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Something's not right with my brother

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neonhawk25 neonhawk25 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
I wasn't entirely sure whether to post this under Psychology or Health; perhaps a moderator could move it if necessary, though I suspect I might receive more serious responses here.

How should I even begin... essentially, I have a nagging feeling that my brother is unwell, and I am at a loss as to how to help him. We have lived in the same house since our parents handed over the deed, though we occupy different floors. I am in my late twenties and was in a long-term relationship until recently. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately?), it turned out we weren't right for one another, and we parted ways as friends. What is truly troubling me is that ever since my breakup, my younger brother—by several years—has somehow started... making advances toward me. I realize how absurd that sounds, but there might be a rationale: when we were children, we experimented sexually (at my suggestion), and it was an intriguing experience. It lasted only about a week, and we never progressed to actual intercourse because I didn't want to; it was merely kissing and caressing. I know some might find that repulsive, but I have read that it isn't as uncommon as one might think. Therefore, I am less ashamed of it than I once was, and I ask that you please spare me the judgment and the stares. Ultimately, that chapter is closed. The problem is that while I have moved past that adolescent curiosity, my brother clearly hasn't. He still operates under the delusion that I am sexually interested in him, which is pure nonsense, and I have already attempted to clarify this several times when he becomes suggestive. To be clear, he would never lay a hand on me without my consent, and I don't feel physically threatened because I know he loves and respects me, but I worry that this behavior isn't normal for a man his age. I’ve tried to rationalize it—perhaps because he hasn't had a girlfriend in a while (which is odd, as he isn't unattractive) or because he has a slightly arrogant streak and enjoys defying social norms—but acting this way at twenty-four is simply too much. I genuinely fear this isn't just another instance of him being provocative or foolish, but rather the tip of a much larger iceberg. My greatest fear is that this could be the onset of some form of psychosis, especially since it feels like a detachment from reality, and we actually have a history of schizophrenia in our family. Is it possible for it to start this way? I know he’s been under immense stress lately finishing up his degree at university, and perhaps that is a factor, but isn't everyone stressed? In truth, it isn't my place to diagnose the cause. I simply no longer know how to behave around him or how to assist him. When we talk, he seems perfectly normal and I enjoy his company, but then suddenly these advances occur, and I realize something is fundamentally wrong. Again, I must emphasize: he is never aggressive; on the contrary, he is quite gentle and considerate. However, the very notion of incest strikes me as a complete failure of logic and reasoning. He is far too intelligent for such things; if I didn't know him, I would assume he was merely a deviant or a fool, but this is uncharacteristic for him, and that is what terrifies me. I don't know how to explain to him that what is happening in his mind is not normal and that he needs to see a psychologist. If I am direct, I know he won't listen, because he shows absolutely no outward sign of having "lost it," and aside from this, I have no other evidence. Knowing him, he will simply claim he was joking or that I am overreacting. The worst part is that I feel responsible for his state given that I initiated our childhood experimentation, and I wonder if our parents' presence was the only thing preventing these desires from surfacing all these years. I read somewhere that men go through a sort of delayed puberty, and perhaps that experience left a deeper mark on him than it did on me? On the other hand, I know how cunning he can be, and perhaps he is playing on my sense of guilt to get me to relent, which will never happen. It even crossed my mind that he might be trying to drive me out of the house this way, though I dismissed that after asking him a few pointed questions. And I don't believe he is that devious, though he does occasionally toy with people's emotions. I wouldn't want to involve my parents yet as the situation is incredibly awkward, and I would have to disclose our childhood experimentation, which would be deeply difficult. So, how does one persuade a mentally ill person to seek help? Is he actually ill? If anyone has had a similar experience or has any insight, I would truly value your perspective and advice, as this is weighing heavily on me. Thank you in advance.

