Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Why are you all just rolling over for this...? Back when my grandparents were around, everyone was absolutely disgusted by this kind of thing—yet here you are, their grandkids, following orders without question, just worrying about whether the system will grant you a permit

I’d be a hell of a lot happier if we took every single one of these posts, bundled them into an email, and blasted the government with a mountain of complaints backed by the constitution on violation of rights...

There is no state of emergency here, and there is no suspension of our rights. If they want an emergency, fine—declare it and define the rules PRECISELY, instead of this vague "this and that" approach. I’ve already got my lawsuit ready, and believe me, I am not backing down (I’ve actually won a case once before on a very similar issue).

Here’s a perfect example. A friend of mine has to travel three zones just to get to work, then he has to go to a fourth zone because that’s where his doctor is located, and then he has to head all the way to the other side of town—another two zones away—just to take care of his pets.
And guess what? He didn't get his permit to check on the animals. Now they’re going to starve, or if he doesn't get permission, they might end up dead... all because looking after dogs isn't considered a "priority." We reported it to the animal welfare group, too, but they aren't taking any responsibility either.

Write to the government.... stop stripping away our constitutional rights...
And for those of you thinking we actually need this because of some state of emergency (which hasn't been declared, by the way)...
-Just look at how many people die on the roads every year—by that logic, we should just abolish the entire auto industry and ban cars altogether.
-Look at how many people die from the flu every single year—meaning, we should just ban everything every year.
-Think about the future when stuff like this becomes more common. What exactly are you leaving behind for your kids? A legacy of mindless obedience because you didn't have the guts to defend your own rights?
-Anyone who was supposed to be in isolation should have been sent to hotels (which won't even be open this summer anyway), camps, or dorms to keep them away from homes and healthy people. But hey, it’s much easier to threaten the livelihoods of millions of people just to satisfy a few idiots...

rustywalker42 said:The Dunning-Kruger effect is hitting you hard. Honestly, don't even bother, you'll just embarrass yourself again, just like you did with your residency status.

Of course I've read it. Of course I know. Here's a general take on the coronavirus: a few days ago, I was saying exactly what that judge said.

If you had actually read the Communicable Disease Act—which I'm pretty sure you didn't even know existed, much like most people—you'd realize that the security measures allowed by law include restricting movement.

Well, you're being incredibly arrogant by guessing, so let me disappoint you: I know that law inside and out.

So, just because a handful of you know the Constitution exists and have skimmed three articles, it doesn't mean movement restrictions during an epidemic are unconstitutional.

🙏

The arrogance is unreal. You don't know a single thing about me, so keep your comments to yourself.

I know the Constitution and the laws better than you do—that's a guarantee—because I've seen the mountain of nonsense you've posted on this forum. I just never felt like getting into pointless debates because people like you aren't worth the effort.

Everything has its pros and cons. There wasn't an earthquake way out there. So what?

And what about the earthquake? Are you suddenly handicapped now? All I feel sorry for is that little girl who died. As for the rest of you using an earthquake as an excuse for everything, I won't even dignify it with a comment. You're just that loud minority with that typical NYC attitude. Luckily, there aren't many of you.

Of course. 👍

Bryan Taylor6 said:Clearly, you just don't get it.

William gets his funding from union dues, and joining is entirely voluntary.

And he made a good point—should we be using taxpayer money to bail out capitalists?

When things are going great, the capitalists rake it in. But the second they hit a snag, they want a government handout. Why doesn't the state help the workers instead? Why is the minimum wage $1083?

Because that’s exactly what suits the capitalists.

It's simple: divide the working class, and you can rule them...

He gets it, just like you do and just like the rest of us. It’s just that some people find it more convenient to play dumb—kind of like how you're acting right now.
If the private sector and those capitalists—as you like to call them—stopped paying their taxes into the federal treasury, the government wouldn't have a damn clue what to do with itself. Honestly, they’d probably be lucky if they even managed to collect the small membership fees that people pay to William Ribic.

And why is the minimum wage for workers set at $3,250? It’s because those are people working in the private sector. If we were talking about those leeches living off the government teat, there's no way they'd ever see anything like that happen by accident.
It’s not really the capitalists you should be pointing fingers at. In my book, the real issue lies with people like William Ribic and those other union leaders. They seem more interested in protecting the folks wearing government badges than anything else. It feels like their priority is always to look out for the bureaucrats first, while leaving the actual workers in the private sector to fight over whatever scraps are left behind.

