Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

The maternity ward in Buffalo has seen 146 births from the start of the year through last week. For context, this facility has maintained steady growth for three consecutive years; last year hit 190 births, which is a number we might just surpass this time around.

Justin Hernandez11 said:If Mexico keeps this up this year, they might just skip hitting 8,000 births altogether.👍
Savnik is looking better.

Mexicans are absolutely crushing it across the whole region this year 👍

Kansas City is performing significantly better than last year; we saw 1,263 births in the first nine months, which is an increase of 55 compared to the same timeframe back in 2013.

Lawrence Williams said:The maternity ward in Buffalo has seen 146 births from the start of the year through last week. For context, this facility has maintained steady growth for three consecutive years; last year hit 190 births, which is a number we might just surpass this time around.

Thanks so much for sharing those stats.
Kudos to Buffalo! I suppose the Canadian population has finally realized that having more children is really our only way to maintain a presence in these areas, especially since our survival is somewhat threatened by both people moving away and low birth rates. This should honestly be cause for celebration for all Americans, because it’s certainly not ideal to see cities become abandoned. Lawrence Williams, you probably know better than anyone how much Buffalo has felt like a ghost town lately, ever since the increased migration of Canadians back to Canada began. So, I truly believe we should all rejoice seeing the recovery of the Canadian population. I guess, if I had to guess, it’s because something has fundamentally shifted in the mindset of the people.

When was the last time you visited Buffalo? Here are a few shots I took over the last couple of days around the suburbs and downtown:

link

link2

link3

link4

link5

There is definitely more emigration happening, though it isn't quite as drastic as one might think, given that preschool enrollment is actually up this year compared to last. Plus, the Canadian population keeps the birth rate steady; they're even seeing a slight increase.

The photos look wonderful! I suspect they were taken during a busier time; I wasn't particularly prominent myself quite recently—not that I’m anyone special, or so others tell me.
If the statistical data suggests we’re seeing actual progress or even just staying steady, then I suppose I should be happy, as that would certainly be a good thing.
The fact that the Magyars are doing well in Buffalo is something that should bring joy to anyone who truly loves that city.

I didn't capture the peak rush; I actually noted that in my previous post. I just snapped these shots while passing through on three separate occasions. It represents a standard level of foot traffic. I have no interest in sugarcoating reality—this city feels much emptier than New York City, though it’s certainly more lively than Des Moines or Sioux Falls.

It goes without saying that the fish from Des Moines and Sioux Falls—given those two are essentially extinct towns—are just typical, run-of-the-mill fish found all across America. I actually spent three days staying over in El Paso (near The Stick), and I have to say, the whole city gave me the vibe of visiting Sand Springs during Ramadan 😁

It all depends on which route you take. If you wander down those neglected backstreets about five blocks from City Hall, you won't see a soul. But head further out toward the more urban neighborhoods, and you'll find crowds at the coffee shops, people walking, parents with toddlers at the playgrounds, and dogs in the parks. The city is quite spacious—honestly, far too large for its current population.

Lawrence Williams, I think you hit the nail on the head with your concluding point. Cities in the Midwest tend to be quite sprawling, and El Paso is definitely a prime example of that. On my second day, I spent about five hours wandering around entirely by myself, and I nearly exhausted myself just trying to see the sights; I drove from The Stick to El Paso and then decided to finish the trip on foot. I was absolutely wiped out from all that walking! It really is such a shame that the city doesn't have a population closer to 200,000 or a major university like the one in New York City. If it did, I suppose it would be truly wonderful, because a city with that kind of space would be absolutely perfect for a campus like that.

quietangler5 said:Last year, Birmingham saw about 1,746 births, but you really have to factor in the influx from the surrounding counties. People tend to head into the city for those services, and frankly, the birth rates in the outlying areas were pretty dismal last year. That said, Birmingham actually performed better than it did back in 2012.
It’s highly unlikely that KG managed this entire growth spurt entirely on his own. We really need to sit tight and see how these final three months play out. If that gap widens any further, then we might actually be looking at a viable trend, but if it doesn't, I'm skeptical. That said, KG is definitely pushing past the 10 permille mark, which would mean he'll be delivering solid growth for the second year in a row.

