Thoughts on the right wing?

Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

I’m just a high school grad {but hey, they say that’s “impossible”}{

Look, I’m pretty much an atheist, but I tend to lean more toward the right. That’s why I feel like both sides—left and right—don't actually care about the people enough. If we could just get past all those ideological divides, imagine how much we could actually get done? Isn't that the point?

All this fighting over left vs. right is usually just a perfect distraction for the media to pull our eyes away from what really matters.

You’ve managed to cram just about everything under that "right-wing" label. But honestly, it all depends on how you define the right—if you're looking at it through an American lens versus the global standard. Globally, the split is pretty simple: the left wants more government, more social safety nets, and higher taxes, while the right wants less government, fewer benefits, and lower taxes.

People like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac were basically just old-school Marxists who decided to sprinkle some nationalism on top of their communism. If you ask me, they were opportunists who would have joined any faction just to stay in power.

But hey, that’s beside the point. Let’s just roll with your specific definition of left and right for a second.

Flat Earthers, vaccines, chemtrails, big banks, Jews, secret cabals—this stuff isn't exclusive to one side. You’ll hear these theories from anyone, whether they lean toward the far left or follow groups like the Living Wall.

Then there's terrorism. You can make a massive list covering communist terrorists, eco-terrorists, and so on. Their frequency only really dipped after 1990. We're talking about people who actually succeeded in pulling off revolutions in multiple countries.

As for the nonsense conspiracy theories—you've got stories about how Castro was poisoned, but most conspiracies sound identical once you get past the surface. Whether it's the Jews, the bankers, or the corporations, the core plot stays the same. The only difference is that one side cries about a threatened nation, while the other cries about a threatened social class.

So, here's the takeaway: extreme people are just extreme and narrow-minded. They'll grab whatever ideology happens to be lying around in their immediate circle.

analogorca6 said:You’ve managed to cram just about everything under that "right-wing" label. But honestly, it all depends on how you define the right—if you're looking at it through an American lens versus the global standard. Globally, the split is pretty simple: the left wants more government, more social safety nets, and higher taxes, while the right wants less government, fewer benefits, and lower taxes.

People like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac were basically just old-school Marxists who decided to sprinkle some nationalism on top of their communism. If you ask me, they were opportunists who would have joined any faction just to stay in power.

But hey, that’s beside the point. Let’s just roll with your specific definition of left and right for a second.

Flat Earthers, vaccines, chemtrails, big banks, Jews, secret cabals—this stuff isn't exclusive to one side. You’ll hear these theories from anyone, whether they lean toward the far left or follow groups like the Living Wall.

Then there's terrorism. You can make a massive list covering communist terrorists, eco-terrorists, and so on. Their frequency only really dipped after 1990. We're talking about people who actually succeeded in pulling off revolutions in multiple countries.

As for the nonsense conspiracy theories—you've got stories about how Castro was poisoned, but most conspiracies sound identical once you get past the surface. Whether it's the Jews, the bankers, or the corporations, the core plot stays the same. The only difference is that one side cries about a threatened nation, while the other cries about a threatened social class.

So, here's the takeaway: extreme people are just extreme and narrow-minded. They'll grab whatever ideology happens to be lying around in their immediate circle.

I can't say I'm exactly inclined to agree with that...

If you ask me, Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac aren't opportunists, and there is absolutely no way they would ever pivot to becoming something like Royalists or any other kind of radical faction. It’s just not in their DNA. Honestly, looking at them, it seems more like they've simply been caught in these impossible, messy fractures of history—stuck in positions where they're forced to navigate situations that are, frankly, contradictory to a fault. They aren't chasing trends; they're just navigating those jagged edges where logic and reality don't always align.

Honestly, you could just call Living Wall a bunch of idiots and be done with it; I’m genuinely struggling to figure out which category of dysfunction they even belong to. It’s all just pure chaos. It reminds me of those various, wildly imaginative attempts to take out Fidel Castro—you know, those famous plots that everyone talks about? Yeah, that kind of level of absurd, misguided effort.