Bryan Taylor6 said:Even the church gets a pass, so nobody sees an issue with it, year after year... meanwhile, churches abroad pay taxes while ours don't.

First, you spend that whole previous post acting like you're some kind of genius, condescendingly explaining to another member how they just "don't get" where the union and Ribic actually get their money. You were so sure of yourself, insisting they aren't funded by the taxpayers. But then, the moment someone presents proof that Ribic and those other agitators are indeed drawing from the public treasury—either directly or through those indirect loopholes—you suddenly play dumb. It’s funny how quickly you pivot to that tired old excuse: "Well, everyone else is doing it too."
Man, I tell you... 🤣

And yeah, speaking of the church and people pushing Love Immersion—they’re basically two sides of the same coin when it comes to being pushy. If anyone actually wants to get involved with that stuff, they should just pay for it out of their own pocket.

Gerald Thompson62 said:Why are you all just rolling over for this...? Back when my grandparents were around, everyone was absolutely disgusted by this kind of thing—yet here you are, their grandkids, following orders without question, just worrying about whether the system will grant you a permit

I’d be a hell of a lot happier if we took every single one of these posts, bundled them into an email, and blasted the government with a mountain of complaints backed by the constitution on violation of rights...

There is no state of emergency here, and there is no suspension of our rights. If they want an emergency, fine—declare it and define the rules PRECISELY, instead of this vague "this and that" approach. I’ve already got my lawsuit ready, and believe me, I am not backing down (I’ve actually won a case once before on a very similar issue).

Here’s a perfect example. A friend of mine has to travel three zones just to get to work, then he has to go to a fourth zone because that’s where his doctor is located, and then he has to head all the way to the other side of town—another two zones away—just to take care of his pets.
And guess what? He didn't get his permit to check on the animals. Now they’re going to starve, or if he doesn't get permission, they might end up dead... all because looking after dogs isn't considered a "priority." We reported it to the animal welfare group, too, but they aren't taking any responsibility either.

Write to the government.... stop stripping away our constitutional rights...
And for those of you thinking we actually need this because of some state of emergency (which hasn't been declared, by the way)...
-Just look at how many people die on the roads every year—by that logic, we should just abolish the entire auto industry and ban cars altogether.
-Look at how many people die from the flu every single year—meaning, we should just ban everything every year.
-Think about the future when stuff like this becomes more common. What exactly are you leaving behind for your kids? A legacy of mindless obedience because you didn't have the guts to defend your own rights?
-Anyone who was supposed to be in isolation should have been sent to hotels (which won't even be open this summer anyway), camps, or dorms to keep them away from homes and healthy people. But hey, it’s much easier to threaten the livelihoods of millions of people just to satisfy a few idiots...

Honestly, I can't help but wonder if things were just as bad back during the German occupation.

Hey everyone,

So here's my situation: my stay expires in May (though I’m guessing these measures will stick around longer than that). My work contract just got extended by a few months, so now I'm wondering if I can extend my residency too, just so I don't run into any trouble moving around where I'm currently registered. Their online portal is totally broken, and I can't get anyone on the phone at the Department of Justice.

Gerald Thompson62 said:Why are you all just rolling over for this...? Back when my grandparents were around, everyone was absolutely disgusted by this kind of thing—yet here you are, their grandkids, following orders without question, just worrying about whether the system will grant you a permit

I’d be a hell of a lot happier if we took every single one of these posts, bundled them into an email, and blasted the government with a mountain of complaints backed by the constitution on violation of rights...

There is no state of emergency here, and there is no suspension of our rights. If they want an emergency, fine—declare it and define the rules PRECISELY, instead of this vague "this and that" approach. I’ve already got my lawsuit ready, and believe me, I am not backing down (I’ve actually won a case once before on a very similar issue).

Here’s a perfect example. A friend of mine has to travel three zones just to get to work, then he has to go to a fourth zone because that’s where his doctor is located, and then he has to head all the way to the other side of town—another two zones away—just to take care of his pets.
And guess what? He didn't get his permit to check on the animals. Now they’re going to starve, or if he doesn't get permission, they might end up dead... all because looking after dogs isn't considered a "priority." We reported it to the animal welfare group, too, but they aren't taking any responsibility either.