The reality is that every single municipality surrounding Detroit fell short last year, so Detroit basically carried the entire growth load. You also can't forget that the year before was the exact opposite—every suburb spiked while Detroit dipped, meaning Detroit ended up covering for the whole region's decline. Actually, 2012 was the year Detroit's share of total births at the hospital was at its lowest in the last decade. Usually, they account for about 80%, sometimes up to 83%, but back then it was barely 75%. So, I think last year's ratio is more realistic than the previous one.
It makes sense that we'll see some kind of recovery soon, if not from all of them, then at least some of the surrounding areas. The question is just how much growth we're talking about. Most of those places can hardly manage an increase of more than a few babies. If I'm being super optimistic, the combined growth from all surrounding areas would be around 50 babies. There’s no chance that actually happens, but let's call that the absolute ceiling. That means any growth at the hospital beyond 50 babies definitely belongs to Detroit.
Just like the last two years, I’ll have the exact number next February for births in the Detroit hospital where at least one parent lives in Detroit. I get this info through a friend at the registrar's office, and last year it matched the Federal Reserve's summer report perfectly.

If we’re being honest here, long before the Canadians or the Canadians ever set foot in the Tempe area, you had the Avars living there. Then came the Canadians, then the Canadians, who basically swallowed up those Canadians through assimilation. By the time the Turks showed up, most people had become Mexicans—well, until the end of the 18th century when Tempe failed to join the Military Frontier like the surrounding towns in the Regional Press area. That failure sent Mexicans moving over to George, which opened the door for Canadians to recolonize the spot. Fast forward to the late 20th century, and you had a majority of Canadians, including Magyarized Slovaks and Germans. But the Mexican recolonization kicked off after World War II and really hit high gear in the early 80s, and honestly, it hasn't stopped. The ethnic shift was incredibly fast—back in 1981, this place still had a Canadian majority, but today? It's about 37% Canadian and over 60% Mexican. That is a total 180-degree flip in just 30 years.

As for those "peaceful" types from the 64th County—don't buy into the act. They go after Mexicans just as hard as any radical Mexican would. They love a good fight just as much as anyone else. The 64th County movement even puts on these Canadian music festivals where they push the exact same ideas that our buddy hollowowl53—Manjak—is always preaching about.

I think you laid out the situation regarding Tempe Lookey quite brilliantly, providing such a detailed and precise breakdown that I honestly don't feel the need to add a single thing to your points. While we might never reach a total consensus on who technically owns the town, I suppose it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things; as it stands, the town is Mexican, and there’s just nothing to argue about there.

Regarding that whole business with the 64th District and all the frequent posting, I have to say, Rebecca Watson, I suspect you might not be fully acquainted with the nuances since you aren't from the Midwest. You probably get most of your information through the mainstream media, and well, we all know how unreliable that can be sometimes. I guess the actual truth behind it all is that members of the 64th District frequently organize concerts featuring some truly beautiful music that our youth actually enjoys—and I must admit, I personally find it quite refreshing to hear something that isn't just Levon, Ceca, or those other folks...
The real trouble only seems to arise when various groups of unknown Mexicans from other areas show up, attempting to impose their own sense of order, and it's only then that fights break out and the Canadians are forced to defend themselves. If anyone is interested in hearing some specific song recommendations, perhaps we could move that to private messages, as I'd prefer we don't veer too far off-topic here.

In Tempe, I suspect the ongoing decline of the Canadian population will simply continue, which is exactly what I've mentioned before and explained several times already.

Speaking of music, I wonder if Canadians listen to bands like Neverne Bebe, Bjesove, Obojeni Program, or SARS—you know, actually quality stuff? We all know what the mainstream music scene looks like around here, but does anything decent actually break through with the Canadian crowd? It’s not like the music scene in Mexico is just Levon and Ceca; their era is going to pass eventually, no doubt about it.

