especially that mother—you know, the judge who was acting all high and mighty in front of the news cameras, lecturing everyone about how unfair it was to her son, even though he’s just some drunk murderer.

And honestly, that idiot is a whole other story. Maybe that kid shouldn't even be seeing the light of day anymore, if you ask me. And the father? He might as well just get it tattooed on his forehead: "My son is a total moron and I'm a proud dad."

But based on what, exactly, are you going to punish them?

By that logic, we should be throwing the parents of murderers, rapists, and predators behind bars too...

It basically turns into a world where no individual can ever truly take responsibility for their own actions...

And where do you draw the line on responsibility?

If John Doe Jr. has a grandfather, do we need to throw him in jail as well?

Adam Collins4 said:But based on what, exactly, are you going to punish them?

By that logic, we should be throwing the parents of murderers, rapists, and predators behind bars too...

It basically turns into a world where no individual can ever truly take responsibility for their own actions...

And where do you draw the line on responsibility?

If John Doe Jr. has a grandfather, do we need to throw him in jail as well?

I mean, honestly, when you mix a car with alcohol, it basically turns into a weapon. It’s like... someone went out and bought a high-performance beast for someone who clearly can't keep their cool, and now we're all seeing the fallout. Now that it's obvious this person enjoys drinking and driving, I guess there's really no more doubt about where they picked up those dangerous habits. It's just tragic, really.

It almost feels like... I don't know, maybe it’s just me, but it practically seems like an individual can never truly take full responsibility for everything. It's like, you try, right? You really do. But then there are all these layers and systems and things moving around you that you just can't control. I guess it's just one of those things where you realize how small you are in the grand scheme of things. Maybe we like to think we're in the driver's seat, but honestly, most of the time, it feels like we're just passengers. It's complicated. Really complicated.

It’s just... I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking this, but it feels like his family isn't exactly letting him face the music. Instead of letting him take responsibility for what happened, they're actually trying to get him out of jail by bringing up his health issues. They're saying his health is in really bad shape, which is a major factor now. I guess they think that's enough to change things, but I don't know. It just seems like they're trying to pull him out of the situation entirely rather than letting him deal with the consequences.

So, I mean... where does the responsibility actually end? Like, where do you draw that line? I guess it's one of those things that sounds simple until you really start chewing on it, you know? Maybe there isn't a clear cutoff point at all. It’s just this blurry, shifting thing. I don't know, I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately, and honestly, it's kind of overwhelming how much weight we try to carry. It feels like we're constantly trying to own everything, but there has to be a limit somewhere, right? Or maybe there isn't. I'm not sure.

So, I was thinking... if John Doe Jr. actually has a grandfather, does that mean he should be punished too? I don't know, maybe? It’s a weird thought, I guess. Like, does the blame just sort of... spread out? I'm not really sure how that works legally or anything, but it's an interesting thing to wonder about, I suppose.

Look, let's not get carried away here. I know we don't really live in a world where people actually bother to dig into the deeper reasons behind why things happen, you know? It's just... anyway, I'm just sharing my two cents. I guess I'm just stating my opinion and, well, what I would probably do if I were actually in a situation like this.

briskbison55 said:I mean, honestly, when you mix a car with alcohol, it basically turns into a weapon. It’s like... someone went out and bought a high-performance beast for someone who clearly can't keep their cool, and now we're all seeing the fallout. Now that it's obvious this person enjoys drinking and driving, I guess there's really no more doubt about where they picked up those dangerous habits. It's just tragic, really.

It almost feels like... I don't know, maybe it’s just me, but it practically seems like an individual can never truly take full responsibility for everything. It's like, you try, right? You really do. But then there are all these layers and systems and things moving around you that you just can't control. I guess it's just one of those things where you realize how small you are in the grand scheme of things. Maybe we like to think we're in the driver's seat, but honestly, most of the time, it feels like we're just passengers. It's complicated. Really complicated.

It’s just... I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking this, but it feels like his family isn't exactly letting him face the music. Instead of letting him take responsibility for what happened, they're actually trying to get him out of jail by bringing up his health issues. They're saying his health is in really bad shape, which is a major factor now. I guess they think that's enough to change things, but I don't know. It just seems like they're trying to pull him out of the situation entirely rather than letting him deal with the consequences.

So, I mean... where does the responsibility actually end? Like, where do you draw that line? I guess it's one of those things that sounds simple until you really start chewing on it, you know? Maybe there isn't a clear cutoff point at all. It’s just this blurry, shifting thing. I don't know, I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately, and honestly, it's kind of overwhelming how much weight we try to carry. It feels like we're constantly trying to own everything, but there has to be a limit somewhere, right? Or maybe there isn't. I'm not sure.

So, I was thinking... if John Doe Jr. actually has a grandfather, does that mean he should be punished too? I don't know, maybe? It’s a weird thought, I guess. Like, does the blame just sort of... spread out? I'm not really sure how that works legally or anything, but it's an interesting thing to wonder about, I suppose.

Look, let's not get carried away here. I know we don't really live in a world where people actually bother to dig into the deeper reasons behind why things happen, you know? It's just... anyway, I'm just sharing my two cents. I guess I'm just stating my opinion and, well, what I would probably do if I were actually in a situation like this.

I'm not exaggerating; I'm just asking you where the line for responsibility actually sits... because even John Doe had a father to answer to.

As far as the law goes, if his health is truly compromised, he might be eligible for an 18-month release, if I remember correctly... though that doesn't actually count toward his sentence.

It all really comes down to whatever games the doctors play when deciding who qualifies as "sick."

It wasn't some dad buying his kid a fast car; this guy actually put in the work, earned every cent himself, and then just handed it over to his lazy son as a gift... I guess he just wanted the kid to have something to smile about.

If he gets out and things go south, he might end up back behind bars. It’s those nasty medical issues on paper—you know, the ones that aren't really "illnesses" per se, but once you're flagged with them, they stay on your record forever and never truly clear.