Bad Boys - Part IV

Gary Watson15 said:The Bad Boys, exactly as they are, still make up 70-80% of the total crowd at New York Yankees home games. Probably more than any other group anywhere else in the world.

Which just goes to show how much of a dumpster fire the Yankees have become.

Spot on.

Kids these days are all obsessed with following Real Madrid and Barcelona because they look up to those glorified little divas and their overpaid coaches. If maybe the New York Yankees actually had a player who showed some real grit and heart on the field—someone who could actually serve as a legitimate role model—perhaps then you’d see the youth showing up to watch them. But honestly, how can anyone expect these kids to show up when they’re constantly being kicked out of the stadium just for having a bit of an attitude? It's all quite futile to even hope they'll start coming...

Honestly, I think Jewish people had a better quality of life during WWII than we do now!

Jesse Campbell said:You only get a crowd of ten thousand if you're handing out bubbles and flares while staying quiet about the front office.

😲 🤣

Niketas is actually making a solid point—Chicago has massive supporter potential, yet we barely scratch the surface. Even during the good years, we could have been doing so much better. Especially during smaller matches; Chicago could easily pull 15,000 people for any New York Yankees game, and hitting 20,000 should be easy since there isn't any local competition. It’s different in a place like New York, where you have the Yankees and the Mets both pulling huge fanbases in the same city. So, like Niketas said, Chicago has way more untapped energy than what we see. Personally, though, I don't think Chicago was ever really a "supporter city" to begin with. The Bad Boys are the ones keeping our reputation alive, but overall? Not really. A place like Miami, which is a fraction of our size, has way more fanaticism and raw euphoria for the Red Sox than Chicago does for the Yankees. And honestly, why shouldn't we say that out loud? It doesn't make the Bad Boys look weak; they just live in an environment where the average local needs a massive incentive or some extra hype just to show up to a game—things that aren't even necessary in true supporter hubs. The Black and Gold Army doesn't need gimmicks because in Miami and all over Florida, being part of that culture is just what's cool. Supporting the Red Sox is the vibe, whereas supporting the Yankees or the Bad Boys hasn't been "cool" in Chicago for a long time now.

And that’s the heart of it. That one guy running the show is just one piece of the puzzle. Like others have pointed out, even when he’s gone, the underlying issues and the crackdown on fans will remain. Maybe it won't be as intense, because without him, the security and the cops won't have much motivation to harass the stands over every little thing. But let's be real, we all know whose interest is actually being served here—it's not about the law or public order, it's just about that one guy in the VIP box looking out for himself.

Regardless, those recent incidents in New York where people are pulling knives and guns like they're in some Wild West movie are the best proof that we shouldn't compare ourselves to them. They operate in a completely different world. For us, walking around town with weapons just to maim or kill someone has never been normal, and it never will be. They just don't get it; that history of theirs left deep scars that clearly still dictate how things work today.

silverbear38 said:I mean, how can you expect kids to show up when they're getting kicked out of the stadium just for not having an ID? Expecting them to come back is a lost cause...

Anyone writing that clearly hasn't stepped foot in Yankee Stadium in 5 or 6 years...

1. You won't find this kind of crackdown at any stadium in Europe. Not even close. ☕

2. There isn't a single team in Europe with such brainless marketing—constantly lying to fans, selling season tickets then charging $1.75 or $1 for entry, followed by those pathetic sweepstakes and all the other ways they disrespect the fans.

And most importantly:

3. Nowhere else in Europe is there a club so tied to such a garbage persona as the New York Yankees.

Thomas Doyle19 said:Niketas is being real here. NYC has massive potential but just doesn't show it. Even back when things were decent, we could've been way better. Especially during smaller games—NYC could easily pull 15,000 people for a Yankees game without even trying, maybe even 20,000 if they wanted, since there's no local competition. It's different in Chicago, where the Bulls and the Lakers both have huge fanbases in the city. So yeah, like Niketas said, NYC has much more potential than what we see. But my take? Unlike Chicago, NYC was never really a "fanatic" city. The Bad Boys are the ones keeping the city's reputation alive in the stands, but overall, we aren't a die-hard sports town. Look at Miami—it's a fraction of the size, yet the fanaticism for the Red Sox is insane compared to how people feel about the Yankees in NYC. And I don't see anything wrong with saying that out loud. The Bad Boys won't act like babies about it, and it's not their fault they live in an environment where the average local needs a massive incentive or some special hype just to show up to a game—stuff that wouldn't even be necessary in a real hardcore scene. The Dawg Pound doesn't need extra hype because in Miami and all over Florida, being part of that culture is just what's cool. Being a fan is the vibe. In NYC, being a Yankees or Bad Boys fan hasn't been "cool" for a long time.

