Bad Boys

Mark Carter10 said:🤣
I don't get it. The two main goals were the elections and getting Jerry Jones out of the club.
So tell me, what did they actually achieve?
Jerry Jones stays on as an advisor, and what about those elections?? They're happening today. 👏🙏
Would you really rather see a packed North Stand than have a club with integrity where the fans are actually fighting for the team they love?
Why boycott Liverpool FC vs. St. Louis City SC, or Liverpool FC vs. Indianapolis, or even the big derby back in '09? Isn't the true fan mentality about seeing a full stadium, even if we're all just yelling at each other?
Why bother with a code of conduct when it was better to just live by "Liverpool FC lives forever"?

Fan mentality 🙂 groups outside the stadium

The whole point was getting Jerry Jones out, and the election was just the legal way to make that happen. He's out of the club now, and the officiating changes are coming soon—so how can he be some "advisor"? He just dragged this out so he wouldn't have to admit he was stepping down.

Mark Carter10 said:the group outside the stadium

🤦. maybe they've been working behind the scenes for six years now. I guess if they come back, it's just because they want to fight for elections

there's a lot of info in the press release, you just have to read it carefully:
" We are coming back because we feel an obligation to fight for changes within our club. Real Madrid belongs to its fans, and our struggle won't end until there are clear criteria for selecting the club's leadership—criteria that actually satisfy the majority of the Real Madrid faithful from every section of the stands.

Adam Jackson86 said:The whole damn point was just to get Jerry Jones out of the club, and using the elections as a legal way to make that happen was the play. Now Jerry Jones is supposedly gone from the club, and the officiating drama is about to kick off too, so how can anyone call him some useless advisor? He's just spinning this whole story to save face so he doesn't look like he's actually stepping down.

He's "out" of the club, sure, yet there he is sitting right in the UEFA headquarters during the Champions League group stage draw! 🤣🤣🤣

The biggest lie and most pathetic deception is hiding behind a collective decision when it was actually just a few individuals pulling the strings under the guise of "the group decided"...
But I guess that’s just easier for most people, isn't it? Just avoids the whole hassle of actually using their brains and forming an actual opinion.

There is no middle ground here.
Until the very last man stands...

Good luck!

It seems the group completely overlooked those who actually made the final call. Honestly, if everyone had just followed the advice coming out of Miami, we wouldn't be in this position; it’s hard enough to catch one's breath without being suffocated by everyone's sudden burst of moral superiority.
I have nothing but respect for what was achieved with Liverpool FC, but this constant lecturing from you all is starting to feel less like criticism and more like pure delusion.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:The whole group completely missed the mark regarding those who made the final call. It would have been much better if everyone had simply followed the advice coming out of Miami, yet you all stay silent. Honestly, one can hardly breathe under the weight of your collective moral superiority...
I tip my hat to what was done for Liverpool FC, but this constant lecturing from your side is starting to border on pure delusion...

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wearyraven25 said:The biggest scam out there is hiding behind the phrase "the group decided" just to justify choices made by a handful of people.
But I guess that’s the easy way out for most—avoiding the effort of actually thinking for themselves or forming an opinion.

There's no middle ground here.
To the bitter end...

Good luck.

You guys are worse than any traitorous mob; the guys hate you more than anyone else ever could.

slyeagle512 said:You guys are worse than any traitorous hack out there. The fans hate you more than anyone else.

That’s exactly how you played from Athens all the way to Washington, D.C.👍

jadeowl8 said:you demonstrated that from Athens all the way to Washington, D.C.👍

your last European trip that wasn't purely for tourism

Those of you high-minded types can certainly continue your posturing in your own thread. ☕

Thanks

It is quite interesting how one thing goes unnoticed.

Back when The 12th Man was at its absolute lowest ebb—when we were essentially hitting rock bottom—we were suddenly "the strongest force on the internet." Now, the exact same pattern is playing out with you people.

Good luck, and may you reach the finish line.

Mark Carter10 said:🤣
I honestly don't get it—their two main goals were supposed to be the elections and getting Jerry Jones out of the club organization.
So, tell me, what have they actually achieved?
Jerry Jones stays on as an advisor, and the elections?? Well, look at the state of things today. 👏 🙏
Is it really more important to you to see the North Stand packed than to have a club with actual integrity and a group fighting for the soul of their beloved team?
Why boycott Liverpool FC vs. St. Louis City SC, or Liverpool FC vs. Indianapolis, or even that 2009 derby, if your idea of "fan mentality" is just seeing a full stadium while everyone just shouts insults at one another?
Why bother with a code of conduct when it was supposedly better to just chant "Long live Liverpool" and call it a day?

