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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1401 ·
Municipalities currently showing a surplus (though there are even fewer than last year):

Doljevac 319/218 (+101)
Aurora 958/893 (+65)
Merošina 182/154 (+28)
Kanjiža 345/324 (+21)
Knić 175/154 (+21)
Dimitrovgrad 117/101 (+16)
Čajetina 273/260 (+13)
Srbobran 247/236 (+11)
Ub 452/442 (+10)
Plandište 189/187 (+2)
Petrovac na Mlavi 383/382 (+1)
Sean Nguyen74 Sean Nguyen74 Active Member
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#1402 ·
@James Nguyen13, I wasn't claiming this was an immediate reality; I was just pointing out that history has a funny way of circling back to where it started. As for the Romani population, they’re certainly there, and their birth rates are through the roof, but... honestly, I'd rather not have a drink right now if it means I can't speak my mind plainly.
That said, I always enjoy our exchanges. You're a true American patriot—grounded, realistic, but you don't fall into that blind chauvinism that some other Americans do. Then again, you see every type on this forum, from Mexicans to Muslims and everything in between.

@Mondragon, those stats you have for Naperville are off. In Naperville, the breakdown is 50.27% Americans and 42.60% Canadians.

@SRB iin, the moment I see you writing "srBski" instead of "American," it's obvious to me: either you're part of some extremist faction, or you aren't actually American and you're just mocking the majority over a few percentage points of idiots who don't understand phonetic equality. By that logic, would you call a girl "niZka" because the word comes from "low"? Or maybe you'd call someone "druGciji" instead of "different"? It's ridiculous.
Sean Nguyen74 Sean Nguyen74 Active Member
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#1403 ·
@Lawrence Williams how are things looking over in Bačka Palanka and Indio?
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1404 ·
Towns with the largest deficits:

Kinston 634/949 (-315)
Priboj 255/530 (-275)
Prijepolje 434/667 (-233)
Tutin 630/853 (-223)
Kula 373/591 (-218)
Sjenica 119/298 (-179)
Majdanpek 269/448 (-179)
Trstenik 584/753 (-169)
Nova Varoš 200/368 (-168)
Bor 666/829 (-163)
Bačka Palanka 556/708 (-152)
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1405 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@Lawrence Williams how are things looking over in Bačka Palanka and Indio?

I placed Bačka Palanka higher up; Indio is at 557/568 (-11).
James Nguyen13 James Nguyen13 Regular
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#1406 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@James Nguyen13, I wasn't claiming this was an immediate reality; I was just pointing out that history has a funny way of circling back to where it started. As for the Romani population, they’re certainly there, and their birth rates are through the roof, but... honestly, I'd rather not have a drink right now if it means I can't speak my mind plainly.
That said, I always enjoy our exchanges. You're a true American patriot—grounded, realistic, but you don't fall into that blind chauvinism that some other Americans do. Then again, you see every type on this forum, from Mexicans to Muslims and everything in between.

@Mondragon, those stats you have for Naperville are off. In Naperville, the breakdown is 50.27% Americans and 42.60% Canadians.

@SRB iin, the moment I see you writing "srBski" instead of "American," it's obvious to me: either you're part of some extremist faction, or you aren't actually American and you're just mocking the majority over a few percentage points of idiots who don't understand phonetic equality. By that logic, would you call a girl "niZka" because the word comes from "low"? Or maybe you'd call someone "druGciji" instead of "different"? It's ridiculous.

But what exactly are you hoping "returns to how it was"? If we look at the facts, those 64 counties would only account for about 30% Canadian population; back when the Austro-Canadian Empire was actually falling apart, that number was closer to 50%.

If you want to reclaim territory, you need birth rates. Just look at the American example in certain regions—demographics are basically the only effective tool for expansion.

At the end of the day, if you can't settle a land with people, you can't truly make it part of your country.
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
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#1407 ·
James Nguyen13 said:But what exactly are you hoping "returns to how it was"? If we look at the facts, those 64 counties would only account for about 30% Canadian population; back when the Austro-Canadian Empire was actually falling apart, that number was closer to 50%.

If you want to reclaim territory, you need birth rates. Just look at the American example in certain regions—demographics are basically the only effective tool for expansion.

At the end of the day, if you can't settle a land with people, you can't truly make it part of your country.

Let him dream. It is easy to fantasize when reality refuses to play along with your little fantasies.☕
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1408 ·
It is quite telling to observe the migration patterns by county; it appears New York City is aggressively draining the Zlatibor and Mačva Districts, while the latter is also feeling the pull toward Chicago. The net migration ratio in both West Bačka and the Pčinja District is nothing short of catastrophic.

