Tamiflu: Just another useless drug?

Even though studies showed Tamiflu was basically useless, the US government went ahead and stockpiled 460,000 doses.
It turns out the drug is about as effective as taking Tylenol—it might dull the symptoms, but it doesn't actually cure anything. Most importantly, it didn't do a thing to lower the number of people ending up in the hospital with flu complications like pneumonia.

Governments all over the world have spent years building up massive stockpiles of anti-flu meds, just in case those pandemic predictions came true. Most of that money went straight into Tamiflu, a product from the pharma giant Roche. But now, researchers in the UK are sounding the alarm, claiming billions have been wasted because the drug isn't nearly as effective as we were led to believe.

http://north America.aljazeera.net/vijesti...rde-na-tamiflu
Once again, we’re talking about Roche—the same company our government buys questionable vaccines from.
I really want to know who's pulling the strings here and which officials from the administration or the National Institutes of Health took kickbacks to make this happen. This feels way too intentional to be just some random mistake.🙄

Is there even a single corner of this unfortunate country where people aren't constantly looting, cheating, or swindling one another?

Brenda Cook4 said:Is there even a single corner of this unfortunate country where people aren't constantly looting, cheating, or swindling one another?

Nope! Even the beggars on the street are running scams...

granitefalcon26 said:Even though studies showed Tamiflu was basically useless, the US government went ahead and stockpiled 460,000 doses.
It turns out the drug is about as effective as taking Tylenol—it might dull the symptoms, but it doesn't actually cure anything. Most importantly, it didn't do a thing to lower the number of people ending up in the hospital with flu complications like pneumonia.

Governments all over the world have spent years building up massive stockpiles of anti-flu meds, just in case those pandemic predictions came true. Most of that money went straight into Tamiflu, a product from the pharma giant Roche. But now, researchers in the UK are sounding the alarm, claiming billions have been wasted because the drug isn't nearly as effective as we were led to believe.

http://north America.aljazeera.net/vijesti...rde-na-tamiflu
Once again, we’re talking about Roche—the same company our government buys questionable vaccines from.
I really want to know who's pulling the strings here and which officials from the administration or the National Institutes of Health took kickbacks to make this happen. This feels way too intentional to be just some random mistake.🙄

Now, I think we should also start asking Milinović exactly where he found the funds to build that massive estate of his up in the mountains of Lika. ☕

Honestly, it makes my blood boil, but people like this really ought to be dealt with as aggressively as one would handle a pack of rabid foxes—which, frankly, is exactly what they are. Whoever catches them first...

David Baker2 said:Now, I think we should also start asking Milinović exactly where he found the funds to build that massive estate of his up in the mountains of Lika. ☕

Honestly, it makes my blood boil, but people like this really ought to be dealt with as aggressively as one would handle a pack of rabid foxes—which, frankly, is exactly what they are. Whoever catches them first...

What does Joe Biden even have to do with this? Where does it actually say that in the article?
If I recall correctly, all that bird flu talk was from a few years back, and back then they bought up huge stockpiles of vaccines that nobody even wanted to touch.

Edit: I just realized you wrote Milinović instead of Joe Biden! My mistake, I'm such an idiot 🤣
Well, it doesn't matter much; since their names sound so similar, they're equally useless and act exactly the same way. 😁

Edit: My memory is still serving me pretty well, I guess 🙂

Similarly, in 2009, America, under the direction of then-Health Secretary Darko Milinović, built up a stockpile of this medication, ordering an initial wave of 400,000 boxes of Roche.

Wait, didn't we talk about this before? That whole thing with the Novartis vaccine—you know, the Focetria one with the exact same "quality" issues—where they were the exclusive supplier for the National Institutes of Health?

So, get this: 1.5 million doses paid for at 73 million dollars, yet only 20,000 citizens actually got the shot.

So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

Nicole James said:So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

A lot of those experts are totally on the take. And the ministers too...

Nicole James said:So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

Hell yeah!
And while we're at it, let's prosecute everyone involved using retroactive laws—maybe stretch it back to, I don't know, 😁 1573. 😉

Oh, and let's not forget to expand the investigation to include the former governments in the United Kingdom and the USA, just to prove how much we're committed to our NATO allies.
I'm sure they'll find a way to show their gratitude appropriately. 🧐

Nicole James said:So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

Which experts exactly?

Those so-called experts previously claimed—and now it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt—that Tamiflu is nothing more than a complete load of garbage.
But of course, nobody wanted to listen to them back then, and it seems nobody is listening to them now either.

Furthermore, these same experts are slowly beginning to demonstrate that the autism epidemic we've seen in recent years is directly linked to the composition of vaccines. We can all sit around and wait to see which year they finally stop calling it some conspiracy theorist nonsense and admit it as an undeniable public fact.