Write to the government.... stop stripping away our constitutional rights...
And for those of you thinking we actually need this because of some state of emergency (which hasn't been declared, by the way)...
-Just look at how many people die on the roads every year—by that logic, we should just abolish the entire auto industry and ban cars altogether.
-Look at how many people die from the flu every single year—meaning, we should just ban everything every year.
-Think about the future when stuff like this becomes more common. What exactly are you leaving behind for your kids? A legacy of mindless obedience because you didn't have the guts to defend your own rights?
-Anyone who was supposed to be in isolation should have been sent to hotels (which won't even be open this summer anyway), camps, or dorms to keep them away from homes and healthy people. But hey, it’s much easier to threaten the livelihoods of millions of people just to satisfy a few idiots...

First draft:
To whom it may concern, pursuant to the official orders issued by the command center, caring for animals constitutes a legitimate reason for a permit, and I am therefore requesting that you approve mine accordingly.

If that gets rejected, here is the second draft:
To whom it may concern, due to the refusal to issue this permit, I am being forced into a position where I must violate animal protection laws. Given that your decision to deny this permit is grounded in neither the law nor the standing orders of the command center—and seeing as you are willfully ignoring the command center's own interpretation which dictates that you are obligated to issue this permit—you can be held both criminally and civilly liable should any animal suffer death or serious health complications as a result.

Matthew Jackson2 said:1.) We are discussing the funding of labor unions here. The assertion that everyone essentially chips in to fund them holds water, regardless of how many other things we’re being forced to subsidize that perhaps we shouldn't be in the first place.

2.) Although it’s completely irrelevant to the actual discussion regarding union financing—it's just a classic case of moving the goalposts—you should know that there are plenty of critics regarding how the church is funded; it's just that those voices don't get any airtime in the mainstream media.

Spot on.
Thanks.

@hollowmason64, 👍

it's always easier to play the victim, shut down, and lecture everyone else, isn't it?

Let's try to clear up this confusion about heading out into the field for some fresh air.

Basically, if I live in Municipality A, but I own land over in Municipality B, and I need a permit to travel to Municipality B—who am I actually supposed to deal with? Do I go to the local Emergency Management headquarters in Municipality A, or should I be contacting the authorities in Municipality B?

And what does "getting a permit" actually entail here? Am I asking Municipality A for permission to leave, or am I asking Municipality B for permission to enter?

quietviper22 said:Look, you can definitely go there. It's perfectly legal to work land in a different township. If those local bureaucrats are giving you a hard time just to stay in power, stop playing nice and file a complaint with the higher authorities.

How does this actually work? Is owning a farm required, or is just having the land enough? This is for a neighboring township. One person in the household would be seeking permission to monitor the property left by their grandfather. There have been thefts in the village already, so maybe it would be reasonable to show up at least once a week.

rowdyhawk14 said:Let's try to clear up this confusion about heading out into the field for some fresh air.

Basically, if I live in Municipality A, but I own land over in Municipality B, and I need a permit to travel to Municipality B—who am I actually supposed to deal with? Do I go to the local Emergency Management headquarters in Municipality A, or should I be contacting the authorities in Municipality B?

And what does "getting a permit" actually entail here? Am I asking Municipality A for permission to leave, or am I asking Municipality B for permission to enter?

I was wondering the exact same thing.
Town A straight-up denied me. They wouldn't give me a permit.
So, should I try getting it through Town B instead? Since that's where I'm actually headed?

Then again, my situation is even more of a headache because I need a permit for Town C.😁
I'm starting in A, passing through B, just to reach C.
(It's not like it's a massive distance, it's just way too many towns and bureaucrats involved, ugh)🤔

hollowmason64 said:Of course. 👍

He gets it, just like you do and just like the rest of us. It’s just that some people find it more convenient to play dumb—kind of like how you're acting right now.
If the private sector and those capitalists—as you like to call them—stopped paying their taxes into the federal treasury, the government wouldn't have a damn clue what to do with itself. Honestly, they’d probably be lucky if they even managed to collect the small membership fees that people pay to William Ribic.

And why is the minimum wage for workers set at $3,250? It’s because those are people working in the private sector. If we were talking about those leeches living off the government teat, there's no way they'd ever see anything like that happen by accident.
It’s not really the capitalists you should be pointing fingers at. In my book, the real issue lies with people like William Ribic and those other union leaders. They seem more interested in protecting the folks wearing government badges than anything else. It feels like their priority is always to look out for the bureaucrats first, while leaving the actual workers in the private sector to fight over whatever scraps are left behind.