Fan mentality 🙂 groups standing outside the club

You're taking my words out of context and putting things in my mouth that I never said. Read what was actually written one more time. The phrase "those who want to will understand..." was referring to how they perceive our reactions, and specifically to the nonsense written by that other user. Essentially, it was about how our group finds it strange that after everything, nobody from that losing side gets to sit at the table—which, frankly, provided some excellent ammunition for fan banter. To which, they responded by questioning our very loyalty and fan mentality.
I never wrote what you're implying, nor do I think that way. I have always had—and still have—a fair amount of respect for their past struggles. I am not privy to the specifics of the negotiations, and I don't know—as none of us do right now—how that fight will play out moving forward. That is precisely why I don't want to prematurely spook them or write them off. That’s all.

Jesse Collins47 said:

Honestly, I just feel bad for those 130 thugs who weren't hanging around near the salad bar during the Dinamo futsal match. If they were, I bet they’d have been flattened like a pancake within ten minutes. But hey, it is what it is. This whole provocation thing is ridiculous. They’re doing this specifically so the guys who bleed for this club aren't treated like pushovers by anyone—especially not by our "neighbors." People are attacking those partisan types, and the whole country is condemning them. If they hadn't attacked, the narrative would just be "you guys don't have the guts" or "you're just hitting kids," whatever. To be honest, I couldn't care less what those scumbags over by the border think about any of this. My only regret is that the police didn't pick up those thugs a little sooner; if they had, I think an ambulance would've been needed instead of just a squad car. Let them spread their myths; they'll run into us eventually. Until then, let them talk all they want. Even the people acting all high and mighty now, lecturing us on how the group should act—the group does what's best for itself, not for some clueless public that condemns violence against Mexicans while ignoring how half the capital was wiped out by communists back in '45. I haven't seen any idiots crying for beaten Mexicans then, and I don't see them crying for their own countrymen killed by those communist thugs now. That's my take. We live in a sick country where everything normal is despised and everything twisted is glorified. That's why you can't just get rid of guys like Mamić easily. Kudos to Torcida for some things, but they should mind their own business. It’s like us commenting on how they founded the New York Yankees or their relationship with the front office—that's strictly their business. The Chicago Blackhawks have been at war with every possible management for 30 years, and those battles left more scars on the leaders than any clashes with rival fans ever did. And don't get me started on the lunatics claiming the Blackhawks recruit through wars with management. Man, there isn't a single fan group out there that spends its entire existence fighting its own club. There were only a few years back when things weren't in total conflict with those idiots, and now some people expect the Blackhawks to spend the next 30 years fighting for the club while constantly banging their heads against a wall. I think enough is enough, and it's time for a change in tactics. I was all for the boycott, but I have to say it became counterproductive for both the club and the group over time. It was meant to be a temporary way to grab the media's attention regarding the club's state, but that ended long ago. The group suffered because of it. It led to getting trashed in Athens and those thugs breaking into the stadium. If things had played out differently, the outcome of those attacks wouldn't have been the same. So, if you want to be a pushover, go ahead. I don't see why the Blackhawks would allow anyone to do that, especially since the group has already gained so much clout under its name. It's time to end this. You can't win the fight for Dinamo through a boycott. All those moralizing types can keep their opinions to themselves; a boycott isn't for self-satisfaction, and it's definitely not helpful for the group because it kills off "fresh blood." That's it from me. Time will tell if this was the right move, but personally, I think it was. The current situation is unsustainable. We could see similar issues with other players soon, and no group would tolerate that—so why would the Blackhawks? Why should they be the only fools without a future, just like the haters say? People should try to change things for the better. Is it a sin to say that things are a mess right now and something needs to change so we actually get results? That's the heart of it, not whether someone took money from the front office. What was stopping them from taking the money earlier if that was the goal? Did they get a better deal later? I can only say that if "the boys" had taken the money offered before, even the thugs couldn't compete with the scale of their choreographies. But it's easier to be an agent than an ultra. When you're an ultra, you live a certain lifestyle, and you don't back down regardless of the consequences. That's why the Blackhawks are clean; they can look themselves in the mirror. Those who sold out for pocket change? History will remember them like the partisans. For them, being loyal to the leader is more important than the club itself. They are people without ideals who can be bought for pennies. If it wasn't for those traitors throughout history, do you really think we would have made it through 1991 with weapons and a state? Do you think the opposition wouldn't have moved the way they did if we didn't have "anti-fascists" everywhere? Think about it. It's the same with the Blackhawks—always the scumbags and mediocrities causing the most damage, all under the guise of the "greater good." Just like the old partisans did, and still do, these "mercenaries" operate the same way. That's why I call them partisans. Only a partisan fights against his own blood. Anyway, peace out, and who knows when or where we'll meet again.

