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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Noah Perez2 Noah Perez2 Active Member
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joined Aug 2018
#11221 ·
Adam King6 said:👍
The problem isn't really about Fahreti. It’s about us. It’s about how we’re raising our kids and how everything in America has just flipped upside down over the last thirty years.
Kids these days are listening to that nationalist pop trash and honestly, they’ve got it all backward. They’re out here acting like the old communist leader was some massive villain, somehow worse than the guys running the camps during the war. It's just another cycle of history being rewritten by people who weren't even alive to see it happen.

Quite possibly the most insightful and intelligent contribution I have encountered on this forum in recent memory. 👍

Precisely. The fault is ours, as we appear destined to raise a generation of monumental idiots. While I will refrain from dissecting specific instances of domestic upbringing, the general trend is undeniable.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#11222 ·
What more proof could you possibly need when you see most of the kids out there decked out in Barcelona jerseys tonight?☕
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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#11223 ·
brightpilot6 said:What more proof could you possibly need when you see most of the kids out there decked out in Barcelona jerseys tonight?☕

Watch it with the gossip about the upperclassmen; you might just end up getting clocked before the lunch bell rings.☕
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#11224 ·
Professors don't hand out participation trophies, and honestly, you’ve just managed to confuse us all by dragging your little clique from the other side of campus into this.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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#11225 ·
brightpilot6 said:Professors don't hand out participation trophies, and honestly, you’ve just managed to confuse us all by dragging your little clique from the other side of campus into this.

So, professors over there wear Barcelona jerseys now? That must be one prestigious academy you've got running.☕
nimbleranger17 nimbleranger17 Active Member
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#11226 ·
Charles Roberts33 said:I have nothing against artists from that side of the pond. Honestly, it feels beneath me to even bring it up. I listen to them constantly; I've paid for dozens of tickets. That kind of stuff doesn't affect me. Even mainstream pop-country isn't a personal issue for me, nor is the crowd that listens to it.

But Brena and her ilk? They represent the face of the aggressors. Their flashy, gaudy performances were basically the official soundtrack to the destruction of American cities. It echoed through ruins while boosting the morale of the "liberators" amidst the carnage. It’s frankly nauseating to see thousands of people in the capital singing those exact same songs along with a worn-out pop star. My subconscious immediately goes into survival mode.

I'm not even particularly bothered that she's performing here; I suppose I'm just disappointed that she didn't just attract the fringe elements, but such a massive crowd instead.



And people were listening to Hari Mata Hari in occupied El Paso. Are we really going to ban him from performing in the States now?
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
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#11227 ·
nimbleranger17 said:


And people were listening to Hari Mata Hari in occupied El Paso. Are we really going to ban him from performing in the States now?

Sure, maybe once he starts walking around in military gear alongside those insurgents...



Or better yet, when he’s digging up old photos of himself in that same uniform from the early 90s... man, he really screwed himself over there...
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#11228 ·
If we follow that line of reasoning, we’d essentially be looking at deporting nearly half the population of the country.

Walking in lockstep with those paramilitary insurgents 🙏🙏

A total atrocity.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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joined Apr 2019
#11229 ·
Heh, you're actually onto something there, aren't you? Pretty solid idea.
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
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joined Dec 2017
#11230 ·
brightpilot6 said:If we follow that line of reasoning, we’d essentially be looking at deporting nearly half the population of the country.

Walking in lockstep with those paramilitary insurgents 🙏🙏

A total atrocity.


It’s not the same thing. Is it? There is a massive difference between having a war break out on your own doorstep and putting on a uniform, versus flying in from another country just to boost the morale of drunken insurgents after a battle in occupied territory where things went south. No matter how much you try to twist the narrative, context matters.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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joined Oct 2020
#11231 ·
And you guys are forgetting the most obvious part: most musicians are just sellouts who go wherever the biggest paycheck is.