I don't know, I'm left with this nagging impression that the right wing is significantly more prone to swallowing conspiracy theories, the whole flat Earth nonsense, and all that other stuff, you know?🤔

Look, we're talking about extremes here—conservatism is a worldview, a whole system of values. But tribalism? That’s different. It’s where people find their entire sense of purpose. They're basically living in a bubble. How are they supposed to see the bigger picture when they're so wrapped up in that?
Some studies suggest there might even be a genetic component to it—not to mention the influence of how you're raised and the environment you grow up in.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

No offense intended, but what you’ve laid out here is a staggering amount of human stupidity condensed into a single post. I’ll be the first to admit I’m firmly on the right regarding some issues and fully on the left regarding others, but this? This has absolutely zero connection to reality. Honestly, I started bolding the nonsense you wrote just to keep track, but at this point, the entire text should probably be bolded—it would make summarizing my response much easier.

You seem to have this deep-seated frustration with conservatives—and, funnily enough, you’re acting exactly like those very same people—which you vent across this forum through a fairly shallow and transparently passive-aggressive lens.

But let's get into it. Conservatives and liberals are more or less identical; there isn't actually a massive divide between them. When you talk about "conservatives," I assume you mean the rigid types—and they are essentially the same breed of person as the rigid liberals. Both groups are incredibly narrow-minded; they see and understand only their own bubble, and they claim to support freedom and diverse opinions only as long as those things happen to align perfectly with their specific worldview. A conservative is tolerant toward someone right up until that person threatens their vision of the world (national borders, religion, marriage), while a liberal is tolerant right up until a conservative challenges their values—because the liberal is "for freedom," but only the kind of freedom that fits their particular perspective. What they share is that once you touch that core set of identifying values, both sides tend to resort to insults—whether direct or subtle—mostly because they lack actual arguments or the brainpower to engage deeply. It’s the same pattern: for conservatives, the boogeyman might be someone like a hardline nationalist, while for liberals, it’s someone like a radical activist. One is labeled a fanatic, the other is called a pig. I’m not saying that about those specific people, obviously; I’m just using them as examples of how these minds actually function. A conservative and a liberal are identical down to the last hair; the only difference is the spectrum of values they cling to. They’re like identical twins where one only watches horror movies and the other only watches comedies. Naturally, they both think the other is an idiot, failing to realize how similar they are in how they operate. To a liberal, conservatives are just backward, toothless fossils, while to a conservative, liberals are mindless sheep easily manipulated by everything coming out of Hollywood.

Wasting time commenting on politicians or random individuals like Andreas Breivik is pointless when you can find the exact same behavior on the opposite end of the spectrum. And as for the idea that conservatives believe in a flat Earth? That makes no sense at all. I have no idea where you pulled that absurdity from. Sure, there might be some conservatives who believe it, but there are liberals who do too—it’s completely irrelevant to the broader point.

In my quest for something a little... different, I found myself lurking on forums like Stormfront.

We are a community of racial realists and idealists. We are White Nationalists who support true diversity and a homeland for all peoples, including ours. We are the voice of the new, embattled White minority!

😬

I really gave it my all, trying to wrap my head around it and actually learn something. But yeah, I failed miserably. 😳

darksurfer4 said:I don't know, I'm left with this nagging impression that the right wing is significantly more prone to swallowing conspiracy theories, the whole flat Earth nonsense, and all that other stuff, you know?🤔

Yeah, that nonsense actually started with American conservatives (though they’re a bit different from what we see here). The whole Flat Earth thing began as a joke (Flat Earth Society), but then some people actually started taking it seriously.

Roger Kern16 said:In my quest for something a little... different, I found myself lurking on forums like Stormfront.

We are a community of racial realists and idealists. We are White Nationalists who support true diversity and a homeland for all peoples, including ours. We are the voice of the new, embattled White minority!

