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ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 RegularOP
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Portrait of a Lady on Fire (dir. Celine Sciamma, 2019)

So, here's the setup: if Heloise wants to marry some guy from New York City, her mother orders a portrait to be painted and sent off to the big city. But since Heloise isn't exactly thrilled about getting hitched or sitting still for a painter, the artist, Marianne, ends up playing chaperone. It’s during this forced companionship that she gets to observe enough to create the painting.

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To put it bluntly, this movie absolutely blew me away. It’s a gorgeous exploration of two women falling in love—or rather, how they fall in love with life itself through art, intimacy, and shared moments, provided they weren't trapped by the suffocating social roles of 18th-century women. The pacing is spot on, and the attention to detail is vital here. I won't ramble too much, but take their first encounter: we spend about fifteen minutes hearing stories about Heloise, then we see her in one long sequence from behind, hooded and mysterious, and then finally, when she pulls back that hood, reveals her hair, and turns to the camera... man, she looks like the most captivating woman on the planet.

The subject matter is pretty delicate and could easily slide into melodrama. In fact, the film does stumble into a few scenes that feel a bit trashy, partly because Noémie Marlant (Marianne) isn't quite hitting the mark for me. Her acting feels a bit too literal at times; she tries so hard to telegraph a specific emotion that she occasionally comes off like a soap opera actress. On the flip side, Adele Haenel (Heloise) is nothing short of incredible. I haven't seen that kind of meticulous focus on the small details that build such a complex character in a long time. Everything builds toward that damn final scene, which honestly gave me chills. The script, the direction, the cinematography—it's all top-tier, but in my opinion, Adele Haenel carries more than half the weight of the film.

I’d wholeheartedly recommend this to any lesbian couple looking for a perfect date night movie, though honestly, it's worth watching regardless. It feels more "classic" than the other stuff I caught at the Sundance Film Festival, but it's a damn good classic. It uses certain tropes you've seen in older films, but they function so much better here (like the singing by the fire). Even the metaphorical promise of "burning out" suggested by the title actually pays off in the end.
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ruggedjackal46 said:Portrait of a Lady on Fire (dir. Celine Sciamma, 2019)

The premise is that Heloise is set up to marry some guy from New York City, so her mother commissions a portrait to be sent off to him. But since Heloise isn't interested in marriage or sitting still for a painter, the artist, Marianne, ends up acting as her companion. While they hang out, Marianne captures those candid moments to use as the basis for the painting.

Thanks!
Sounds incredibly good. 🙂Adele Haenel absolutely kills it every single time.
Ashley Grant66 Ashley Grant66 Member
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ruggedjackal46 said:Portrait of a Lady on Fire (dir. Celine Sciamma, 2019)

The movie has this incredible sense of pacing and uses these tiny details that are just vital for the theme—I won't ramble, but the best example is that first encounter with Heloise. You hear stories about her for about fifteen minutes, then there's this long sequence where we just see her from behind with her hood up, and then when she finally pulls it down, shows off that blue hair, turns toward the camera, and speaks... she looks like the most captivating woman in the world.

Totally. I loved it too—honestly, that first half was probably the most gripping part for me, while all that tension is still building. The photography, the colors, the set design... everything is just stunning. You can't look away.

ruggedjackal46 said:The subject matter is pretty slippery and can easily slide into being overly sentimental, and a few times the film does lean into some almost trashy scenes—partly because I don't think Noémie Marlant (Marianne) is quite there. Her acting feels a bit too "on," like she’s trying way too hard to telegraph a specific emotion, which makes her feel a bit like a soap opera actress at times. On the flip side, Adele Haenel (Heloise) was absolutely incredible. That kind of focus on the small details that build a complex character is something I haven't seen in ages, and it all builds up to that insane final scene that gave me chills. The script, direction, and cinematography are top-notch, but honestly? For me, Adele Haenel carries more than half the movie.

I'm with you there. In the second half, it definitely loses some subtlety—some moments felt a little too theatrical (though I get that, considering the period setting). And that scene in bed, where they have their hair down and are talking about drugs? They just looked like two random girls filmed yesterday in an apartment; you just don't feel that 18th-century vibe. Adele is amazing in everything she does, though.
That scene analyzing Orpheus and Eurydice was fantastic, as were all the scenes with Valerie Golino. Personally, I got a bit unsettled by the detail where the maid holds the baby's hand during *that* process (?!). As for the ending, I wasn't as blown away—it felt a bit forced to me, like it was chasing a "wow" effect, and I ended up feeling a bit disconnected. It felt a little staged, almost like a scene meant for acting students to practice crying (lol, if that's even a thing). Maybe it's just me, but for a movie that plays the "less is more" card so well, this felt like a bit much. I actually preferred the little moment earlier (hint: 28 😁).
All in all, a really compelling film. I thought her previous two, Tomboy and Girl Gang, were great too 😍. This one is definitely a bigger bite—more pretentious and serious, for sure—but definitely worth the watch.
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Ashley Grant66 said:Yeah. I really loved it too. Honestly, I found the first half even more gripping because of all that mounting tension. The cinematography, the color palette, the production design—everything was just stunning. You practically can't look away.