And let’s not forget that one government over in Poland that refused to purchase both the vaccines and the Tamiflu, only to have their entire leadership plane go down in a horrific crash shortly after.
Pure coincidence, I suppose... ☕

@Jessica Smith11

Edit: I just noticed you wrote Milinović instead of Milanović!

If people would just apply a shred of logic, we wouldn't be making these kinds of blunders.

Even if I had written Milanović, the first logical question anyone should ask is—why on earth would Milanović have a private estate out in Wisconsin? 😁 😁

Milinović, Milinović. Does anyone even remember that old propaganda about the Wisconsin version of Putin? 😁 😁

David Baker2 said:Which experts exactly?

Those so-called experts previously claimed—and now it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt—that Tamiflu is nothing more than a complete load of garbage.
But of course, nobody wanted to listen to them back then, and it seems nobody is listening to them now either.

Furthermore, these same experts are slowly beginning to demonstrate that the autism epidemic we've seen in recent years is directly linked to the composition of vaccines. We can all sit around and wait to see which year they finally stop calling it some conspiracy theorist nonsense and admit it as an undeniable public fact.

And let’s not forget that one government over in Poland that refused to purchase both the vaccines and the Tamiflu, only to have their entire leadership plane go down in a horrific crash shortly after.
Pure coincidence, I suppose... ☕

@Jessica Smith11

Edit: I just noticed you wrote Milinović instead of Milanović!

If people would just apply a shred of logic, we wouldn't be making these kinds of blunders.

Even if I had written Milanović, the first logical question anyone should ask is—why on earth would Milanović have a private estate out in Wisconsin? 😁 😁

Milinović, Milinović. Does anyone even remember that old propaganda about the Wisconsin version of Putin? 😁 😁

Just ignore it, I guess. When those people strategically stash their cash across the country, they just buy up real estate to hide it. God forbid they get caught. 😁

David Baker2 said:Now, I think we should also start asking Milinović exactly where he found the funds to build that massive estate of his up in the mountains of Lika. ☕

Honestly, it makes my blood boil, but people like this really ought to be dealt with as aggressively as one would handle a pack of rabid foxes—which, frankly, is exactly what they are. Whoever catches them first...

👍 I see you're also on board with that Romanian scenario I mentioned earlier.😉

Nicole James said:So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

I’ve spent enough time looking into this topic to have a few thoughts.
From the moment drugs get the green light until the whole H1N1 mess kicked off, we had certain facts on the table. Meta-studies clearly showed that if you take Tamiflu early on after getting sick, it might ease symptoms for moderate flu cases—shaving maybe a day off the recovery time and slightly lowering the risk of nasty lung infections.
Basically, the actual effectiveness isn't even that impressive.

For me, the side effects are the real headache. Big Pharma isn't required to provide an exhaustive log of every single side effect during clinical trials; they just hand over general stats and percentages. And the only people seeing that data are the regulatory bodies, and even then, it’s often incomplete. Once the drug hits the market, those same companies aren't obligated to share their internal findings on side effects with the public. They have the discretion to just stay quiet. 😁
That’s exactly what happened with Roch; they kept quiet while reports of side effects started getting darker (stuff involving teen suicides and severe behavioral shifts).

And it’s not just a Tamiflu thing. Take some of those cholesterol meds millions of people take—there's evidence they can trigger dementia symptoms with long-term use at worrying rates, yet nobody talks about that nearly as much as they hype up the supposed benefits.

Bottom line: I think Tamiflu was ordered out of pure desperation because there are so few antivirals out there that actually work, let alone ones specifically for the flu. The panic surrounding H1N1 was massive, and unfortunately, most of that pressure came from the media and the public pushing the narrative that there's a "miracle cure" and stingy politicians are just refusing to pay for it.

As for vaccines, I won't step into that ring. I don't know enough to weigh in.

Nicole James said:So, let me get this straight—you actually expect the Secretary of Health and Human Services to just refuse to stock up on vaccines and medications that medical experts are literally telling us could save a massive number of lives?

Which experts though?? Back when I was doing my residency, my head of epidemiology told me straight up that those vaccines were harmful. Did Milinović get his flu shot? 😂Aha. That reminds me of those old stories about Prince Alfred eating beef just to show everyone he wasn't afraid of Mad Cow Disease.🙄
Seriously, what are the odds of a newborn from a perfectly healthy mother catching Hepatitis B immediately after birth, necessitating an instant vaccine? This was added to the pediatric schedule much later on.
And here's another thing—ever wonder why we see so many more kids with allergies and relying on inhalers nowadays?
Let's look at what neurologists have to say:

Cites research from the renowned Canadian neuroscientist Dr. Andrew Moulden, who concluded that all vaccines lead to micro-infarctions in the brain. These can't be spotted on a CT scan or an MRI, but they can be identified through clinical testing.