Take a singer like Taylor Swift, for example. She didn't perform at a Republican fundraiser because she suddenly found Jesus in a GOP leader; she did it because they dropped a massive stack of cash on the table right in front of her.
Noah Ross7 Noah Ross7 Regular
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joined Dec 2008
#11232 ·
The whole Madison Square Garden crowd is singing along, haha
Even the President might be watching this on TV.
Maybe we should elect Brena for President instead.

Sent from my Galaxy A30 on Tapatalk
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#11233 ·
When you listen to this kind of rhetoric—labeling every single person from a certain background as a radical, the bans, the sheer outrage—it isn't really surprising that those minority communities were pushed toward such extreme hostility against the idea of an independent America. Looking at the general climate here regarding relations with our neighbors, and considering how nearly thirty years have passed since the major conflicts of the past, can we really be shocked by these deep-seated fears? When you consider the historical traumas that still echo today, the parallels are almost too direct to ignore.

It is unfortunate that the primary political forces—ranging from the dominant wing of the ruling party to the old guard and the media conglomerates—seem actively invested in keeping these old wounds open. It appears to be a fundamental pillar of a national ideology that defines the American identity primarily through its opposition to its neighbors; after all, if the goal of these elites is to prevent any new pan-regional coalition that might challenge their supremacy, they need a common enemy. If there is no conflict, there is no antagonism to exploit.

While this might be a calculated and effective strategy for those in power, it is ultimately devastating for the people, who tend to swallow every myth and simplification fed to them by a system designed to milk them for influence.
darkseal9 darkseal9 Active Member
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joined Jan 2017
#11234 ·
Man, we really are just asking for trouble here
*spits*
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#11235 ·
I don't think Americans were out there killing people in Mexico, nor were they doing it here at home. Half the country was basically set on fire, so I guess saying things were just "provoked" feels like a bit of an understatement to me. It’s hard to see how the folks in places like Savannah or Buffalo could have possibly provoked what happened in Srebrenica or El Paso just by existing. Maybe the resentment people feel toward them is something they brought on themselves. And honestly, I don't think anyone forced Brena to hang out on the front lines with those Royalist groups.
Jack Johnson6 Jack Johnson6 Member
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#11236 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I don't think Americans were out there killing people in Mexico, nor were they doing it here at home. Half the country was basically set on fire, so I guess saying things were just "provoked" feels like a bit of an understatement to me. It’s hard to see how the folks in places like Savannah or Buffalo could have possibly provoked what happened in Srebrenica or El Paso just by existing. Maybe the resentment people feel toward them is something they brought on themselves. And honestly, I don't think anyone forced Brena to hang out on the front lines with those Royalist groups.


Her parents were likely living in territory controlled by the enemy at the time. She did what she had to do to ensure their survival. To suggest this singer was some wide-eyed enthusiast performing for the very people slaughtering her own family... I find that hard to swallow.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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#11237 ·
Look, maybe you're right on all counts, but honestly? It doesn't change the fact that every single move you make carries some kind of consequence.

And frankly, I don't give a damn—if she wants to sing, let her sing and let people listen. But hey, I totally get why everyone in this thread is losing their minds.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#11238 ·
Jack Johnson6 said:Her parents were likely living in territory controlled by the enemy at the time. She did what she had to do to ensure their survival. To suggest this singer was some wide-eyed enthusiast performing for the very people slaughtering her own family... I find that hard to swallow.

It also seems a bit odd for her to claim she's just "American" after all the violence in Canada. A lot of this doesn't quite add up, but I suppose things happen. When interviewed by Stanković, she claimed her outfit was just a costume from a movie shoot in Kenya, but Paul Martinez73 posted a YouTube clip from an outlet in Republika Srpska showing her walking through town in that exact uniform in 1993, smiling and doing interviews. Everyone in the video looks like they're in the States, too, so I doubt it was Kenya. Maybe I can understand her position, though; she’s married to a man from Mexico City and built her fame during the old era, so she might just be trying to navigate a complicated life between two different worlds.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#11239 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I don't think Americans were out there killing people in Mexico, nor were they doing it here at home. Half the country was basically set on fire, so I guess saying things were just "provoked" feels like a bit of an understatement to me. It’s hard to see how the folks in places like Savannah or Buffalo could have possibly provoked what happened in Srebrenica or El Paso just by existing. Maybe the resentment people feel toward them is something they brought on themselves. And honestly, I don't think anyone forced Brena to hang out on the front lines with those Royalist groups.