😬

I really gave it my all, trying to wrap my head around it and actually learn something. But yeah, I failed miserably. 😳

I ended up landing there once, looking for a specific Jungian essay, and immediately... 🙂

Joseph Bailey41 said:Yeah, that nonsense actually started with American conservatives (though they’re a bit different from what we see here). The whole Flat Earth thing began as a joke (Flat Earth Society), but then some people actually started taking it seriously.

I ended up landing there once, looking for a specific Jungian essay, and immediately... 🙂

I had absolutely no clue what kind of creatures were lurking in the dark corners of the web. I've been frantically hitting the mental undo button on everything I've stumbled upon, but it's too late. 😬 :Stared too long at the abyss:

Roger Kern16 said:I had absolutely no clue what kind of creatures were lurking in the dark corners of the web. I've been frantically hitting the mental undo button on everything I've stumbled upon, but it's too late. 😬 :Stared too long at the abyss:

Personally, I'm right in the middle of trying to mentally rearrange everything I've seen—kind of like attempting a hard drive defrag. This actually helps. ☕

There are times when any relativism of view disappears in a cloud of heartfelt indignation. Then an interested, exploratory stance to what the other person thinks they are doing becomes impossible. The internal discourse changes from one in which the other person is "construed as behaving strangely," or as "seeing the world differently," or even as mistaken; the discourse becomes one in which they are "wrong," "wicked," "simply a bastard," and should be treated as such.

Gonna print this out and stick it on my fridge. 😬

Joseph Bailey41 said:Yeah, that nonsense actually started with American conservatives (though they’re a bit different from what we see here). The whole Flat Earth thing began as a joke (Flat Earth Society), but then some people actually started taking it seriously.

I ended up landing there once, looking for a specific Jungian essay, and immediately... 🙂

Do you honestly believe those types of American right-wingers should be stripped of their right to vote? Or should there be some kind of legal sanction against anyone making public claims that the Earth is just some flat plane?

darksurfer4 said:Do you honestly believe those types of American right-wingers should be stripped of their right to vote? Or should there be some kind of legal sanction against anyone making public claims that the Earth is just some flat plane?

Honestly, they can go ahead and vote for those clowns all they want, but I’d personally love to see some mandatory intelligence and general knowledge tests required before anyone is allowed online or—heaven forbid—to step in front of a camera. ☕

darksurfer4 said:Do you honestly believe those types of American right-wingers should be stripped of their right to vote? Or should there be some kind of legal sanction against anyone making public claims that the Earth is just some flat plane?

Isn't "liberal" democracy basically just this big "rule by the people" tolerance model? You tolerate someone else's nonsense because you know that under the same rules, they’ll probably have to tolerate yours... As long as you aren't putting your hand in... someone's pocket, or directly threatening(if we're talking actual rights...) whatever weird thoughts, beliefs, or obsessions they have... whatever they want... it's all good.

darksurfer4 said:Do you honestly believe those types of American right-wingers should be stripped of their right to vote? Or should there be some kind of legal sanction against anyone making public claims that the Earth is just some flat plane?

This is actually a textbook example of "intolerance from the tolerant"—which, if you think about it, just shows you're essentially the same as your average conservative. Nothing better, nothing worse. You’re only tolerant when someone happens to be echoing your own views; the second someone steps outside your little bubble of values, you suddenly turn incredibly rigid and reactionary. It’s a universal trait—don't think you're the exception here. I’ve said it before: the people who brand themselves as the champions of tolerance are often far more intolerant than those labeled as bigots. At least the latter don't pretend otherwise—with the "tolerant" crowd, the intolerance is what actually defines them.

You’d want to ban someone over Flat Earth theories; I’d probably suggest banning anyone without a PhD from voting (which, honestly, might actually be good for the country), and a third person might want to bar anyone without ten years of private sector experience. We all have our own little ideas about what constitutes a justified restriction, but once you start doing that, it isn't a democracy anymore.