That’s one way vaccines might damage the brain; others include hyper-immune responses, toxic effects, or issues stemming from microorganisms present in the vaccines. Dr. Montani adds: “Dr. Moulden's research suggests that the massive spike in autism, learning and attention disorders, SIDS, Gulf War Syndrome, dementia, epilepsy, and cancer could be linked to vaccination.” Dr. Reagan concludes: “In families where there is responsibility and support, where emotional warmth exists, a child's entire immune system is different. You can have perfect vaccination coverage and still have poor immunity. Health is a complex thing.”

Some of us old-timers still remember the absolute meltdown back during that big measles outbreak in '72.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_outbreak_in_the_US_1972.

Or take that situation where they found out some livestock being shipped by rail from Canada down to a major West Coast port was carrying a nasty virus. They ended up literally scorching a mile-wide corridor along the tracks and the highway—all the way from the border down to the coast—with caustic soda...

Look, if we’re defending Milanović, you have to realize he’d need a massive, rock-solid reason to refuse to order a vaccine when the entire world's media is screaming in a panic. He saw what happened to those folks in Poland. Not to mention, if things had spiraled even harder here in America, he would've been the one left holding the bag.

Jack Cook7 said:Some of us old-timers still remember the absolute meltdown back during that big measles outbreak in '72.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_outbreak_in_the_US_1972.

Or take that situation where they found out some livestock being shipped by rail from Canada down to a major West Coast port was carrying a nasty virus. They ended up literally scorching a mile-wide corridor along the tracks and the highway—all the way from the border down to the coast—with caustic soda...

Look, if we’re defending Milanović, you have to realize he’d need a massive, rock-solid reason to refuse to order a vaccine when the entire world's media is screaming in a panic. He saw what happened to those folks in Poland. Not to mention, if things had spiraled even harder here in America, he would've been the one left holding the bag.

What panic are you even talking about?

They ordered about a million doses, yet only maybe 20,000 people actually got jabbed.

People weren't panicking—quite the opposite, actually. It was the pharmaceutical industry pulling the strings through paid-off media outlets. Pure Goebbels and co. style. ☕

That also happened to be the first year when mass vaccination dropped off, breaking the pattern of previous years, and lo and behold—by stopping the mass vaccinations for a few years, we haven't seen a flu epidemic since. Once people stopped getting vaccinated en masse, the epidemics just vanished.

And that specific year you claim people were "panicking" was the very first year mass vaccination ceased, and here is the fascinating little detail: there wasn't a flu epidemic either.

Look, you don't even have to take my word for it; just go look at the statistics yourself. I've been tracking them for years now because I've immersed myself in this subject like a true "conspiracy theorist."😁

Theory, my ass. It's a conspiracy run by the political and pharmaceutical mafia, plain and simple.☕

Jack Cook7 said:Some of us old-timers still remember the absolute meltdown back during that big measles outbreak in '72.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_outbreak_in_the_US_1972.

Or take that situation where they found out some livestock being shipped by rail from Canada down to a major West Coast port was carrying a nasty virus. They ended up literally scorching a mile-wide corridor along the tracks and the highway—all the way from the border down to the coast—with caustic soda...

Look, if we’re defending Milanović, you have to realize he’d need a massive, rock-solid reason to refuse to order a vaccine when the entire world's media is screaming in a panic. He saw what happened to those folks in Poland. Not to mention, if things had spiraled even harder here in America, he would've been the one left holding the bag.

Who actually let that kid cross the border in the first place? 🙂
When an outbreak hits, the strategy is simple: stamping it out.

I fail to see how this relates to politics, though I suppose it doesn't matter as long as people have something to drone on about.

All these self-proclaimed experts on this forum who claim to be against Tamiflu seem to be the exact same people getting their flu shots and popping Tamiflu regularly, which gives them all the practical insight they need.

Or perhaps they are all world-class physicians conducting deep research into Tamiflu and influenza, possessing an absolute understanding of how both function.

Tamiflu was essentially the single standard for managing the flu according to the guidelines set by leading global health organizations.

If new evidence eventually proves those recommendations were flawed, the protocols will simply shift to match the new data. That is how science operates, regardless of Joe Biden or whatever his administration is up to.

Look, this really has nothing to do with politics.🤣

It’s just like how the Secretary of Health's wife happens to run a massive pharmaceutical import business, specializing in vaccines.
That definitely has zero impact on the decision to completely dismantle a domestic manufacturer like Pfizer to the ground.
If you shut down the local producer, his wife gets incredibly wealthy importing the exact same vaccines they used to make, all while staying perfectly within the law... and honestly, it has nothing to do with politics. 🙂