hahaha, after seeing that, I’m definitely not reading anything else today. Honestly, if they sent 100 of them to sit in your section, you guys would be blessed! 🤣🤣

Dennis Davis97 said:...which ...

...look, the guy's just a man, not some kind of deity. And when you see someone rocking a weed leaf as their profile pic, you already know exactly what kind of vibe their posts are gonna have. Honestly, I don't even know why anyone bothers looking at this stuff, it's pretty clear people are just trolling for kicks at this point...

Thomas Williams59 said:...the man isn't some deity. Honestly, who even has a joint as their profile picture? It explains the tone of the post perfectly. I don't know why anyone bothers responding at this point; clearly, someone is just looking for cheap thrills...

And then there are all sorts of people like us 😁😁

Look, I'm just calling for some peace 🙂 😁

vividotter40 said:It’s funny how people tend to miss one specific thing.

Back when the Black and Gold Army was at its absolute lowest point—when we were basically nothing—we were supposedly "unbeatable" on the internet. I suppose the same pattern is playing out now with you people. It's almost predictable, really.

Good luck, I guess. Go get the win.

Brilliant. 😁

Dennis Davis97 said:hahahaha after this there's nothing left to read, honestly they probably sent 100 people to your section, thank God🤣🤣

The thing is, you can't just mobilize a massive crowd on game day if your own team isn't even playing, right? I mean, if those Yankees guys decided to storm a San Francisco game, would you think you could pull 500 people together instantly? No way. What does the Bad Boys have to do with a random basketball game? It's silly to act like the Bad Boys need to have full mobilization power on a day when their club isn't even facing the Yankees. And let's be real, those Yankees fans didn't used to show up to games much anyway. All that stuff about them not following the regional league is just a distraction—they’re tacticians, I guess. They go for the element of surprise and it works for them now, but one day they'll run into someone like the futsal crew and get absolutely wrecked. 🎉

And all this talk about how thousands of Bad Boys should have been hunting those Yankees through the streets that day... it's just ridiculous. Everyone knows, including the Yankees fans, what’s been going down in Chicago over the years. That's exactly why they showed up. There wasn't a better moment for them to pull this stunt than right now. If they had tried this ten years ago, I bet they would've been shut down immediately. Back then, half the city was ready to jump in alongside the Bad Boys, but now? Honestly, fewer and fewer people seem to give a damn. Even people who used to be active don't care about the Yankees anymore. The focus just shifted. So then you wonder why the Bad Boys are heading back to the stands? The main reason is that we can't let it happen where some Yankee group can just swagger through any part of Chicago without anyone giving a second thought. You need to stop acting shocked that the Bad Boys are returning to the stands. They're coming back so nobody can just strut around the city however they want, and specifically so those Yankees can't spend thirty minutes posing and acting out some weird fantasy in our streets. If they had stayed in the same spot longer without the police reacting, they probably would've been jumped. The Bad Boys used to cover every corner of the city, but they couldn't even do that when more people were active, let alone now that the boycott has thinned out the crowd. Think back to the handball situation or what happened with the Boston Celtics. Do you really think the Yankees would have dared to crash in if the Bad Boys hadn't shown up instantly to confront the police? I think they would have. Because back then, there were thousands of people ready to move. Now, by the time a few hundred people gather, the cops have already picked up the Yankees, and then everyone starts talking about the breach in NYC and those weird antics. You idiots will complain about how the Yankees played us, and then act surprised when we break the boycott and head back. Seriously, make up your minds and stop trying to manage the Bad Boys for them. Personally, I know the Bad Boys could handle those Yankees easily, so I don't really care what they say. If things had been more predictable, they would've ended up worse off than our guys did in Athens. That's my point. You guys can keep analyzing and talking about whatever you want. And don't act like we're "falling" by returning. Neither you nor those Yankees would ever allow yourselves to sink that low just to fight against organized crime, I'm certain of it. So you and the Yankees are probably the last people on Earth who should be lecturing the Bad Boys on their capabilities. We should just mock them on the internet. We should mock them because they live for compromises. If the Bad Boys lived like that, the Athens thing wouldn't have happened, and the Yankees wouldn't have been able to invade Chicago without serious consequences. That's the whole point. Go ahead, keep talking. I'm done with these debates; they're just stupid.