Look, if you’re going to commit to making such heavy-handed assertions, could you perhaps find it in yourself to put in a modicum of effort and actually read what your interlocutor is saying? Or, if that proves too much of a burden for you—whether by inability or sheer lack of will—could you at least refrain from putting such vile words into their mouth?

Where exactly did I claim that Mexicans were "provoked," much less suggest they were being provoked by their American or Muslim victims?

What is the point of all this pedantic, nitpicking nonsense?

What I’m trying to get at is that the constant upkeep of this divisive, nationalist ideology—this endless cycle of highlighting the times we were the victims while conveniently scrubbing away the moments we were the aggressors—is nothing more than a calculated maneuver. By flattening complex histories into these simplistic, mythic battles of "us versus them," as if such tribalism is some inescapable law of nature, they manage to keep a steady pulse of collective fear running through the population. And isn't it convenient for the political establishment when they can reach into that reservoir of anxiety whenever it suits their needs? Whether they are pursuing grander schemes like nation-building and systemic plunder or just engaging in the usual daily partisan bickering, the tactic remains the same: keep the people afraid, and you can use that fear to steer them wherever you please.

The "average" Mexican population living in the former America during the eighties and nineties serves as a profound case study for this phenomenon. Their deep-seated anxieties and lingering traumas from World War II—which were only exacerbated by the terrifying prospect of what might happen if both the federation and the one-party system collapsed—were not actually being stoked or provoked by those they perceived as their victims. Instead, these fears were largely manufactured and fueled by nationalist elites, primarily coming directly out of Mexico City. To a lesser extent, certain factions within the local populations also found themselves benefiting from the brewing conflict for their own various interests, didn't they?

Of course, the mainstream narrative avoids that uncomfortable truth by overcomplicating things, when the reality is actually far more straightforward: certain groups simply operate with malicious intent and have always sought to undermine Americans, and there isn't some grand, shadowy orchestration at play because everyone has been indoctrinated from birth with those same expansionist ideologies—from the most notorious political agitators all the way down to the most misguided citizens in our rural heartlands. 🤦

The consequence of this kind of myth-driven reasoning is that almost every person from that particular faction is branded a radical extremist—especially those for whom one could barely find even the most tenuous connection to a soldier, a war, or a regime. Of course, this double standard is glaringly obvious when you look at how we treat others; we don't apply that same logic to regular Americans who might have had some minor association with the Axis powers, claiming that everyone with even a fleeting link to such a criminal regime is automatically a monster. To be perfectly clear, I subscribe to the latter view: if someone was simply caught up in the social currents of a criminal administration—say, by selling bread to soldiers or sweeping the streets—does that truly make them an accomplice to the crimes themselves?

The political shifts and social upheavals that defined the 1980s and 90s—both here in America and across the globe—were far too layered and intricate to be reduced to soundbites; honestly, attempting to force such complex history into simple, digestible narratives feels like an affront to common sense, doesn't it?

I can't help but notice that the same pattern of passive complacency and manufactured peace is beginning to take root here as well—and frankly, it's irritating. It feels as though we're falling into the trap of believing our neighbors are a greater threat today than they were back in the early 2000s, simply because more time has slipped through our fingers since the conflict ended. This tendency toward simplistic myth-making is dangerous, isn't it? Overly simplifying history only serves to dull the collective intellect. Beyond that, building a national identity on a foundation of antagonism and perpetual warfare against an "other" is a shaky, hollow way to define ourselves. Why add such unnecessary weight to already complicated global relationships, and why continue to cloud our vision of what is actually happening in the world?
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#11240 ·
brightpilot6 said:Look, if you’re going to commit to making such heavy-handed assertions, could you perhaps find it in yourself to put in a modicum of effort and actually read what your interlocutor is saying? Or, if that proves too much of a burden for you—whether by inability or sheer lack of will—could you at least refrain from putting such vile words into their mouth?