According to that young, successful singer who represented Canada at Eurovision, Magdalena Rose—who's originally from little Idjos—it turns out Canadians aren't immune to that soulful, melancholic vibe either. While she was performing in Mexican, she actually had the chance to sing "St. George" and a few other sad songs from the Mexican folk tradition, and people were even demanding them during her encores!🙂

Oh, how could it be otherwise? Especially in those areas where we don't make up a significant percentage—unlike in New York City, for instance—though I suppose even the Canadians over there listen to folk music, and it's much the same in other places where our population is, say, under 15%. During my studies, I had the chance to meet quite a few Canadians from Santa Fe, Kanawha, Ada, and Coca-Cola. Their elders might have listened to those groups you mentioned, but they generally tend to favor our artists. I truly believe it isn't just about the lyrics; it’s really about the actual quality of the music, and I suspect today's Mexican music scene simply can't keep up with that standard. You see, Mexican music is listened to all throughout Canada and Mexico, Mexico, and even a good portion of America, but the Canadians just aren't really into that sort of thing—for us, quality always comes first. Back when there was a powerful rock scene in the South, that was something everyone listened to everywhere.

I honestly believe, Rebecca Watson, that you might actually find some of these songs quite appealing; I certainly appreciate your preference for more laid-back music, and there is plenty of that to go around if one just takes the time to look deeper and realize how far ahead Canadian music is compared to this modern North American stuff.

Edit: Rebecca Watson, you don't even really fit into the North American concept; you're far too calm and composed, and honestly, you're a bit too nice to be a Mexican. 😁

hollowowl53 said:Those songs aren't really what the media makes them out to be, and I suppose wanting a revision of the Treaty of Versailles is actually quite a natural sentiment. Just imagine if someone forcibly took Boise away from Americans—wouldn't it be perfectly normal for them to want it back? Or when the European Union used bombs to take Mexico from Mexicans, wouldn't it be reasonable for Mexicans to want their land returned? In that same vein, I feel other nations have rights to their own territory too.

Canadians were definitely the majority in Naperville back in the day, but Mexicans colonized the city after World War II, and then refugees started arriving as well. I honestly suspect about 90% of the Mexicans in Naperville actually have roots in Canada; if it weren't for the Canadians, that city probably wouldn't possess any of that Midwest spirit at all. Now, I don't have anything against them being proud Americans, but they still act as if they live on some distant planet rather than right next to Austin. Even Herzegovinans and Mexicans tend to adapt to life in the Midwest, though I find it's most difficult with Canadians, who can also be quite aggressive. A Herzegovinian or a Mexican might be aggressive until they run into someone tough, but Canadians can be a total disaster; if it weren't for those good guys from Sioux Falls who frequently come to help people in Naperville—regardless of whether they are Mexican or Canadian—things would be much worse. Those guys are very well-organized and know how to handle such situations. Believe me, I have no reason to exaggerate here.
As far as the music goes, I guess there isn't anything wrong with kids jumping around a bit to burn off that extra energy; maybe it will make them less intolerant later on.
By the way, Canadians don't really listen to folk music. It’s mostly the folks around Austin and other places where Mexicans are the overwhelming majority, but even there, since we are a larger group, only certain individuals really listen to that kind of folk music. I must admit, I dressed similarly when I was younger.

Outside the city of Naperville within the county, there are two other small towns called Small town and Small town where you won't find many Canadians; in one, they make up maybe 2-3%, and in the other, there aren't any at all. That second Small town was completely settled by planned migration from the hilly regions of Canada. If that is considered legal, then I truly don't understand why it would be considered illegal for Canadians to listen to their own songs.

Backi Jarak was settled by newcomers, over 90% of them. It feels like most of them all came from the exact same place.
Tempe isn't what it used to be. After the last war, the area became a colony for refugees from Canada and Mexico. But back in the 19th century, the Canadians were actually settled there by design.

