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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#11301 ·
It looks like they put some old-school establishment guy from the Democratic Party in today's lineup. Personally, I’m not feeling it; he’s such a relic of that old political machine. 🙂

I won't go so far as to say that never would have become the figure he is without being backed by the party hierarchy. They basically hand-picked him, and honestly, if the Democrats had nominated a giraffe from the San Diego Zoo, people probably would have voted for that too. In the end, he just perfected a system based on carrots and sticks.

We could gloss over his questionable background, but nowadays he survives on that classic "Yeah, the previous guys were corrupt, but look what they built for us" logic that still somehow works on the public.

Look, under a strict communist regime, he wouldn't have made it this far because they would've shot him eventually, but even in a capitalist country, he wouldn't last a day before ending up in federal prison.

But hey, he fits right in here in modern America, where half the population can't wrap their heads around basic economics in their own households, all while clinging to that old-school "steal it and hope you don't get caught" mentality—the kind of mindset that still makes people struggle to distinguish between the Rust Belt and the Sun Belt.

Around here, whether you're a hardcore liberal or a staunch conservative, everyone is secretly an economic socialist dreaming of a massive, all-powerful government (just with different flavors). That’s exactly where guys like him thrive. The "big boss" persona, the strongman act, handing out perks and little gifts, the populist nonsense to prove to voters that "he's just one of us." It's all built on the idea that everyone deserves a slice of the pie, including the politicians. It’s the same way people gutted those massive industrial corporations back in the day and then acted shocked when everything fell apart.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined Oct 2012
#11302 ·
In many ways, the most crushing part of everything we went through was that initial, flickering hope that things might actually get better if we just embraced democracy, fully integrated with the West, or finally achieved true independence.

But looking at the landscape today, it feels as though none of that is even on the horizon anymore.
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#11303 ·
brightpilot6 said:In many ways, the most crushing part of everything we went through was that initial, flickering hope that things might actually get better if we just embraced democracy, fully integrated with the West, or finally achieved true independence.

But looking at the landscape today, it feels as though none of that is even on the horizon anymore.

Honestly, I don't think it's quite as bleak as that makes it sound. It’s true that since the turn of the millennium, almost every other nation in Western Europe has managed to pull ahead of us, but that shouldn't come as a shock given that we’re still stuck in this perpetual status quo. We basically sit around doing nothing, just riding the waves of the global economy—which, by the way, would absolutely wreck us if another crisis hits—and reacting to whatever happens with the opening of European labor markets and capital flows. Meanwhile, our politicians love to pat themselves on the back for slightly lower unemployment numbers or a minor bump in foreign investment and growth.

We aren't implementing any real reforms, whether it's in the public sector, tax code, or anything else; we just stagnate. For instance, look at how much the education sector just cost us because public sector wages automatically bumped up for everyone. And don't even get me started on the judicial system, which is so broken it can't even provide the basic fairness needed for a functional economy.

Now they're floating this idea for some sort of national pension from $267 for people over 65 who have zero income.
It turns out you'll have the working class, who actually put in their years through full or early retirement, pulling in maybe $2,200, while some lazy academic with no work history gets $800 just based on "emotional appeal." Just assume certain marginalized groups will all be tapping into this. If I understood the proposal correctly—and I didn't read past the headline—this is pure idiocy.

On a side note, I was pretty stunned to see a study showing that back in the 90s, only about 10% of people actually wanted total independence; most preferred staying in the federation or some kind of loose confederation. Things only escalated later with the violent clashes and civil unrest.

Building your own country isn't exactly easy, even if it's easy to beat your chest and talk big about it. Even today, the folks pushing for independence in places like Catalonia or Scotland don't really have the guts to follow through.
loneseal loneseal Active Member
141 messages
joined Mar 2020
#11304 ·
brightpilot6 said:I had a feeling this state-sponsored moral police force would eventually make an appearance, 🤣

And honestly, I’m not sure what they think they’ve just revealed that I haven't already pointed out.