Exactly. I agree. The whole seduction process is so beautiful and tense that when they finally come together, it almost feels like an anticlimax.😁

The scene where they read and analyze Orpheus and Eurydice was fantastic, as were all the scenes featuring Valerie Golino. For me, though, that one detail where the maid holds a baby's hand during *that* specific moment actually gave me chills. As for the final scene? It didn't hit quite as hard for me. I felt like it was trying way too hard to force an emotional "wow" factor, and by the end, I was just left wanting more. It felt a bit staged, like a masterclass in "how to cry" for acting students rather than a genuine, raw feeling. Maybe it’s because I didn't fully grasp the context of what was happening there. I don't know if that makes sense, but for a movie that plays the "less is more" card so effectively, this part felt like overkill. I much preferred the earlier shot (hint: 28 😁).

See, that baby scene felt like such an aggressive attempt at juxtaposition to me, and honestly, that other shot felt out of place too. As for the finale itself, the concept sounds questionable on paper, but the execution was strangely effective—it lingers so long that it becomes uncomfortable. It practically detaches from the rest of the film, forcing you to focus entirely on it (or making you want to look away, depending on who you ask 😁), and Adele Haenel conveys such conflicting emotions that it’s more than just a crying scene. Within the context of the entire film—considering what the music represents and its role in the narrative—this short sequence manages to compress the entire emotional whirlwind of the previous two hours. Of course, it's a dangerous area to tread; it could have easily slid into melodrama, but here, it doesn't. That’s what I respect about this film: it dives headfirst and honestly into the overly-trodden, slippery territory of love. It knows it can slip up, but because of that directness, when it hits the right note, it absolutely knocks you out. I was actually chuckling a few minutes prior at those, in my opinion, silly wedding dress motifs and number 28, but after that final scene, I needed a few minutes just to collect myself before I could leave the theater.
Ashley Grant66 Ashley Grant66 Member
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ruggedjackal46 said:Look, that baby scene felt like such an aggressive clash of opposites to me—honestly, that one shot was just grating. And while the concept of the final scene sounds pretty bad on paper, the execution was actually great and weirdly effective. It lingers so long that it becomes uncomfortable—it basically detaches from the rest of the movie and forces you to stare right at it (or pushes you away, depending on who you 😁)—and Adele Haenel delivers such conflicting emotions that it’s way more than just a "crying scene." Within the context of the whole film—especially considering what the music represents and its overall role here—that short sequence manages to compress the entire emotional rollercoaster of the previous two hours. Of course, that's a common trope and it can easily slide into being pathetic, but it didn't happen here. That's what I appreciate about this movie—it dives bravely and honestly into that heavily overused, slippery theme of love. It's easy to slip up, but because of that directness and sincerity, when it hits the right tone, it absolutely knocks you out. I was actually laughing a few minutes earlier at those silly wedding dress illusions and the number 28, but after that final scene, I needed a few minutes to pull myself together before even leaving the theater.

That's so well said!
Yeah, that bit with the baby felt bizarre to me too—it really threw me off. I spent the next few minutes wondering what the point was, because in any other movie, it would've felt totally trashy, but here I assumed there was a reason for it.
As for that last scene, I get all the subtext involved, but I guess I mostly struggled with the feeling that it was forced onto us, since the setup felt a bit unbelievable. Maybe I'm just being dense and taking things too literally, but it felt strange having zero context—they just happen to be in the same spot (randomly? in New York City?), she's watching her from a different balcony, and it's essentially her looking at Heloise... it feels like everything is staged just so we can see Heloise's reaction in a close-up to that piece of music. Maybe the "how" and "why" don't matter, but it kept bugging me. You know, everything else in the movie felt so beautifully paced and natural—never rushed or forced—so that ending felt a bit abrupt and sudden to me.
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Sure, I get it—it feels incredibly forced. They don't even meet properly, and then suddenly, by some freak coincidence, they’re at the exact same concert? And somehow, she spots him, but he doesn't notice her? It feels like the whole thing was staged just to milk that final reaction out of her 😁 But look, if you think about it, the entire focus is on that brief window of time they actually spent together. To me, keeping the epilogue tight and fast-paced seems like a smart move. If they had lingered too long on what happened to every single side character, the movie would have just dragged on forever. I’ll admit, there were a few moments in this film where I had to turn a blind eye, but honestly, what I saw with my other eye ended up being much better than what most movies try to pull off when you're watching with both eyes wide open 😁

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