Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

I moved this over to a different thread—but I figured I'd drop it here too:

https://www.census.gov/topics/population/decennial-census.html

According to the 2011 census data, we're looking at 429 municipalities and 127 cities.

Take Međimurje County, for example: an area of 729 km2, comprised of 22 municipalities and 3 cities. 🤦
(Which means if you average them out, each municipality or city covers about 29 km2.)

Washington, D.C.: 640 km2

Just wanted to paint a clearer picture of what this "residency restrictions" nonsense looks like when you scale it down to the municipal level...

Steven Ramos5 said:After getting my pass rejected twice, I finally called them up (the local FEMA office) and they told me there was some glitch in the system—something about date formatting or whatever—so they went ahead and approved it.
I’m telling you, it was a total headache; I spent the entire day dealing with this nonsense.🤦

What did you put down as the reason? For one time or longer?

Joshua Gray75 said:I moved this over to a different thread—but I figured I'd drop it here too:

https://www.census.gov/topics/population/decennial-census.html

According to the 2011 census data, we're looking at 429 municipalities and 127 cities.

Take Međimurje County, for example: an area of 729 km2, comprised of 22 municipalities and 3 cities. 🤦
(Which means if you average them out, each municipality or city covers about 29 km2.)

Washington, D.C.: 640 km2

Just wanted to paint a clearer picture of what this "residency restrictions" nonsense looks like when you scale it down to the municipal level...

If we’re talking county level, maybe it makes sense. But at the municipal or Ministry level? There is absolutely no way this doesn't cause more headaches than it actually solves. All those bureaucrats wasted their time setting this up, and now the police are stretched thin across a million different checkpoints that they don't even stand a chance of monitoring.👎

I don't think they'll be able to sustain these "measures" for much longer. I suspect people are going to start waking up more and more every single day.

Rebecca Roberts8 said:What did you put down as the reason? For one time or longer?

Ugh, I already typed out my reply, but then the site logged me out mid-sentence. Total pain.🤦

For the reason, I picked "Travel due to essential family matters, such as providing care..." blah blah blah...
It’s just one of those multiple-choice options they give you, and that one was the closest thing to what's actually going on with me.
I selected "one-time," looking for April 4th specifically, but the system wouldn't let me. When I called them up, they just set the dates for April 2nd through the 5th.

I think I mentioned this here before—it's probably because April 4th is the cutoff date when the old passes expire.
Whatever, honestly, I'm just glad I got it.😁
And if I need one again, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it...

Olivia Williams2 said:I don't think they'll be able to sustain these "measures" for much longer. I suspect people are going to start waking up more and more every single day.

Maybe it’s also because the weather is finally turning around—spring is hitting, everything's getting warmer and nicer... and they expect you to just stay cooped up inside? 😵...And if you have little kids, how the hell are you supposed to deal with that? 🤷

Olivia Williams2 said:I don't think they'll be able to sustain these "measures" for much longer. I suspect people are going to start waking up more and more every single day.

And they’ll just roll out new ways to control us.

They came up with something truly twisted in one city. They rigged a drone with speakers and a recording of the mayor screaming. As soon as a drone spots someone failing to keep their distance, it swoops down and blasts the recording right at them. 😁

Olivia Williams2 said:I don't think they'll be able to sustain these "measures" for much longer. I suspect people are going to start waking up more and more every single day.

Oh, absolutely, and they know it too. Just look at how they used to constantly threaten us with harsher restrictions, and now suddenly they’re always talking about easing things up... obviously, they aren't going to pull the plug immediately, but their rhetoric has definitely shifted.

nimblelynx7 said:And they’ll just roll out new ways to control us.

They came up with something truly twisted in one city. They rigged a drone with speakers and a recording of the mayor screaming. As soon as a drone spots someone failing to keep their distance, it swoops down and blasts the recording right at them. 😁

Compared to what's coming, 1984 is nothing.
At least people in India are upfront about it—their police will just zip past you on a scooter if you're out of the house. There's no fake politeness or pretending to be nice here.