It’s a strange coalition, isn't it? You have former hardliners clinging to their old influence, religious traditionalists, and various fringe radicals all joining forces. Instead of building a modern nation or fostering a society with actual potential, they’ve essentially constructed a private playground for themselves. They find a common thread in a single national myth—one that unfortunately exploits the genuine suffering of everyday people—and wrap it in a set of values that no one is permitted to question. Anyone who dares to doubt this mythology or these rigid standards is immediately branded as an outsider, whether they're labeled as a socialist, a globalist, or just someone who doesn't fit the mold. It’s basically "One-Party Rule 2.0." So, here we are, and now I am just waiting for ☕

Everyone is responsible for this mess, except for the sacred cows and the perpetually victimized groups. Don't you dare criticize them.
😉
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#11305 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Well, there aren't really any political "hang-ups." The territory is whole and internationally recognized, so we don't have situations like in Canada or Cyprus (which could have happened). There isn't even a potential for that, so there's no need for massive military spending or all those agencies. The country is a member of every major organization, we have passports that work everywhere, a stable currency, and all the usual government mechanisms. I guess the only thing missing is a stronger economy and reaching its full potential. We seem to lack capital of all kinds, from money to expertise to management.

Are you kidding me? We spend every single waking moment here in America fighting over historical grievances dating all the way back to World War I.

You could probably count the Camp David Accords under that pile of baggage, too.
loneseal loneseal Active Member
141 messages
joined Mar 2020
#11306 ·
Larry Fox5 said:When someone who’s actually traveled the world writes this stuff, why are we even surprised by the opinions of people who haven't left their tiny hometown radius in decades?

Bringing this up like this thirty years after the war... it's just pointless from any perspective—unless, I guess, you're still dealing with some deep-seated trauma.

Just thinking about whether you like or hate someone based solely on their nationality is bizarre—it defies all actual logic.

And then we act shocked when politicians still win elections by campaigning on where people were during the Gulf War? 🙄

I grew up back in rural Pennsylvania, in an area where we had a decent amount of neighbors from different backgrounds. Some of our closest family friends were folks I thought we’d be tight with forever, but once things started getting ugly and the tension ramped up, those exact same people treated us like we were nothing more than dirt under their boots. Now you want me to sit here and play nice? To preach about brotherhood and unity after all that? Yeah, right. Not happening. ☕
loneseal loneseal Active Member
141 messages
joined Mar 2020
#11307 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I wonder if it’s considered absurd that they have nuclear aircraft carriers and have been part of NATO against Russia since 1945? What has Russia actually done to them since then to justify such a massive military? I guess one has to wonder what they're afraid of.

Compared to global standards, things here are incredibly peaceful. Since the wars in the States and surrounding regions ended, there hasn't been a single terrorist attack or major escalation of violence; maybe the biggest issue is just some occasional sports hooliganism or someone waving a flag during a protest. I think an American living here once noted how most households don't own any weapons and actually stay away from them—people even voluntarily handed rifles over to the police just a few years after the conflict. There's no mandatory service here. We don't even really have organized crime anymore; most of the small number of homicides seem to be domestic issues. The fact that performers from former rival nations can play in major US cities and fill arenas probably shows how much people just want peace. I guess the only myth we tell ourselves is being overly polite to those who criticize us. It was the aggression from certain factions that started all the conflicts in this region. It wasn't the others; it was always those specific groups who initiated everything and committed the worst atrocities. People don't visit memorial sites every year because of myths, but because they saw what happened with their own eyes. Most Americans here just don't feel a sense of kinship with those old aggressors, and I suppose that's a pretty natural consequence of the destruction that took place.

You're a fascist.

😉
Peter Thompson4 Peter Thompson4 Regular
391 messages
joined Apr 2014
#11308 ·
loneseal said:I grew up back in rural Pennsylvania, in an area where we had a decent amount of neighbors from different backgrounds. Some of our closest family friends were folks I thought we’d be tight with forever, but once things started getting ugly and the tension ramped up, those exact same people treated us like we were nothing more than dirt under their boots. Now you want me to sit here and play nice? To preach about brotherhood and unity after all that? Yeah, right. Not happening. ☕

🤣🤣🤣
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#11309 ·
Alright, let’s talk about teachers for a second.

The union basically squeezed every single private sector worker for a decent chunk of change on an annual basis.