Joseph Bailey41 said:http://archive.boston.com/bostonglob...aper_ever.html

...We want to be able to attribute people's behavior to legitimate differences in philosophies, perspectives, cultures, priorities. When we cannot, we feel that we have failed, and we are angry at having been put into such a narrow-minded, thoughtlessly reactive position...

So true. Honestly, this just fuels my frustration. 😁 My brain just can't process a crime committed out of pure boredom or malice—something totally devoid of any logic that could actually explain it (even if it doesn't excuse it). I think that’s my biggest fear, really... the inability to make sense of things. Pure destruction born from randomness and nonsense; that's actually scarier than the destruction itself.
Basically, I went to that site (and a million others just like it) hoping to find some clarity, but I ended up feeling completely overwhelmed... 😬

You talked a lot of nonsense in your opening post, so let's take this one step at a time...

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

Innate hatred. It’s a heavy thing to carry around. Honestly, it makes living with people pretty damn difficult. Given how deep that kind of animosity runs, I wouldn't go expecting anyone to act rationally anytime soon.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

Of course, mental patients. I couldn't have expected anything else once we established you have a built-in hatred for that group. And where exactly did you get the idea that you'd meet right-wingers through some magazine like Time Magazine? It’s irrational and completely mindless.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

First off: The history of left-wing terrorism is a messy, blood-soaked chapter of the 20th century. It wasn’t just one thing; it was a fragmented collection of groups all chasing different versions of a radical utopia. They shared a common enemy—the established state and capitalist structures—but their methods varied from targeted assassinations to high-profile kidnappings. Most of these movements gained traction during the Cold War era. You had groups like the Red Army Faction in Germany or the Weather Underground here in the States, all trying to spark a global revolution. They believed that by striking at the heart of the system, they could force the hand of the masses and collapse the status quo. It’s easy to look back now and see them as relics, but at the time, the tension was palpable. There was a genuine sense that the old world was dying and something new—something more equitable, or so they claimed—was about to be born through fire. Of course, the reality was usually much darker. Instead of liberation, most of these movements ended in violence, paranoia, and eventually, total irrelevance. History shows that when you try to build a paradise on a foundation of terror, you usually just end up building a graveyard.
Second, if you actually want to understand the Right, you shouldn't be looking at terrorists.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

This is just pure fabrication from your irrational mind, born out of a pathological hatred for anyone who dares to think differently than you do. Conservatives are simply traditionalists, and for the most part, they rely on proven facts.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

Experience and wisdom don't come easy. You can't just buy them or fast-track them. They only arrive with age.
Your biases and ageism are just more proof that you aren't thinking rationally.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

Maybe I should go see a decent doctor first.
After reading what you wrote, I think you could actually use a little more of that.

Roger Kern16 said:So true. Honestly, this just fuels my frustration. 😁 My brain just can't process a crime committed out of pure boredom or malice—something totally devoid of any logic that could actually explain it (even if it doesn't excuse it). I think that’s my biggest fear, really... the inability to make sense of things. Pure destruction born from randomness and nonsense; that's actually scarier than the destruction itself.
Basically, I went to that site (and a million others just like it) hoping to find some clarity, but I ended up feeling completely overwhelmed... 😬

You took the wrong approach. When you're trying to understand stuff like this, you have to work from the big picture down to the individual details. Basically, first you head to the library for Mass Psychology of Fascism, then maybe spend some time trolling on Politics, and only then do you step into the snake pit. 😒

It might sound complicated, but the beauty of that method is that halfway through, you’ll realize that interacting with that entire mess isn't going to yield anything positive. You start to see how the key players all operate on the same toxic pattern of self-hatred that they project onto everyone else, followed by people who only feel secure when they're huddled in the suffocating warmth of a mob. So, when you try to talk to a user like 'desankasakic666,' you aren't actually talking to a person with their own opinions; you're just talking to a number that mindlessly repeats whatever they heard from their aunt, someone on the street, or heaven forbid, some random guy on YouTube. ☕

"A sexually satisfied primitive is honorable, aware of his responsibilities, brave, and calm, and none of this seems particularly extraordinary to him. These views are an organic part of his personality. He who is sexually weakened, contradictory in his sexual structure, must constantly remind himself to master his sexuality, to maintain his sexual honor, to be brave against temptation, to practice restraint, and so on."

