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Douglas Ramos2 Douglas Ramos2 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’m asking about a woman in her 40s. She has a congenital heart valve issue, though I’m not sure if that’s even relevant right now. She’s been coughing for two weeks, and over the last couple of days, she spiked a fever of about 103°F, which landed her in the hospital. Her white blood cell count is low, but her iron levels are high 😕 . She keeps passing out. Overall, she’s just incredibly weak and pale—she can barely get out of bed on her own. The doctors haven't given us any clear answers yet. She thinks they might have had to resuscitate her when she collapsed, but she isn't entirely sure. Does anyone have any insight or ideas?
Thanks to everyone for the help.
Raymond Cruz5 Raymond Cruz5 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Elizabeth Hill48 said:So we’re looking at a woman in her 40s here. She was born with some kind of congenital heart valve issue, but honestly, that probably isn't even the main culprit right now. She's been coughing for two weeks straight, and then over the last couple of days, she spiked a fever—like, a nasty 103°F—and ended up in the hospital. Her white blood cell count is low, though she has an excess of iron😕. She keeps passing out. Just generally weak, pale, can barely pull herself out of bed. The doctors aren't giving us much to go on yet. She thinks they might have had to resuscitate her when she collapsed, but she's not entirely sure. Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks to everyone for the help.

My gut says acute pneumonia.
Sam Hall15 Sam Hall15 Active Member
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#3 ·
It's likely a combination of several diagnoses. If her white blood cell count is low, we really need to investigate the cause—specifically looking for abnormal cell types that might suggest leukemia. That could lead to secondary immunodeficiency, which potentially causes severe pneumonia and hypoxia, ultimately risking cardiac or respiratory arrest requiring resuscitation... It's also possible she's dealing with a long-term inflammatory process that has exhausted her system, causing the drop in white cells, which then fuels further infection in a vicious cycle where everything exacerbates everything else... We'll need more information to determine exactly what's happening here.
Douglas Ramos2 Douglas Ramos2 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
High iron levels? And I think my hemoglobin might be low too 😲... if that’s even possible.
Douglas Ramos2 Douglas Ramos2 Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
Sam Hall15 said:...it could be a long-term inflammatory process that wore the body down, leading to a drop in white blood cell counts, which then made the infection even harder to fight off.

Mononucleosis immediately came to mind for me. Is it actually a good idea to go visit them at the hospital if there's a chance this is something contagious?
Sam Hall15 Sam Hall15 Active Member
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#6 ·
Elevated iron levels combined with low Hb suggest anemia... likely hemolytic, potentially due to an autoimmune condition... there's also a possible risk of developing hemochromatosis... do you happen to know the current status of the patient?
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Elizabeth Hill48 said:High iron levels?... and I'm thinking low hemoglobin too😲 ...if that's even a thing.

Okay, we’ve got a major terminology meltdown happening here! How on earth can your iron be spiking
while your hemoglobin is actually dropping? Can someone please make it make sense for me?
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Sam Hall15 said:high iron levels plus low H&M usually means anemia is on the way... sigh

Hey Doc, mind if I ask which medical school you actually graduated from? 🤣 🤣
briskeagle39 briskeagle39 Member
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#9 ·
Jamie Long49 said:We’re facing a serious terminology issue here—how on earth can iron levels go up
while hemoglobin is actually dropping? Can someone please explain that to me?

Well, it's simple enough... the hemoglobin breaks down far too quickly, and the body just isn't producing new cells fast enough to keep pace. Since there's plenty of iron available, you end up with a relative surplus in your serum even though your hemoglobin is bottoming out.

Just do a quick search for "hemolytic anemia" or "high iron" and you'll find the answer in no time.
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Elizabeth Hill48 said:I was thinking mono right away! Is it even a good idea to go visit them at the hospital if this might be something contagious?