Bryan Taylor6 said:The fact is, he's being funded by union membership fees...

Why exactly did the government hand him that cash? Only the administration knows...

Why isn't there a minimum... $1667 And that's just something only the government knows...

Why are we even funding useless municipalities? It’s all the same... the federal government already knows everything anyway. And honestly, what's the point of them existing at all?

The government says there’s no money... then William turns around and tells us to just go out and take out some loans...

That’s been happening the whole time. What's the issue?...

The government claims they have tons of love in their second column... personally, I can't see a thing...

The government says they won't touch the salaries of media workers, police, firefighters, or the military... So who exactly are they planning to target?

Instead of stepping up to save the workers, the government is busy bailing out the business owners. It’s a shame they couldn't save Todorić... just another example of protecting big business over people for years and years...

As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

Grace Edwards said:From the article:

To ensure greater citizen safety during the coronavirus epidemic, FEMA – the FEMA Regional Office Osijek, has implemented a centralized aerial surveillance system using drones to monitor compliance with National Emergency Management Center measures in the fight against COVID-19.

That’s how every single dictatorship justifies itself.
It’s honestly sad how most people just swallow stories like "it's for their own good."
How far would people actually go with these ridiculous slogans? Like, "neutralizing national security violators with specially equipped drones—all for the greater safety of our citizens"—I guess people would probably buy that too.

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Steven Ramos5 said:Maybe it’s also because the weather is finally turning around—spring is hitting, everything's getting warmer and nicer... and they expect you to just stay cooped up inside? 😵...And if you have little kids, how the hell are you supposed to deal with that? 🤷

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

hollowmason64 said:As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

Look, I'll be blunt, but that whole line of reasoning—where some morons are driving 75 miles mph when the limit is 31 miles mph, so the solution is just to drop the speed limit to 19 miles mph—has never actually worked in the history of logic.

hollowmason64 said:As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

Then there's me—part of that tiny minority. I'd actually love spending 24/7 with my partner, but instead, we're separated by a 20-minute drive and a county line. With the travel restrictions in place, we're basically stuck in a long-distance relationship now. We can handle a few weeks, maybe a month... but the real question is, how much longer is this going to last? Nobody has a clue.

Plenty of people are stuck in this exact same spot, myself included, dealing with the financial fallout on top of everything else. 👎

It is frankly idiotic that anyone would think to use a person’s primary residence as the basis for determining movement restrictions. It is inherently unfair, completely impractical, and serves as nothing more than a staggering display of arrogance from a bunch of cronies who have decided to strike at our fundamental freedom of movement without any sense of proportion or a deep understanding of the actual consequences.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Look, I'll be blunt, but that whole line of reasoning—where some morons are driving 75 miles mph when the limit is 31 miles mph, so the solution is just to drop the speed limit to 19 miles mph—has never actually worked in the history of logic.

Nah, they actually solved that by putting way more cops on the road. Now, even if you’re cruising at 40 or 45, you have to drop down to 30 just because some idiot is doing 75, otherwise you'll end up getting pulled over too.

Susan Barrett2 said:Then there's me—part of that tiny minority. I'd actually love spending 24/7 with my partner, but instead, we're separated by a 20-minute drive and a county line. With the travel restrictions in place, we're basically stuck in a long-distance relationship now. We can handle a few weeks, maybe a month... but the real question is, how much longer is this going to last? Nobody has a clue.

I was thinking more about people who actually live in the same community.
As for how long this lasts... personally, I wouldn't expect anything to wrap up before late May.

nimbleharbor10 said:It is frankly idiotic that anyone would think to use a person’s primary residence as the basis for determining movement restrictions. It is inherently unfair, completely impractical, and serves as nothing more than a staggering display of arrogance from a bunch of cronies who have decided to strike at our fundamental freedom of movement without any sense of proportion or a deep understanding of the actual consequences.

