Bad Boys - Part IV

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I feel like I’m asking this for the tenth time now... is it actually possible for one person to pick up multiple tickets without needing everyone else's ID on hand? Can I just use my own Social Security number or some other identification digits to cover the whole group?

It’s not possible; you have to have the documentation.

Jesse Doyle3 said:No way, you need ID.

Hmm, I picked up three tickets for some international soccer matches without showing any ID. I mean, I had my driver's license on me, but the other two guys didn't really have anything...

Jesse Doyle3 said:No way, you still need to show ID.

Is anyone else thinking about how if this becomes the norm, those vouchers won't even matter anymore?
I mean, they're just asking for the same damn info at the ticket counter that they ask for on the vouchers anyway...

Are we really going to spend all Sunday celebrating some "victory" over the system just because we bypassed the voucher thing by showing our IDs at the booth?

What's the actual win here? Nothing. We're still stuck right in the middle of the system...

Tickets for the West Stand are reserved exclusively for members of Real Madrid, provided they present a valid membership card at the gate.

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We already know what next year's derby announcement is going to look like:

Tickets for the match will be available exclusively to the Mamić family members upon presentation of a valid ID.

Noah Scott18 said:If you're looking to snag tickets for the West Stand, just a heads-up... you can only grab them through... members Just show up at the Real Madrid stadium with your membership card in hand... that's all they want. Simple enough, right? Just bring the ID and you're in...

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What they’re pulling right now is straight-up anti-American... I mean, seriously, how is it even legal? No regular Real Madrid fan can even grab a ticket for the West Stand unless they’re an official club member first. Like, where does this madness end? It's getting ridiculous... 🙂 🙂

Christian Jones said:What they’re doing is totally illegal. No other Real Madrid fan can even grab a ticket for the West Stand unless they’re a dues-paying member. I mean, how far can these people actually go...? 🙂 🙂

Hope they aren't planning some bullshit over on the East Side too.

Jacob Price23 said:Wondering if they’re cooking up some drama out East.

Obviously. That's the play—keep the oil flowing out East until someone decides to drop a match.

Whether they're fighting each other or dealing with the feds, they come out on top...

And it doesn't stop there... the VIP boxes are right there on the West side, practically touching the stands. There’s almost zero barrier if a large enough group decides to storm them. Honestly, you could tell he was shaking in his boots, which is pretty pathetic considering he’s supposed to be this big-shot veteran from one of the most elite units in the American military.

You can try to rationalize it, but honestly, it’s just disgraceful. If they actually enforced that illegal provision, we’d be looking at maybe 200 people out West; instead, they’re going to fracture another 2,000 citizens just to suit their own interests. It’s sickening, really—this feels ten times worse than anything we dealt with back in the 90s.

wearyraven25 said:Is anyone else considering the possibility that if this becomes the standard procedure, those vouchers won't even be necessary?
At the end of the day, aren't they just collecting the exact same data through vouchers as they would right at the checkout counter?

Are we really going to celebrate bypassing the system this Sunday if we just end up buying our tickets at the box office by showing our ID instead?

What does that actually achieve for us? Absolutely nothing, because we are still firmly operating within the system itself.

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No matter how you look at it, you’re part of the system, and once they flag you during an away game, you're stuck. Anyone traveling to away games is essentially on their radar, just waiting for some excuse to hand out a ban. And honestly? They’ll probably just say, "Great, one less person to deal with." Realistically, that's how it goes.

Just play it smart this Sunday.

Anthony Barrett37 said:We already know the announcement for next year's derby:

Tickets for the match can only be purchased by members of the Mamić family upon presentation of a valid ID card.

So why don't those exact same people get a vote to decide who actually runs the club or who gets to decide who's allowed in the stadium... damn these old-school nostalgics.

I’ve been running in this system for over 17 or 18 years now... at this point, you just get used to the grind.
Between the whole voucher system—where you have to sign up for away games days in advance—and those times I’ve just decided to head out on a whim, maybe leaving for an away match only two or three hours before kickoff, it's always a headache. Add in the police shoving cameras right in your face, demanding ID, and running endless, pointless checks at gas stations, toll booths, downtown, or right at the stadium gates, not to mention being held after the final whistle... how could anyone not be against this voucher nonsense? That’s why we’re ALL heading to the East Side!!!

I already laid this out in the Ultras thread; when I say you're "in the system," I don't mean you're on some official watchlist, because let’s face it, anyone who’s ever been ID'd or picked up by the cops is technically in the system...
You're part of their machine if you play by their rules—if you ditch the vouchers and just hand over your driver's license at the gate.
So what's the actual difference?
It isn't just a mess, it's a total disaster...

Now I know what you're all going to ask: what's the alternative?
Sure, an alternative exists, but whether it's actually doable or if we'd all just suffocate in our own struggle is a question that splits my ten closest friends—the guys I go to games with—right down the middle, and even then, there wouldn't be any consensus among different fan groups or factions within them.

I think you BBB guys know better than anyone how hard it was to try a boycott, only to realize in the end that boycotting doesn't solve much, especially since some people feel that by staying away from the stadium, we basically gave the mob exactly what they wanted.
Without judging your fight, I honestly think there's way more room for progress if every single group joins in a total boycott.

First off, a unified front from every group carries way more weight than just one group making noise through the media, the leaders, or even just dealing with their own internal screw-ups and reputation...
Second, a fight involving a boycott needs to have a clear strategy and leadership.
We need to hit them with everything legal—lawyers, lawsuits, pointing out the violation of constitutional rights and freedom of movement, highlighting how they pull up old misdemeanor or criminal records from ten years ago even when the law says otherwise, and exposing those illegal blacklists...
We should look at examples from other countries, like how membership cards in Italy actually lowered attendance, or how they legalized pyrotechnics in Norway, and make sure the public knows about that.

That's a real fight, a long-term battle where the peak won't just be a few pieces of graffiti or some defiant chanting in the stands; it's a fight that requires sacrifice, because watching your own club on TV every single weekend isn't exactly easy.

But what else is left? Just hand over your info and buy a ticket?
If that's the plan, then there shouldn't have been all that hype about the voucher system in the first place.

And look, if everything fails, the underground option is always there, provided people are ready for it.
And after a few years of going underground, you either face being shut down entirely, or in the best-case scenario, you end up with something similar to the Spanish scene.

Nathan Foster23 said:Look at it any way you want, you're stuck in the system. Once they put your name on an away list, you're done. Anyone traveling for games is already marked; those bureaucrats are just idling, waiting for a single excuse to slap you with a ban. And they’ll probably celebrate it—one less headache for them, right?

Just play it smart this Sunday.

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Not long ago, I got picked up at the station before a game for what they called an "informational" chat. 🤣
After sitting there for half an hour listening to a conversation that lacked even a shred of logic, they flatly told me: you're a registered fan. No context, nothing. It was like being added to a registry for some heinous crime just because I show up to games.

As I was leaving the room, some absolute piece of work with a smug little smirk tossed one last comment my way: we'll make sure you cool off from all these games soon enough. 🙂

That’s why I’m telling you: be smart. Swallow your pride if you have to and don't take the bait. They are just sitting there rubbing their hands together, praying for the slightest provocation. The better you behave, the more they lose their grip. 😉

Look, for everyone's sake, just lock this sub until Monday, please. (And same goes for the Yellow Mite crowd over by the Bad Boys)

We all know what's going on. There’s zero point in posting details here—no one needs to know the who, what, where, when, or how.

Use your heads. See you out there.