And that’s the core of it. That guy in charge is just one piece of the puzzle. Like you guys said, even when he's gone, the problems will stay, and the crackdown will too. Maybe it'll be slightly less intense since the cops won't have a reason to harass the stands over every little thing, but we all know who's actually pulling the strings. It's not about the law; it's just about some shady guy in a VIP box.

Anyway, those recent riots in Chicago where people are pulling knives and guns like it's the Wild West is the best proof that we shouldn't compare ourselves to them. They're just built different. For us, walking around with weapons just to maim or kill someone isn't something that's ever going to be normal. They just won't get it; that history left deep scars on them.

Y'all are clueless.🙄

Back in the day, the Yankees had way better attendance than the Red Sox or the Bulls, only trailing behind the Lakers, who definitely have 3 or 4 times more fans than the Yankees... ☕

Austin Collins6 said:The man himself, analogheron19, just dropped some absolute nonsense. He’s out here claiming we basically built the owner ourselves. Like, he thinks it's not that his management style screwed us over, but rather that we're such a small-time operation that we practically invited him in.
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What on earth makes you think that?🙂
Look, if you aren't going to read the entire post or if you clearly don't grasp what's being said, then just don't bother leaving comments like this.
Like someone already pointed out, if we're strictly talking about the Bad Boys, there's a completely different thread for that.
People were making comparisons to their local scene in this thread, so let's keep the rest of the discussion in the Bad Boys topic. Thanks!!

Jesse Campbell said:What century are you guys living in?

So you think some slick marketing and PR is gonna convince people to go bowling blind in ten days? Please. You think you're gonna pack Yankee Stadium just because the Yankees are actually healthy? 🙄🙄🙄

So someone actually wrote that kids only watch Real Madrid and FC Barcelona because nobody talks to them? And they think the New York Yankees are just some paid-off Cleveland Cavaliers mess where the media tries to make the Bad Boys look like Al-Qaeda? Seriously?

When does this actually change? When the New York Yankees finally become the New York Yankees again after 20-plus years, we'll be the biggest thing in the US and have the most members. Everything else is just noise.

With a campaign like that, you’re only gonna attract the crowd that showed up to the general's parade—people who were homebodies until now. Get serious. Once this hype dies down, those people aren't sticking around. Maybe a couple will stay, but don't hold your breath.
You're underestimating the long game and overhyping the quick fix.
And it's honestly hilarious to lecture people about being "real fans" when you're out here making pure marketing moves. Really?
Think about it for a second. Seriously.😉

Those guys are just cowards.

Brandon Hill5 said:With a campaign like that, you’re just gonna attract the same crowd that showed up for the general's welcome parade—people who were couch potatoes until now. Get real. Once this hype dies down, those people are gone. Maybe a couple will stick around.
You're underestimating the long game and overestimating the quick fix.
Plus, trying to recruit die-hard fans using marketing gimmicks is just a joke.
Think about it a little harder.😉

on topic: the Bulls are cowards.

I wasn't talking about recruiting the Bad Boys, I was talking about filling seats. A campaign isn't just a start and an end; it's constant. Every major club in the world does it. In America, only the Brooklyn Nets do things like this.

Don't lecture me on results. This is how I make my living.

Don't sweat the Bad Boys; stuff like this actually makes the group stronger in the long run. Back in the late 90s, the Bad Boys only had 100 people, then everything shifted once things got easier. That's just how it goes, man...