P.S. I typed this out in a bit of a rush, so please forgive me if it feels slightly disjointed—that's pretty much how my head feels right now.
Jeremy Flores2 Jeremy Flores2 Member
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#2 ·
I’d say there might be something slightly off with you—your brother is perfectly fine, isn't he? Besides, this whole argument feels incredibly familiar to me... it's almost uncanny.
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#3 ·
Hello there.
If you are genuinely concerned and if there is actually some substance to your worries, then this forum definitely isn't the right place to hunt for advice. We all tend to act like armchair psychologists here—it’s almost an American pastime, isn't it? Everyone thinks they have the answer to everything. You might even run into students or people with psychology degrees on a board like this, but if there is a legitimate issue at hand, it would be much wiser to seek out professional help first.
My suggestion is to go see a therapist on your own first and lay out the situation. Only after that will you know if the issue requires a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a neuropsychologist, or if it's nothing at all. Once you have those professional insights, you can then involve your brother. This means that based on the conclusions and information gathered from a qualified expert, you can sit down with him and make a joint decision about how to proceed.
As for your parents, I would leave them out of this for now. Bringing them in could unnecessarily complicate things and potentially damage your relationships, especially since your brother is far too old to be forced into anything by his parents.
You need to play this very strategically, as there is a lot at stake here.
Best regards.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#4 ·
I don't even know where to start. I honestly thought it was just some kind of joke, but I recently found out about this guy I know—he’s living with his sister. He's never actually had a girlfriend, and when he finally met someone he liked, he ended up cutting her off. To be honest, he isn't much to look at, and I wondered why he'd pass up a chance to date anyone, but it turns out he's basically cohabitating with his sister like they're a married couple. If you were in a similar spot with your brother, you'd probably try to set him up with someone, right? You'd grab some friends, throw a party, invite a crowd of girls and their friends just to get him out there. 🙄 It feels pretty twisted to me; if he ever hit a dry spell, he'd probably go after anything that moves, flies, or crawls.
neonhawk25 neonhawk25 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
I have calmed down slightly. I couldn't sleep a wink last night, and this entire thread is essentially the byproduct of that insomnia. Susan James42, I believe you are entirely correct, and it is something I have been reflecting on quite a bit. My only hesitation regarding leaving is that I would find myself having to recount the exact same details to a psychologist as I do to my parents. It is all rather heavy, regardless of how much I have matured. Nevertheless, I shall have to force myself to schedule an appointment next week to discuss this properly. And frankly, I shouldn't have expected much support here on the forum; most people likely view this as some sort of tasteless joke. However, I was truly desperate and felt trapped in an invisible cage. This is not the sort of thing I can discuss with my girlfriends or anyone I actually know.

jadetinker85, I fear these situations occur far more frequently than the public realizes. Even I wouldn't have believed it if it weren't happening to me. Regarding the idea of finding a boyfriend, I don't think it would actually help. He isn't lacking female attention—he has plenty of female friends, some of whom clearly want more than just friendship—but he seems indifferent to them. I genuinely cannot fathom why he has this fixation on me; it leads me to believe there is something fundamentally wrong with him. If this were a case involving some obnoxious stranger, I might understand, but this makes very little sense.

I am acutely aware that if I were in a relationship, he would likely leave me alone and abandon the idea. However, this creates a certain pressure to enter a relationship out of fear of my brother rather than any genuine desire. Perhaps I should weigh that option seriously, though I harbor doubts that a psychologist will be able to provide a solution. The problem is that he simply refuses to listen to anyone once he has set his mind on something. I suspect he might even agree to move out, only to play the innocent victim once he arrives. His approach is incredibly calculated; it is difficult to definitively label it as "flirting." For instance, he recently showed up at my door with roses. When I questioned his intentions, he merely suggested that I looked lonely following a breakup and that he wanted to lift my spirits. On another occasion, he prepared a full romantic dinner—candles, wine, the whole works—as if we were dating, yet he never made a further move. There are mornings when he brings me breakfast in bed, among other things. He performs all of this so subtly and ambiguously that if I were to describe it to someone else, they would likely wonder if I were losing my mind or imagining things. It is quite difficult to prove my suspicions when everything is conveyed through mere gestures, touches, and glances...

Ultimately, I hope a professional will believe me over him. If not, I may be forced to find a boyfriend, even if it is just a temporary arrangement.

Thank you all for your responses.
Gary Nguyen45 Gary Nguyen45 Member
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#6 ·
neonhawk25 said:I wasn't quite sure if this belonged in Psychology or Health—moderators, feel free to move it if necessary—but I figured I’d get more substantial answers here.

My biggest fear is that this might be the onset of psychosis, especially since it feels like a loss of touch with reality, and we actually have a history of schizophrenia in our family. Is it possible for things to start this way? I know they've been under immense stress lately finishing up their degree at university, which might be a factor, but isn't everyone dealing with that right now? And

Since you brought up psychosis, I'm curious if there's any other reason you're leaning toward that diagnosis besides the unusual behavior toward you and the family medical history. I'm not talking about hallucinations or anything extreme, but rather subtler indicators like:

- social withdrawal/avoiding friends (you mentioned they aren't interested in dating, but how are they with their friends?)
- a general lack of interest in people or social settings
- sleep disturbances—including oversleeping
- issues with concentration or memory
- social awkwardness—misreading body language, which can make them come across as cold or indifferent

Regardless, I completely agree with the previous point: a visit to a psychiatrist is necessary.
neonhawk25 neonhawk25 NewcomerOP
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#7 ·
Gary Nguyen45 said:Since you brought up psychosis, I’m curious if there’s any other reason you'd lean that way beyond his behavior toward you and his family history. I'm not talking about hallucinations, but rather more subtle shifts, such as:

- Social withdrawal (you mentioned he isn't interested in women, but what about his friends?)
- A general lack of interest in people or social settings
- Sleep disturbances—specifically oversleeping
- Issues with focus or memory
- Social awkwardness—misreading body language, which might make him come off as cold or detached

That said, I completely agree with the previous point regarding the necessity of seeing a psychiatrist.