It’s all just a bunch of nonsense, really.

I honestly feel like those on the extreme left are cut from the exact same cloth as the extremists on the right. They both tend to fall into the same patterns of being murderers, terrorists, dictators, and criminals.

Take Che Guevara, for instance; while he's often held up as some sort of icon for the left, I guess you could see him as just another mass murderer and criminal who personally took the lives of hundreds, ordered the deaths of thousands, and sent tens of thousands more off to concentration camps.

What’s particularly interesting—and quite dark—is how openly homophobic he was, apparently even finding a sense of enjoyment in the killing of homosexuals.

Whether it's the right or the left, it feels like the same old garbage, just wrapped up in different packaging.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:It’s all just a bunch of nonsense, really.

I honestly feel like those on the extreme left are cut from the exact same cloth as the extremists on the right. They both tend to fall into the same patterns of being murderers, terrorists, dictators, and criminals.

Take Che Guevara, for instance; while he's often held up as some sort of icon for the left, I guess you could see him as just another mass murderer and criminal who personally took the lives of hundreds, ordered the deaths of thousands, and sent tens of thousands more off to concentration camps.

What’s particularly interesting—and quite dark—is how openly homophobic he was, apparently even finding a sense of enjoyment in the killing of homosexuals.

Whether it's the right or the left, it feels like the same old garbage, just wrapped up in different packaging.

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if we stuck to psychology on this subforum instead of getting bogged down in historical and political debates. What really upsets people—and why this thread was even started—isn't these specific historical figures (they have their own dedicated threads), but rather the people we share our living spaces with (and the internet) who push all sorts of crazy theories and extreme solutions. Modern leftists are often criticized for being too sexually permissive, specifically for their uncritical acceptance of homosexuality, transsexuality, gender identity, and basically any sexual practice involving consenting adults, no matter what it is. So, bringing up Che Guevara's alleged homophobia feels like passive-aggression to me—kind of an attempt to dodge a direct clash of opinions by using minor jabs that aren't even particularly relevant to the topic at hand.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:It’s all just a bunch of nonsense, really.

I honestly feel like those on the extreme left are cut from the exact same cloth as the extremists on the right. They both tend to fall into the same patterns of being murderers, terrorists, dictators, and criminals.

Take Che Guevara, for instance; while he's often held up as some sort of icon for the left, I guess you could see him as just another mass murderer and criminal who personally took the lives of hundreds, ordered the deaths of thousands, and sent tens of thousands more off to concentration camps.

What’s particularly interesting—and quite dark—is how openly homophobic he was, apparently even finding a sense of enjoyment in the killing of homosexuals.

Whether it's the right or the left, it feels like the same old garbage, just wrapped up in different packaging.

I've been running into this argument quite a lot lately, usually from people who don't really understand how either of these political movements actually formed. That claim might even hold water if we're talking about political parties and prominent figures on the daily news cycle—getting into politics is a job just like any other, and it attracts people driven by a desire for money and influence. In those cases, their ideological stance is basically just surface-level charm typical of certain personality disorders.

However, when it comes to a genuine desire to shape society, the motivations of people on the left and the right differ drastically. It isn't enough to just look at the horizontal spectrum, though; you also have to add the vertical "authoritarian vs. anti-authoritarian" axis. That gives us the famous political quadrants, representing the four fundamental political orientations. Where someone lands in a quadrant reflects their vision of an "ideal world." Since those four visions are wildly different, it's reasonable to assume they stem from very different personality traits. And that's really what we're trying to discuss here.