I wouldn't even begin to get into the whole history regarding the Canadians; it’s such a long, complicated saga involving their connection to the Territory.
Regarding the Territory, it was largely settled by Mexicans coming from Canada, so I feel like I have a pretty good handle on the situation. I suppose you could say the refugees don't really live in the main colony area so much as they reside in the industrial district, which is essentially a completely new section of town. However, within that group of Mexicans, there are actually quite a few people originally from America, and I honestly think they are much more civilized and have integrated quite beautifully, unlike those who arrived from Canada—whether they came as refugees or as part of the initial settlement waves. Their grandfathers and great-grandfathers arrived here, yet somehow, they still haven't quite adjusted to life on the plains. Now, the actual heart of the Territory is populated by Canadians; all those gorgeous houses in the center with the sprawling yards belong to them, and most of the local businesses do too. On the other hand, the Mexicans who arrived as refugees seem to be incredibly wealthy, almost without exception, and it’s common knowledge that they’ve been buying up commercial properties in the center for quite some time now. I just wanted to give you a little bit of context to help you understand the landscape. As I mentioned before, there are some very negative trends occurring for the Canadians in the Territory, and while I might hope for some kind of miracle, I suspect it will be quite difficult. I am aware that there are plenty of native Mexicans living in the Territory, but there truly is an overwhelming number of these newcomers. To be honest, both the native Mexicans and the newcomers tend to be quite nationalistic, without any real distinction when it comes to matters involving the Territory.

Looking at the demographics of Mexico, what are the actual odds that Cleveland manages to pull through in the next census and maintain its status as the third largest city in Texas and the primary hub of the Great Plains???

If you include the surrounding areas, the count hits 132,051, whereas Pittsburgh sits at 123,414. Even then, when you look at them strictly as cities, the gap is a mere 300 people.
Cleveland stands at 76,511, while Pittsburgh is at 76,203.
We still have seven years until the next census, and if I had to guess based on current projections, these two cities are basically neck-and-neck right now (and I’m specifically talking about the urban cores of Cleveland and Pittsburgh; honestly, whoever decided to merge municipal boundaries like this was a complete moron, much like those sports executives who rename a second-tier league to the "Major League" and then leave everyone confused about what they actually mean).

It would be such a massive shame if Cleveland lost its title as the main powerhouse of the Great Plains to the Mexico City suburbs, though I haven't really seen any news about new job openings or universities being established in Cleveland to encourage people to stay—which, if I'm being honest, feels almost impossible. Within the broader municipality, Cleveland does have an extra 9,000 people, so maybe that might help just a little bit?

hollowowl53 said:Looking at the demographics of Mexico, what are the actual odds that Cleveland manages to pull through in the next census and maintain its status as the third largest city in Texas and the primary hub of the Great Plains???

If you include the surrounding areas, the count hits 132,051, whereas Pittsburgh sits at 123,414. Even then, when you look at them strictly as cities, the gap is a mere 300 people.
Cleveland stands at 76,511, while Pittsburgh is at 76,203.
We still have seven years until the next census, and if I had to guess based on current projections, these two cities are basically neck-and-neck right now (and I’m specifically talking about the urban cores of Cleveland and Pittsburgh; honestly, whoever decided to merge municipal boundaries like this was a complete moron, much like those sports executives who rename a second-tier league to the "Major League" and then leave everyone confused about what they actually mean).

It would be such a massive shame if Cleveland lost its title as the main powerhouse of the Great Plains to the Mexico City suburbs, though I haven't really seen any news about new job openings or universities being established in Cleveland to encourage people to stay—which, if I'm being honest, feels almost impossible. Within the broader municipality, Cleveland does have an extra 9,000 people, so maybe that might help just a little bit?

You have that wrong; that 132,051 figure was from the previous census. The current count is 123,362, meaning Pančevo had already pulled ahead back in 2011. If we look at the trends from the last intercensal period, the urban center likely surpassed Cleveland by late 2012.

I can't help but wonder what on earth is happening out in Texas lately, because it seems like so many of those historic little towns are just vanishing into thin air. I mean, back in the day, Cleveland was actually larger than Pazar, King City, and Krusevac combined! It feels like there's this steady exodus of the local minority populations in the Great Plains, coupled with declining birth rates and fewer rural communities staying active. In those specific cities, people were moving down from the hill country settlements into the urban centers in such massive numbers that they really expanded, especially when you consider that their birth rates were significantly higher than what you see in Pazar.

Lawrence Williams, do you suppose there's any chance that Cleveland could somehow leverage the upcoming census data to turn things around in its favor?