I have noticed that he hasn't been going out much lately and isn't socializing with friends as often, though I suspect it might just be the heavy workload at his university. He doesn't seem to have lost his desire for company; at least, he hasn't expressed it or acted that way. As for his sleep, I really can't say. Between my work schedule and our routine, I only see him a few times a day, usually in the evenings. I haven't heard anything about him being awake during the night, though I could be mistaken. Everything else appears perfectly normal; he isn't showing signs of exhaustion, poor concentration, or memory lapses. Even when we have guests over, he acts like his usual self. Honestly, I'm quite perplexed because everything seems fine aside from this one issue.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#8 ·
"Women are like fire, and men are like butter. It’s simply unwise for a man to spend too much time around women—not even his own daughters..." (or something along those lines, if I recall correctly)
-Bhagavat puran -

😂 😁
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#9 ·
How old was he when you guys started experimenting?
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#10 ·
Let him know you won't stand for that kind of behavior.
Gary Nguyen45 Gary Nguyen45 Member
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#11 ·
neonhawk25 said:I have noticed he hasn't been heading out much lately or hanging out with friends as often, though I suspect his heavy course load at university might be the culprit. It doesn't seem like he’s losing interest in socializing; at least, he hasn't shown or said anything to suggest that. As for his sleep patterns, I honestly can't say. Between my work schedule and seeing him only a few times a day—usually in the evenings—it's hard to tell. I haven't heard anything about him being up all night, but I could be wrong. Everything else seems standard; he isn't showing signs of fatigue, lack of focus, or memory issues. Even when guests come over, he acts just like himself. Truly, everything feels perfectly fine aside from this one thing, which is exactly why I'm so confused.

Regarding what you mentioned in your first post—that he can be "a bit arrogant," "likes to defy norms," and "enjoys playing with people's emotions"—what is his typical dynamic with friends or partners? Does he cut people off easily if he perceives an insult or a slight? Does he hold others to a specific, perhaps elevated, set of behavioral standards? Do you get the impression he is easily offended or prone to misinterpreting harmless comments in a negative light? Does he seem to genuinely like people in general, outside of your immediate circle? And does he strike you as somewhat egocentric?
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#12 ·
Is he just a sociopath?
Gary Nguyen45 Gary Nguyen45 Member
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#13 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Isn't he just a sociopath?

Where on earth are you getting that from? Let’s not go around throwing clinical diagnoses at people just because it feels right in the moment.
Scott Baker7 Scott Baker7 Newcomer
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#14 ·
I don't think your brother is dealing with some deep-seated, unsolvable psychological trauma. It sounds more like when you were kids, you played those forbidden games driven by pure curiosity and experimentation, and that likely triggered feelings in him that go way beyond typical sibling stuff. Between a kid's wild imagination and emerging sexuality, he basically put you on a pedestal. Now, years later, you’re both adults living alone in the family house, and those repressed feelings have finally bubbled to the surface. Honestly, if he actually sits down and reflects on how he's acting, it probably confuses him too. You need to break this illusion somehow, but you definitely need to seek professional help. Ideally, you should try to get him to open up about it himself or find a solid therapist for you both to see together.😵
Anthony Harris14 Anthony Harris14 Active Member
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#15 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Is he just a straight-up sociopath?

Does he actually possess any capacity for empathy toward others, or does it feel like he simply ignores everyone else's rights and shows zero respect?
Do you get the impression that he genuinely enjoys belittling people—seeking power over them, refusing to cooperate, and constantly playing these manipulative little games until they're thoroughly humiliated?
Jeremy Flores2 Jeremy Flores2 Member
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#16 ·
Look, if you hadn't led him astray—if you hadn't even laid a finger on him—everything would be perfectly fine right now... you're the one to blame for all of this!
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#17 ·
Jeremy Flores2 said:Yeah, right. If you hadn't seduced him or even touched him first, everything would be fine... it's all your fault!

Low blow. 👎
Jeremy Flores2 Jeremy Flores2 Member
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#18 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:That was a weak shot. 👎

A REAL BLOW!
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#19 ·
Jeremy Flores2 said:A TOTAL HIT!


But how does that actually solve her problem?
I guess I'm wondering... how old were they when it happened?
Like, 6 or 16?
If they were 16, then things are getting seriously messed up.
😢
Jeremy Flores2 Jeremy Flores2 Member
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joined Mar 2005
#20 ·
talia said:But how does that actually fix her issue?
I’m curious—how old were they when this went down?
Six, or sixteen?
If they were sixteen, then we're looking at a seriously messed up situation.
😢

That doesn't solve a thing—and honestly, nothing anyone types on this forum is going to fix it either. She needs to have a real, blunt conversation with her brother—maybe even pull him aside, make him sit down, and just lay it all out there... assuming, of course, that this story is actually true and isn't just some copied-and-pasted nonsense from a website!
They were definitely six, though I suspect they might have been a bit older—but let's wait for her to give us the actual facts first.

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