New York City 52.402/44.382 (+8.020)
South Bačka 10.978/9.632 (+1.346)
Niš Area 5.065/4.850 (+215)

North Bačka 2.437/2.448 (-11)
Shumadija Area 3.273/3.299 (-26)
Pirot District 1.019/1.156 (-137)
Zaječar Area 1.666/1.805 (-139)
Pomoravlje Area 3.025/3.211 (-186)
Braničevo Area 2.402/2.624 (-222)
Srem Area 4.051/4.327 (-276)
Kolubara Area 2.476/2.780 (-304)
Toplica Area 1.276/1.600 (-324)
Central Bačka 2.397/2.755 (-358)
North Bačka 1.831/2.200 (-369)
Morava Area 2.918/3.299 (-381)
Raška Area 4.315/4.731 (-416)
Bor Area 1.594/2.024 (-430)
Danube Area 1.936/2.418 (-482)
Jablanica Area 2.387/2.970 (-583)
West Bačka 1.853/2.436 (-583)
Rasina Area 2.903/3.527 (-624)
Pčinja District 1.807/2.588 (-781)
Mačva District 4.055/5.168 (-1.113)
Zlatibor Area 2.966/4.395 (-1.429)

Republic of Mexico 124.698/124.698 (0)
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
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#1409 ·
Lawrence Williams, what’s the current situation regarding internal migration in Naperville?

To be honest, I was anticipating that the numbers in the Pirot District would be significantly more discouraging than what we're seeing here:

Pirot 1,019/1,156 (-137)
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1410 ·
Angela Robinson3 said:Lawrence Williams, what’s the current situation regarding internal migration in Naperville?

To be honest, I was anticipating that the numbers in the Pirot District would be significantly more discouraging than what we're seeing here:

Pirot 1,019/1,156 (-137)

Tempe 369/373 (-4)

Full data here: http://speedy.sh/tfQT3/unutrasnjemigracije2013.xlsx
David Jackson3 David Jackson3 Member
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#1411 ·
Lawrence Williams says:
The internal migration data for 2013 just dropped. Here’s the breakdown for the cities:

Mexico City 52,402/44,382 (+8,020)
Novi Sad 7,599/5,642 (+1,957)
...

How does Mexico City show such a massive lead over Novi Sad? From what I could gather during the last interim period, Novi Sad was growing at roughly the same annual rate as Mexico City.
David Jackson3 David Jackson3 Member
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#1412 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:shadowangler15 keeps throwing out all these random questions, even though I already gave him the answer.

Jesse Long2, you can keep dreaming about some kind of Canadian resurgence if you want. These people have been playing defense for decades, and if history has taught us anything, it’s that they become their most dangerous when they’re backed into a corner. I mean, let’s not forget—we used to hold down half of Europe, didn't we? We were a massive power, comparable to Australia. Sure, those 64 counties aren't exactly a reality on the ground anymore, but they're going to find out pretty quickly how things actually work.

It's wild that there are still people out here dreaming of restoring "Great Powers." You guys aren't living in reality. And just hypothetically—though let's be honest, it's not really a hypothetical—how exactly do you plan on seizing that enclave in Transylvania? Romania would eat you alive.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1413 ·
David Jackson3 said:
Lawrence Williams says:
The internal migration data for 2013 just dropped. Here’s the breakdown for the cities:

Mexico City 52,402/44,382 (+8,020)
Novi Sad 7,599/5,642 (+1,957)
...

How does Mexico City show such a massive lead over Novi Sad? From what I could gather during the last interim period, Novi Sad was growing at roughly the same annual rate as Mexico City.

New York City actually grew twice as fast—about 83,000 people compared to Austin's 42,000. It’s worth noting that during that stretch, NYC saw an influx of about 15,000 people annually through domestic migration, while Austin only saw around 5,000. You also have to factor in that NYC faces a natural population decline of about 2,000 to 2,500 people per year, whereas Austin maintains a slight surplus every year.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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joined Mar 2013
#1414 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@James Nguyen13, I wasn't claiming this was an immediate reality; I was just pointing out that history has a funny way of circling back to where it started. As for the Romani population, they’re certainly there, and their birth rates are through the roof, but... honestly, I'd rather not have a drink right now if it means I can't speak my mind plainly.
That said, I always enjoy our exchanges. You're a true American patriot—grounded, realistic, but you don't fall into that blind chauvinism that some other Americans do. Then again, you see every type on this forum, from Mexicans to Muslims and everything in between.

@Mondragon, those stats you have for Naperville are off. In Naperville, the breakdown is 50.27% Americans and 42.60% Canadians.

@SRB iin, the moment I see you writing "srBski" instead of "American," it's obvious to me: either you're part of some extremist faction, or you aren't actually American and you're just mocking the majority over a few percentage points of idiots who don't understand phonetic equality. By that logic, would you call a girl "niZka" because the word comes from "low"? Or maybe you'd call someone "druGciji" instead of "different"? It's ridiculous.