First, you spend that whole previous post acting like you're some kind of genius, condescendingly explaining to another member how they just "don't get" where the union and Ribic actually get their money. You were so sure of yourself, insisting they aren't funded by the taxpayers. But then, the moment someone presents proof that Ribic and those other agitators are indeed drawing from the public treasury—either directly or through those indirect loopholes—you suddenly play dumb. It’s funny how quickly you pivot to that tired old excuse: "Well, everyone else is doing it too."
Man, I tell you... 🤣

And yeah, speaking of the church and people pushing Love Immersion—they’re basically two sides of the same coin when it comes to being pushy. If anyone actually wants to get involved with that stuff, they should just pay for it out of their own pocket.

The fact is, he's being funded by union membership fees...

Why exactly did the government hand him that cash? Only the administration knows...

Why isn't there a minimum... $1667 And that's just something only the government knows...

Why are we even funding useless municipalities? It’s all the same... the federal government already knows everything anyway. And honestly, what's the point of them existing at all?

The government says there’s no money... then William turns around and tells us to just go out and take out some loans...

That’s been happening the whole time. What's the issue?...

The government claims they have tons of love in their second column... personally, I can't see a thing...

The government says they won't touch the salaries of media workers, police, firefighters, or the military... So who exactly are they planning to target?

Instead of stepping up to save the workers, the government is busy bailing out the business owners. It’s a shame they couldn't save Todorić... just another example of protecting big business over people for years and years...

Steven Ramos5 said:I was wondering the exact same thing.
Town A straight-up denied me. They wouldn't give me a permit.
So, should I try getting it through Town B instead? Since that's where I'm actually headed?

Then again, my situation is even more of a headache because I need a permit for Town C.😁
I'm starting in A, passing through B, just to reach C.
(It's not like it's a massive distance, it's just way too many towns and bureaucrats involved, ugh)🤔

I honestly don't think we're ever going to get a straight answer from the officials on this one. Plenty of Washington, D.C. residents own property outside the city limits all over the United States. If they let everyone grab a permit to head out into nature, the whole city would basically be wide open. Their real goal seems to be keeping the big cities locked down to prevent people from moving around too much.

rowdyhawk14 said:Let's try to clear up this confusion about heading out into the field for some fresh air.

Basically, if I live in Municipality A, but I own land over in Municipality B, and I need a permit to travel to Municipality B—who am I actually supposed to deal with? Do I go to the local Emergency Management headquarters in Municipality A, or should I be contacting the authorities in Municipality B?

And what does "getting a permit" actually entail here? Am I asking Municipality A for permission to leave, or am I asking Municipality B for permission to enter?

The permits are issued by FEMA based on your primary place of residence.
If you reside in Municipality A, that is who you approach to request a permit to leave and return to your home. In other words, the FEMA authorities in Municipality A issue the pass that allows you to travel to any other municipality as needed (B, C, D, etc.).

Gerald Thompson62 said:Why are you all just rolling over for this...? Back when my grandparents were around, everyone was absolutely disgusted by this kind of thing—yet here you are, their grandkids, following orders without question, just worrying about whether the system will grant you a permit

I’d be a hell of a lot happier if we took every single one of these posts, bundled them into an email, and blasted the government with a mountain of complaints backed by the constitution on violation of rights...

There is no state of emergency here, and there is no suspension of our rights. If they want an emergency, fine—declare it and define the rules PRECISELY, instead of this vague "this and that" approach. I’ve already got my lawsuit ready, and believe me, I am not backing down (I’ve actually won a case once before on a very similar issue).

Here’s a perfect example. A friend of mine has to travel three zones just to get to work, then he has to go to a fourth zone because that’s where his doctor is located, and then he has to head all the way to the other side of town—another two zones away—just to take care of his pets.
And guess what? He didn't get his permit to check on the animals. Now they’re going to starve, or if he doesn't get permission, they might end up dead... all because looking after dogs isn't considered a "priority." We reported it to the animal welfare group, too, but they aren't taking any responsibility either.