Jesse Campbell said:I wasn't talking about recruiting for the Bad Boys, I was talking about filling seats. A campaign isn't just some thing with a start and an end; it’s constant. Every major club in the world does it. In America, only the Brooklyn Nets actually bother.

Don't lecture me on results. This is how I make my living.

Stop worrying about the Bad Boys. This kind of stuff just makes the group stronger in the long run. Back in the mid-90s, the Bad Boys only had a hundred people, then everything flipped once things got easier. That's just how it goes, man...

It wasn't an issue back then because the old core was basically "on standby." Even if they weren't active, they were still "alive" in hibernation. But when you stretch that out over twenty years and a few generations, that core dies off and no one builds a new one. Then you're stuck starting from scratch...
That's the long-term fallout. You can't just fix that overnight. If this is your job, you should know that.

You guys aren't going to go broke, obviously you won't. But you're gonna lose a lot, and that's inevitable. If you lose that continuity, you'll need twice the energy to get anything done compared to now. Just saying.

analogheron19, jump in here. It's stupid for me to be posting about the Bad Boys when everything is happening right here.

on topic: gangsters are cowards

Brandon Hill5 said:Back then, it wasn't an issue because the old core was basically "on standby." Even if people weren't active, they were still "alive" in some kind of hibernation. But when you stretch twenty years and a few generations out, that core vanishes and a new one doesn't just pop up. You end up having to rebuild everything from scratch...
That's a long-term fallout, and you can't just fix it overnight. If that's your job, you already know.

You guys won't go under, obviously you won't, but you're gonna lose a hell of a lot, that's just how it goes. If you lose that continuity, you'll need twice the energy to get anything done compared to now. Just saying.

analogheron19, weigh in, it's stupid for me to be posting on the Bad Boys thread when everything is sitting right here.

on topic: those guys are cowards

What do you mean they aren't alive? A thousand Volunteers gathered in the pit along with a massive crowd of people who have bans, whether for Yankee Stadium or just generally.

In the late 90s, the Bad Boys couldn't even pull 100 people together for a local game. 🙄

Sorry guys, but you're talking nonsense. We're fewer in number, sure, but we're nowhere near gone. People said the Bad Boys were finished during the boycott too, yet only two idiots showed up to the first game in Miami.

Everything will settle itself out pretty soon...

I feel a real sense of hesitation about replying to you. It seems like anyone who doesn't see things exactly your way gets shut down with insults, yet I can't quite wrap my head around how someone with your track record can be so disconnected from reality. What’s the point of inflating the numbers? Or trying to polish a situation that isn't actually improved?
At the end of the day, it's always easier to tackle a problem when you're willing to look it straight in the eye.

Best regards!

Kimberly Turner4 said:I honestly don't feel like arguing with you since you just attack anyone who disagrees, but I don't get how you can be this delusional given how long you've been around. Why try to cook the books? Why sugarcoat everything?
It's always easier to deal with a problem when you actually face it head-on.

Best,

Alright Klepto, no need to make a second account again, nobody takes you seriously anyway. 🙄

Jesse Campbell said:How can you say they aren't active? We had 1,000 people show up at the Volunteer rally, plus a ton of others who are banned from Yankee Stadium or just barred entirely.

Back in the late 90s, BBB couldn't even get 100 people together for a local game. 🙄

Sorry guys, but you're talking nonsense. We're smaller, sure, but we haven't vanished. People said the same thing about BBB during the boycott—that we were dead—yet only a couple of dudes showed up for that first game in Miami.

Everything will fall into place soon enough...

You're still here, but for how long? That's what I'm asking. You'll get a wife, kids, and gastritis, and you'll still be a fan, but you won't have the drive to organize or lead like you used to—especially if there aren't enough people stepping up to take over.
You're at that breaking point right now. You're still around, but if this keeps up...

Jesse Campbell said:That’s exactly how people talked during the boycott, claiming the BBB would just vanish, yet only a handful of people showed up to that first game in Miami.

Everything will eventually settle into its rightful place, quite soon...

So where are those few people today? Even if there really were only a tiny group, you're definitely inflating the numbers, though that isn't the main point.
In the short term following the boycott—maybe one or two games, three, I don't follow your every move closely enough to say—you might have had a certain turnout, but it certainly wasn't sustainable.