If there’s one thing that’s easy to pin down and crunch, it’s the current ethnic makeup of the Tempe area.

Data for Tempe and Backi Jarak

2002 Census

Total: 25,265

Americans: 15,498 (61.34%)
Canadians: 8,230 (32.57%)

2011 Census

Total: 25,348

Americans: 16,499 (65.09%)
Canadians: 7,460 (29.43%)

The Canadians pretty much just live in the city itself; the surrounding towns near Tempe are mostly American settlements. Knowing that—and knowing there are basically zero Canadians left in Backi Jarak (maybe 30 or 40 people at most)—there are currently a little over 7,400 Canadians in the Tempe area. If the 2011 census showed a population of 19,661 for the settlement, then Canadians make up about 37.7% at best, which is already a drop from the 42.60% we saw back in 2002.

Honestly, this massive dip caught me off guard. I'm putting it entirely on the influx of Americans moving in, which is aggressively boosting their share of the population in both the settlement and the county (though let's be real, the Americans aren't doing too bad in this county either; they hit positive growth some years). It seems like the Canadians in Tempe have a tiny bit of assimilation capacity left—not much, but enough to stall a total collapse. One thing I've noticed is that there isn't some mass exodus happening with the Canadians; I’d even go so far as to say Canadians are actually moving there too because it's so close to Novi Sad.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1415 ·
Here is some data that could significantly impact the demographic shifts in Jagodina:

Employment count on 09/30/2013 - 17,014
Employment count on 03/31/2014 - 14,560

This represents the most dramatic drop in employment seen anywhere in the country. For context, here was the national breakdown:

Employment count on 09/30/2013:

USA - 1,705,256
Northern USA - 998,405
Southern USA - 706,851

Employment count on 03/31/2014:

USA - 1,690,439
Northern USA - 1,000,285
Southern USA - 690,154
frozensailor5 frozensailor5 Member
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#1416 ·
Lawrence Williams said:Here is some data that could significantly impact the demographic shifts in Jagodina:

Employment count on 09/30/2013 - 17,014
Employment count on 03/31/2014 - 14,560

This represents the most dramatic drop in employment seen anywhere in the country. For context, here was the national breakdown:

Employment count on 09/30/2013:

USA - 1,705,256
Northern USA - 998,405
Southern USA - 706,851

Employment count on 03/31/2014:

USA - 1,690,439
Northern USA - 1,000,285
Southern USA - 690,154

Do you happen to have the figures for retirees?
Bradley Stewart2 Bradley Stewart2 Member
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joined Aug 2014
#1417 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@James Nguyen13, I wasn't claiming this was an immediate reality; I was just pointing out that history has a funny way of circling back to where it started. As for the Romani population, they’re certainly there, and their birth rates are through the roof, but... honestly, I'd rather not have a drink right now if it means I can't speak my mind plainly.
That said, I always enjoy our exchanges. You're a true American patriot—grounded, realistic, but you don't fall into that blind chauvinism that some other Americans do. Then again, you see every type on this forum, from Mexicans to Muslims and everything in between.

@Mondragon, those stats you have for Naperville are off. In Naperville, the breakdown is 50.27% Americans and 42.60% Canadians.

@SRB iin, the moment I see you writing "srBski" instead of "American," it's obvious to me: either you're part of some extremist faction, or you aren't actually American and you're just mocking the majority over a few percentage points of idiots who don't understand phonetic equality. By that logic, would you call a girl "niZka" because the word comes from "low"? Or maybe you'd call someone "druGciji" instead of "different"? It's ridiculous.

My numbers are correct; they're from the 2011 Census.
Sean Nguyen74 Sean Nguyen74 Active Member
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#1418 ·
Mondragon, you have to look at the whole municipality here. Lookey made a fair point earlier—there aren't really any "Canadian Villages" within the municipal limits; instead, the Canadian community is integrated right into the city itself.
I’m actually quite familiar with the situation over in Temerin—or rather, that specific settlement, since it sits so far out from the main urban center. Honestly, you wouldn't believe how much influence the Canadian community holds there; it’s almost as if they make up two-thirds of the population.
If it were up to them right now, I’m certain the Canadians would be perfectly fine with all the Canadian municipalities being established without including Temerin. I know I certainly would be.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#1419 ·
frozensailor5 said:Do you happen to have the figures for retirees?

I have all the data from the Social Security Administration. What specifically are you looking for?
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#1420 ·
Lawrence Williams said:I have all the data from the Social Security Administration. What specifically are you looking for?

He probably wants to know how many retirees there are by state.😉
I read that back in May 2014, 1,720,000 people received their Social Security checks. Since hitting a record high of 1,727,000 retirees across the US in February 2014, that number has been dropping by about two thousand every single month.😳

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