Wait, a 40-year-old woman getting kissing disease?🤣 If your diagnosis is actually spot on, there's a real chance they might put her in isolation.🙂 Honestly, I’d skip the hospital visit if I were you.😁 I always just assumed that was some teenage thing, you know?🙂
Douglas Ramos2 Douglas Ramos2 Active MemberOP
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#11 ·
Jamie Long49 said:I honestly thought it was just typical teenage angst.🙂

😕 ...so why on earth would that be?
Look, I'm not trying to play doctor here... I don't have any medical training and I'm pretty clueless about this stuff, which is exactly why I'm asking you guys.
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Elizabeth Hill48 said:😕 ...but why on earth?
Look, I'm not trying to play doctor here... I don't have a medical degree or anything, so I actually don't know much about this stuff, which is exactly why I'm asking you guys!

Infectious mononucleosis is something both little kids and adults deal with, and honestly, it just spreads through saliva.
I was just telling you what we call it here in the States. It's a viral thing, plain and simple. Happy now?
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#13 ·
briskeagle39 said:It’s honestly wild how that works, right? Like, your hemoglobin just breaks down way too fast, and then your body can't exactly keep up with making new stuff at a decent pace. Since you aren't actually short on iron, you end up with this weird situation where you have a relative surplus of iron floating around in your serum while your hemoglobin levels are still totally bottoming out!

Just go ahead and Google "hemolytic anemia" and "high iron" or whatever else comes to mind, and honestly, you'll pretty much find the answer yourself, right?

Man, you’re such a huge expert that I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you right now, you know?🤣 Honestly, wouldn't you just want to spend the whole entire night doing that?🤣 🤣 🤣 🙏 🙏
briskeagle39 briskeagle39 Member
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#14 ·
...it’s just how it goes—Jamie Long49, so innocent, simply fluttering away into the night. 😂
Jamie Long49 Jamie Long49 Newcomer
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#15 ·
briskeagle39 said:...like, the little hummingbird just flutters away innocently into the night. 😂

But they're still right there, you know? 🤣I just have zero interest in dragging out this totally lifeless, pointless debate. 🤣
briskeagle39 briskeagle39 Member
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#16 ·
Jamie Long49 said:The point remains...🤣 I just have absolutely zero interest in dragging out this sterile debate...🤣

Trust me, you're better off 😉
Douglas Ramos2 Douglas Ramos2 Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
Jamie Long49 said:Infectious mononucleosis affects both kids and adults. It spreads through saliva.
I was just explaining how we talk about it here. It's a viral disease. Happy now?

Right... yeah... and once the virus realizes it's entered an adult's body, it just gives up immediately.👍
Maybe take it down a notch... this is actually a serious topic... and if you don't really know what you're talking about or don't have anything helpful to add, it's probably better to just stay quiet... go hang out with Gen Z instead.
Oh, and thanks for the info... I never would have guessed that mono was a viral thing spread by spit.
amberheron62 amberheron62 Member
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#18 ·
Jamie Long49 said:We’ve got a massive terminology mix-up happening here. How on earth can iron levels go up
while hemoglobin is actually dropping? Can someone please make sense of this for me?

It’s hemolysis, plain and simple. Red blood cells are breaking down way too fast, dumping all that iron from the decomposing hemoglobin, but the body just can't churn out new ones quickly enough to keep pace with the chaos.
The confusion usually stems from people treating anemia (which is basically a shortage of red blood cells or hemoglobin) as if it’s always just an iron deficiency. Honestly, even some doctors fall into this trap! They see an anemic kid, skip the deep-dive testing, and just start pumping them with iron supplements—but most of that iron just ends up getting stored away instead of actually helping.
Linda Gonzalez16 Linda Gonzalez16 Member
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#19 ·
Jamie Long49 said:We’ve got a major terminology glitch here. How on earth does iron go up
while hemoglobin is dropping? Can someone make sense of that for me?

Just my two cents—it could totally be sideroblastic anemia...
Sam Hall15 Sam Hall15 Active Member
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#20 ·
hm... it is much like managing sideroblastican anemia where iron loss is the primary concern... and please, everyone, don't let those little interruptions get to you; even a stubborn soul feels the need to prove themselves occasionally 😁

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