Write to the government.... stop stripping away our constitutional rights...
And for those of you thinking we actually need this because of some state of emergency (which hasn't been declared, by the way)...
-Just look at how many people die on the roads every year—by that logic, we should just abolish the entire auto industry and ban cars altogether.
-Look at how many people die from the flu every single year—meaning, we should just ban everything every year.
-Think about the future when stuff like this becomes more common. What exactly are you leaving behind for your kids? A legacy of mindless obedience because you didn't have the guts to defend your own rights?
-Anyone who was supposed to be in isolation should have been sent to hotels (which won't even be open this summer anyway), camps, or dorms to keep them away from homes and healthy people. But hey, it’s much easier to threaten the livelihoods of millions of people just to satisfy a few idiots...

I'm in. Count me in. 👍

hollowmason64 said:Of course. 👍

He gets it, just like you do and just like the rest of us. It’s just that some people find it more convenient to play dumb—kind of like how you're acting right now.
If the private sector and those capitalists—as you like to call them—stopped paying their taxes into the federal treasury, the government wouldn't have a damn clue what to do with itself. Honestly, they’d probably be lucky if they even managed to collect the small membership fees that people pay to William Ribic.

And why is the minimum wage for workers set at $3,250? It’s because those are people working in the private sector. If we were talking about those leeches living off the government teat, there's no way they'd ever see anything like that happen by accident.
It’s not really the capitalists you should be pointing fingers at. In my book, the real issue lies with people like William Ribic and those other union leaders. They seem more interested in protecting the folks wearing government badges than anything else. It feels like their priority is always to look out for the bureaucrats first, while leaving the actual workers in the private sector to fight over whatever scraps are left behind.

First, you spend that whole previous post acting like you're some kind of genius, condescendingly explaining to another member how they just "don't get" where the union and Ribic actually get their money. You were so sure of yourself, insisting they aren't funded by the taxpayers. But then, the moment someone presents proof that Ribic and those other agitators are indeed drawing from the public treasury—either directly or through those indirect loopholes—you suddenly play dumb. It’s funny how quickly you pivot to that tired old excuse: "Well, everyone else is doing it too."
Man, I tell you... 🤣

And yeah, speaking of the church and people pushing Love Immersion—they’re basically two sides of the same coin when it comes to being pushy. If anyone actually wants to get involved with that stuff, they should just pay for it out of their own pocket.

Look, truth hurts, so I wasn't exactly expecting a deep dive or anything from you anyway. 👍

Here’s yet another way they're tightening the leash—honestly, where does this all end?

On Saturday, 500 Americans are being flown back from the epicenter of the outbreak. The government is sending a plane just for them. Meanwhile, the rest of us aren't allowed to 31 miles travel

Susan Barrett2 said:Here’s yet another way they're tightening the leash—honestly, where does this all end?

They really tanked it this time.

Susan Barrett2 said:Here’s yet another way they're tightening the leash—honestly, where does this all end?

This is seriously twisted...

Susan Barrett2 said:Here’s yet another way they're tightening the leash—honestly, where does this all end?

From the article:

To ensure greater citizen safety during the coronavirus epidemic, FEMA – the FEMA Regional Office Osijek, has implemented a centralized aerial surveillance system using drones to monitor compliance with National Emergency Management Center measures in the fight against COVID-19.

That’s how every single dictatorship justifies itself.
It’s honestly sad how most people just swallow stories like "it's for their own good."
How far would people actually go with these ridiculous slogans? Like, "neutralizing national security violators with specially equipped drones—all for the greater safety of our citizens"—I guess people would probably buy that too.

Steven Ramos5 said:I was wondering the exact same thing.
Town A straight-up denied me. They wouldn't give me a permit.
So, should I try getting it through Town B instead? Since that's where I'm actually headed?

Then again, my situation is even more of a headache because I need a permit for Town C.😁
I'm starting in A, passing through B, just to reach C.
(It's not like it's a massive distance, it's just way too many towns and bureaucrats involved, ugh)🤔

The way it works is you apply through Municipality A, though nowadays, once you fulfill the requirements online, it really should be an automated process based on where you reside.

If they give you any trouble or deny your request, you ought to cite this:

After getting my pass rejected twice, I finally called them up (the local FEMA office) and they told me there was some glitch in the system—something about date formatting or whatever—so they went ahead and approved it.
I’m telling you, it was a total headache; I spent the entire day dealing with this nonsense.🤦