Thomas Williams59, look, just mind your own business and give me a wide berth. Just because I've had a few drinks doesn't mean I'm an idiot or that I don't get how things work.

The issue is that whenever teams from the outskirts come to play in Chicago or the suburbs—like when the New York Red Bulls faced the New York Yankees a few years back—the police label the match high-risk. This means they end up tracking down anyone with even a minor record of fan activity the day before. A buddy and I actually had to head down to the precinct just to sign statements promising we wouldn't show up... It’s similar to what happened after that handball game against the Boston Celtics, where they practically hauled half the city in for "questioning." I even saw them sitting there with folders full of photos, documenting everyone...

Jesse Collins47 said:The point is you cannot mobilize a massive crowd on a day when your own team isn't even playing. If the New York Yankees decided to storm the Rose Bowl on a day when San Francisco wasn't playing, do you think you could rally 500 people instantly? No way. What does the Bad Boys have to do with a basketball game? It is nonsense to suggest the Bad Boys should have full mobilization capacity for a Yankees game. Besides, we know those Yankees fans haven't historically shown up to these games; all their talk about boycotting the league is just a tactical distraction. They are excellent tacticians who rely on surprise, and while it works now, they will eventually run into someone like the futsal crew and pay the price. 🎉

And this idea that thousands of Bad Boys should have been patrolling the streets that day is laughable, considering everyone knows what has been happening in Chicago for years. That is exactly why they showed up; they saw no better moment to pull this stunt than right now. If they had done this ten years ago, I believe they would have been shut down immediately. Back then, half the city was ready to jump in alongside the Bad Boys, but now, frankly, fewer people care. Even those who were active before have lost interest in the Yankees, and the focus for mobilization has shifted. So, you wonder why the Bad Boys are returning to the stands? The primary reason is so that no Yankees can ever swagger through any part of Chicago again without people noticing. Stop overanalyzing the Bad Boys' return to the stands. They are coming back so nobody can roam the streets however they please, especially not Yankees fans acting out and spinning stories about orgies after being in the city for thirty minutes. If they had stayed in that spot longer without a reaction from the public, they certainly would have been confronted. The Bad Boys used to cover every corner of the city, but they couldn't even do that when more people were active in the fan scene, let alone now that the boycott has thinned the ranks. Just look at the handball situation or what happened with the Boston Celtics; do you honestly think the Yankees would have dared to invade if the Bad Boys hadn't arrived instantly to confront them before the police did? I think so, because back then, thousands were ready for action. Now, by the time a few hundred gather, the police have already picked up the Yankees, and then they spin tales about invasions in New York City and orgies. You fools will complain about how the Yankees outplayed us, and then act surprised when we end the boycott and head back to the stands. Seriously, make up your minds and stop trying to manage the Bad Boys for them. I know the Yankees could handle the current version of the Bad Boys, so I don't care what they say. If there had been more time to predict things, they would have fared worse than our guys did in Athens. That is the bottom line. You keep making your analyses and talking about orgies. Don't act shocked that we are returning; neither you nor they would ever allow themselves to fall this low fighting the mafia. I am certain of that. You and they are the last people on Earth who should be lecturing the Bad Boys on their capabilities. We should mock them instead, because they live on compromises. If the Bad Boys had lived their fan lives that way, the Athens situation wouldn't have happened, and the Yankees wouldn't have invaded Chicago without heavy consequences. That is my point. Talk all you want; I am done with these stupid debates.

Thomas Williams59, mind your own business and stay far away from me. Just because I've had a few drinks doesn't mean I'm an idiot who can't grasp reality.

The north stand is back 🤣 🤣