Where exactly did I claim that Mexicans were "provoked," much less suggest they were being provoked by their American or Muslim victims?

What is the point of all this pedantic, nitpicking nonsense?

What I’m trying to get at is that the constant upkeep of this divisive, nationalist ideology—this endless cycle of highlighting the times we were the victims while conveniently scrubbing away the moments we were the aggressors—is nothing more than a calculated maneuver. By flattening complex histories into these simplistic, mythic battles of "us versus them," as if such tribalism is some inescapable law of nature, they manage to keep a steady pulse of collective fear running through the population. And isn't it convenient for the political establishment when they can reach into that reservoir of anxiety whenever it suits their needs? Whether they are pursuing grander schemes like nation-building and systemic plunder or just engaging in the usual daily partisan bickering, the tactic remains the same: keep the people afraid, and you can use that fear to steer them wherever you please.

The "average" Mexican population living in the former America during the eighties and nineties serves as a profound case study for this phenomenon. Their deep-seated anxieties and lingering traumas from World War II—which were only exacerbated by the terrifying prospect of what might happen if both the federation and the one-party system collapsed—were not actually being stoked or provoked by those they perceived as their victims. Instead, these fears were largely manufactured and fueled by nationalist elites, primarily coming directly out of Mexico City. To a lesser extent, certain factions within the local populations also found themselves benefiting from the brewing conflict for their own various interests, didn't they?

Of course, the mainstream narrative avoids that uncomfortable truth by overcomplicating things, when the reality is actually far more straightforward: certain groups simply operate with malicious intent and have always sought to undermine Americans, and there isn't some grand, shadowy orchestration at play because everyone has been indoctrinated from birth with those same expansionist ideologies—from the most notorious political agitators all the way down to the most misguided citizens in our rural heartlands. 🤦

The consequence of this kind of myth-driven reasoning is that almost every person from that particular faction is branded a radical extremist—especially those for whom one could barely find even the most tenuous connection to a soldier, a war, or a regime. Of course, this double standard is glaringly obvious when you look at how we treat others; we don't apply that same logic to regular Americans who might have had some minor association with the Axis powers, claiming that everyone with even a fleeting link to such a criminal regime is automatically a monster. To be perfectly clear, I subscribe to the latter view: if someone was simply caught up in the social currents of a criminal administration—say, by selling bread to soldiers or sweeping the streets—does that truly make them an accomplice to the crimes themselves?

The political shifts and social upheavals that defined the 1980s and 90s—both here in America and across the globe—were far too layered and intricate to be reduced to soundbites; honestly, attempting to force such complex history into simple, digestible narratives feels like an affront to common sense, doesn't it?

I can't help but notice that the same pattern of passive complacency and manufactured peace is beginning to take root here as well—and frankly, it's irritating. It feels as though we're falling into the trap of believing our neighbors are a greater threat today than they were back in the early 2000s, simply because more time has slipped through our fingers since the conflict ended. This tendency toward simplistic myth-making is dangerous, isn't it? Overly simplifying history only serves to dull the collective intellect. Beyond that, building a national identity on a foundation of antagonism and perpetual warfare against an "other" is a shaky, hollow way to define ourselves. Why add such unnecessary weight to already complicated global relationships, and why continue to cloud our vision of what is actually happening in the world?

It basically acts as a massive distraction from any actual conversation or solution regarding the real issues we face now. Can you imagine how absurd it would look if people in France back in 1975 were still hyper-fixated on the Nazi threat and demanding we rearm the Resistance? It's just nonsensical.

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