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Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
Lars is basically badgering Jorgen Leth into remaking his own film, 'The Perfect Human,' but with a catch: he’s imposing seven specific creative constraints on him along the way...
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So, Lars is playing games with the movie again. Honestly, I can't tell if he's trying to promote himself, the film, or just Jorgen...
I didn't realize until now that this whole thing is just an experiment—basically two friends messing around, though Leth pretty much steamrolled Lars right out of the gate during the first obstacle...
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Thoughts??
Michelle Gonzalez Michelle Gonzalez Member
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joined Nov 2004
#2 ·
This stands out as one of the most genuinely witty films I have had the pleasure of watching in recent years!

I was under the impression that he wasn't particularly interested in self-promotion—at least not in an overt way—though perhaps Leth might be an exception to that rule...
As for his work from the sixties, *Perfect Human*, I find myself undecided; however, viewing it through the lens of *The Seven Samurai*, it strikes me as nothing more than incredibly arrogant trash!
(Though, I certainly hope my assessment is incorrect)

Beyond its status as top-tier satire, I believe there is a fascinating concept at play regarding variation and improvisation. It reminds one of how a musician approaches jazz: you begin with a central theme and then develop it, much like taking a Duke Ellington composition and completely transforming or enriching it by interpreting it through a different perspective...
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2003
#3 ·
Michelle Gonzalez said:Aside from being a total joke, I think there's a cool concept here regarding variation and improvisation. It’s like jazz—you take a theme and run with it, or you play a Duke Ellington standard but reinterpret it so thoroughly that it becomes something entirely new and richer.

Right... just imagine if Leth could go back and film that third installment without all those restrictions.😲 ..anything's possible...
Michael Mitchell Michael Mitchell Newcomer
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joined Oct 2004
#4 ·
Anyone seen this yet? Nope, not me. But I'm dying to. Anyone got a link? Would be huge...
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2008
#5 ·
...you stumble upon all sorts of things when you're cataloging movies—this thread being one of them 😍
...I rushed to watch it immediately, but—well, I'm still stuck on the same issue: I can never quite wrap my head around why The Perfect Human is considered such a cinematic masterpiece 😵. And this Leth guy isn't helping matters at all. If I understood the original correctly, it seems he abandoned the core concept in every single variation except, maybe, the first one. The third installment feels like a total betrayal—it's almost like watching the Coens making a joke out of it, laughing while they meticulously time every single cigarette ash to fall at just the right moment 😁. It’s as if Leth and Lars aren't even speaking the same language—like two completely different wavelengths. The whole situation is honestly ridiculous (he'll probably have to be punished since the "genius" 😍 isn't satisfied 🤣), but as Michelle Gonzalez said ages ago 🙂, the idea of exploring variations on a theme is brilliant. If they had both actually put in a bit more effort, this could have been infinitely better 🙂

...but even as it stands, as a prompt for actual thought and a showcase for Trier's usual madness 😍, it's a pretty interesting piece of work 🙂
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2003
#6 ·
I mean, honestly, you have to consider the sheer concept of filmmaking. Everything you watched could have easily turned out completely different, even if it feels like destiny. Plus, we all know Lars is just out of his mind. 😁
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2008
#7 ·
...but honestly, the hardest part to swallow was realizing that what I used to label as "high art" is actually just... massive superficiality. I don't know—the first time I watched it, I was so caught up in Lars that everything else felt secondary to Letha, aside from the "technical" side of things (you know, how he meets the requirements and clears the hurdles)... but now? Now it's Leth that really sticks in my craw. Watching him work through that third, and especially that fourth film, I couldn't shake the feeling that there isn't any actual artistry hidden behind those obstacles. It just feels like a guy living his comfortable life, if you catch my drift 😁 😳
...and then there's Lars... that transition from "perfection" to just being a "man"—it really gutted me. I think once I finally build up the nerve to rewatch Breaking The Waves, I’m going to try to flip the script or somehow physically shift my perspective, because the truth seems to keep slipping through my fingers... or maybe I should just try taking some antidepressants before the movie starts (just so I'm not promoting any other substances on the forum)? 😵

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