Fair enough, but what do you think would be a better solution?

hollowmason64 said:As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

Is anyone actually home alone without someone else to grab groceries or meds for them? (Look, I think most of these people are just irresponsible morons, but take me as an example: if I went to my residence and got slapped with a 14-day isolation, I’d have two choices—pay the fines or starve, because I live alone and wouldn't have food.)

hollowmason64 said:As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

The real culprits are the ones who let skiers, doctors, and everyone else bring the infection in from abroad.

hollowmason64 said:As soon as he starts spending government money, he’s essentially being funded by the federal budget.

instead of the state actually helping workers...

The government *is* helping workers through those measures they give to employers. I mean, if those weren't in place, how many people do you think would have ended up on unemployment by now?

I really wonder whose "good" it actually is, considering there were over a thousand idiots who were supposed to be in isolation but decided to go for a little stroll instead. Some of them even headed out to the pharmacy.
I find it hard to believe you guys aren't angry at people like that. They are the ones truly responsible for these kinds of restrictions.
Just like the group from Washington, D.C. who headed down to the coast and brought the virus right to us.

Oh, please... people go through so much in life, yet suddenly staying inside for a couple of weeks is too much to ask?
To me, it seems like the biggest issue is that most people can't stand being stuck with their partner 24/7. Everyone always complains about not having enough time for family or kids, but now that everyone is together, all they do is moan about how to escape one another.

The government pays your salary, you have passes to walk around, and yet you're lecturing us about how staying home for a few weeks isn't a big deal.😁

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes either.

I'm not entirely sure if you guys have checked out the e-proposals—you know, those specific reasons you can select there. For instance, I personally need to list property maintenance, but I don't see that option listed anywhere.

Susan Barrett2 said:Here’s yet another way they're tightening the leash—honestly, where does this all end?

So, what, those idiots flying dragons over our backyards all damn summer aren't enough for them? Cool.

Some good news: As of 2020, mosquitoes aren't exactly the biggest flying irritants in the city anymore.

Grace Edwards said:From the article:

To ensure greater citizen safety during the coronavirus epidemic, FEMA – the FEMA Regional Office Osijek, has implemented a centralized aerial surveillance system using drones to monitor compliance with National Emergency Management Center measures in the fight against COVID-19.

That’s how every single dictatorship justifies itself.
It’s honestly sad how most people just swallow stories like "it's for their own good."
How far would people actually go with these ridiculous slogans? Like, "neutralizing national security violators with specially equipped drones—all for the greater safety of our citizens"—I guess people would probably buy that too.

Grlić-Radman says we gotta look out for our people living abroad. I guess.

Then again, once they get back, they're gonna have to be in (just) isolation anyway, I guess.

How much of a "safety net" is traveling actually? And what’s even the point of isolating there versus just staying put here? I mean, I get one difference—it’s like how nothing beats a home-cooked meal from your mom; it’s warm, it’s real, and honestly, it just hits different when the memories start flooding in.

Forget about exchange students for a second. Now, America (and all its neighbors) has suddenly become this warm, safe haven that people were actually fleeing headfirst just a little while ago. And it wasn't even because there weren't jobs—there were plenty—it was more like, "I'm not working for those peanuts" in this decaying America. People would just say, "last one out, turn off the lights." It’s wild how the sun is suddenly shining on this rotten place now that the whole world has gone completely insane. 🙄

hollowviper said:I'm not entirely sure if you guys have checked out the e-proposals—you know, those specific reasons you can select there. For instance, I personally need to list property maintenance, but I don't see that option listed anywhere.

I haven't really dug into everything yet, just skimming whatever news I catch or stuff I read real quick; feels like a ton of details are missing, and honestly, people probably only care about it for their own selfish reasons anyway.

As for drones and all that surveillance crap—bye-bye, privacy, if you even had any to begin with. And those people with zero conscience who've been making headlines for days (you know, the ones who show up looking "suspicious" or testing positive for COVID-19 even though they aren't actually sick, but they're still out there wandering around)? There aren't even going to be any fines to make them behave, because the whole system is broken. It’s like one of those news segments about speeding on the interstate; some businessman gets a little too eager to make a meeting, so he just keeps a stack of cash ready to pay the ticket on the spot. He doesn't give a damn. That's just not how you fix anything.