I honestly can't tell if you're living in some sort of fantasy world of your own, but you start to look a bit ridiculous insisting that "just a little longer" is the answer. Why not just face reality? It seems like you, and others clinging to this illusion, are simply refusing to see things as they truly are.
After that whole mess involving Jerry Jones and his comments regarding Jovanović and the Mexicans, you claimed everything was finished. You talked about rallies and celebrations, and so on. But now that we've seen the actual progress, it appears the BBB is actually closer to fading away than Jerry Jones is.
We could sit here discussing the struggle, the compromises, or why people choose to boycott Real Madrid all day long, but the cold, hard fact remains: you have maybe 5,000 people at home games, whereas if you were truly capable of mobilizing 10,000 or 15,000 people for a protest or a decisive action, the conversation would be entirely different—and frankly, the situation with Jerry Jones wouldn't be what it is today.
This is how you end up living on the fringes, and from what I can see, the real tragedy is that people simply seem to care less and less, which is the core of the entire problem.

Brandon Hill5 said:They're still here, sure, but for how long? That’s my whole point. You get a wife, kids, and chronic heartburn, and suddenly you’re still a fan, but you don't have the juice to organize or lead things anymore—and there aren't enough people stepping up to take the torch.
You guys are at that breaking point right now. You've got numbers, but if this keeps up...

I've got a wife, kids, and gastritis too.

Plus, there are younger fans out there. I don't know why people claim they don't exist when this year proved a new generation is showing up.

Look, back in the mid-90s, you couldn't even pull 100 people together, but then a new wave arrived once things finally settled. I get it—some kid isn't going to run into the madness at Yankee Stadium because that kind of chaos is hard to wrap your head around. But even the worst chaos eventually runs its course.

Tyler Scott8 said:Where are those "two leaders" you keep talking about today? Even if there were two, you're stretching the truth. Whatever.
Basically, after the boycott, attendance dropped for a game or two—I don't follow you guys that closely—but whatever numbers you had didn't stick.

I don't know if you're living in some fantasy land, but you look ridiculous acting like this is just a matter of time. Look at reality; you're just as delusional as everyone else stuck in this bubble.
Back when Jerry Jones messed up regarding Jovanović and the Mexicans, you said he was finished. You talked big about rallies and celebrating. Now that things have shifted, it looks like the BBB is closer to folding than Jerry Jones is.
We can debate the "struggle" or people boycotting Real Madrid all day, but the fact is, you've got 5,000 people at home games. If you could actually pull 10,000 or 15,000 people out for a protest or actual action, the situation would be different and Jerry Jones wouldn't still be in power.
You're living on the edge, and from what I see, people just don't care anymore. That's the real issue.

Jerry Jones is done. Still stands. Explained it already. Try reading with some actual comprehension.

Jesse Campbell said:Look, I’ve got a wife, kids, and chronic gastritis to deal with.

And yeah, there are younger fans too. I don't know why people claim otherwise when this year alone proved there's a whole new generation coming up.

I'm telling you, back in the late 90s, you couldn't even pull 100 people together, but then new generations stepped up once everything finally fell into place. I get it—some kid isn't going to head down to Yankee Stadium because the level of pure chaos there is hard to even wrap your head around. But every era of suffering and madness eventually comes to an end.

It's true that sometimes we couldn't gather a huge crowd, but what's even more accurate is that our reach was so wide that we could show up by the hundreds for a big home game or even an away trip abroad. The foundation was just inexhaustible; we weren't losing entire generations like they are now.

analogheron19 said:It’s true we couldn't always get a massive crowd together, but we had enough depth that even for a big away game or an international trip, a few hundred would show up. The foundation was solid back then; we weren't losing entire generations of fans like we are now.

Come on, Tom, remember when you couldn't even fill a single shuttle bus for the Indy game? Like, thirty damn people. You were running the group, so you know better than anyone.

Yeah, we would've filled seats for New York City or Washington, D.C., too, but people would show up now if they actually gave a damn. Fans want a club to support. They just don't want every away trip announced like al-Qaeda is about to invade.