Honestly, if I were going to give anyone a raise, it would be the medical staff or the military. But money doesn't just grow on trees, and I really hope nobody is naive enough to think we can fund this by just rerouting cash from "unnecessary" parts of the budget—you know, pulling funds away from the church or some other powerful lobby. No, if the government needs to go into debt to pay for this, they'll just do it.

On top of that, everyone just used this increase as an excuse to block any potential sales tax cuts down to 24%.

And don't even get me started on how arrogant they were with all that talk about being the social elite and the most educated class. They act like they aren't just following a bell schedule and prepping lessons. Give me a break; it's not like the curriculum for elementary or high schoolers undergoes some massive, life-altering transformation every single year.
Not to mention how many of them aren't even doing their jobs properly in the faculty lounge. There's roughly the same number of people coasting as there are those actually putting in the effort and deserving a higher paycheck. Most of them are just aggressively average, just like everywhere else.

Then they got carried away and started imagining themselves as these great agents of change—revolutionaries who wouldn't budge on their demands. And what did it get them? They ended up selling out the non-tenured staff in the end.

It would be pretty ironic if, in a country where the public sector loses maybe ten jobs a year because a handful of people puffed themselves up by 4% or decided to flash someone in an office, classroom, or cafeteria, they suddenly decided to start some revolution to build a better America.

They have their holiday breaks, their seasonal shutdowns, and a standard 8-to-4 workday. Plus, when they apply for a mortgage, banks approve them without any hassle, extra guarantors, or endless paperwork.
Well, of course they do, since their jobs are bulletproof. And the banks know it.

You've got annual vacations, a solid month off, seminars, training courses, holidays, and all that good stuff.

It's like they dropped in from Mars.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined Oct 2012
#11310 ·
ironpanther5 said:Honestly, I don't think it's quite as bleak as that makes it sound. It’s true that since the turn of the millennium, almost every other nation in Western Europe has managed to pull ahead of us, but that shouldn't come as a shock given that we’re still stuck in this perpetual status quo. We basically sit around doing nothing, just riding the waves of the global economy—which, by the way, would absolutely wreck us if another crisis hits—and reacting to whatever happens with the opening of European labor markets and capital flows. Meanwhile, our politicians love to pat themselves on the back for slightly lower unemployment numbers or a minor bump in foreign investment and growth.

We aren't implementing any real reforms, whether it's in the public sector, tax code, or anything else; we just stagnate. For instance, look at how much the education sector just cost us because public sector wages automatically bumped up for everyone. And don't even get me started on the judicial system, which is so broken it can't even provide the basic fairness needed for a functional economy.

Now they're floating this idea for some sort of national pension from $267 for people over 65 who have zero income.
It turns out you'll have the working class, who actually put in their years through full or early retirement, pulling in maybe $2,200, while some lazy academic with no work history gets $800 just based on "emotional appeal." Just assume certain marginalized groups will all be tapping into this. If I understood the proposal correctly—and I didn't read past the headline—this is pure idiocy.

On a side note, I was pretty stunned to see a study showing that back in the 90s, only about 10% of people actually wanted total independence; most preferred staying in the federation or some kind of loose confederation. Things only escalated later with the violent clashes and civil unrest.

Building your own country isn't exactly easy, even if it's easy to beat your chest and talk big about it. Even today, the folks pushing for independence in places like Catalonia or Scotland don't really have the guts to follow through.

The first point is accurate, though it tends to get glossed over because it contradicts the official narrative that Americans have always been overwhelmingly in favor of secession. If you look closely at how the ballot questions were phrased during those periods, you'll see they were specifically designed to avoid that exact realization. The later escalations simply pushed the situation further in the direction everyone eventually wanted.

As for the others, perhaps they have the courage, but do they also have the sense? Most of the wealthiest counties in those separatist regions actually seem perfectly content staying part of the United States. I suppose they're just doing the math, aren't they?
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#11311 ·
brightpilot6 said:The first point is accurate, though it tends to get glossed over because it contradicts the official narrative that Americans have always been overwhelmingly in favor of secession. If you look closely at how the ballot questions were phrased during those periods, you'll see they were specifically designed to avoid that exact realization. The later escalations simply pushed the situation further in the direction everyone eventually wanted.

As for the others, perhaps they have the courage, but do they also have the sense? Most of the wealthiest counties in those separatist regions actually seem perfectly content staying part of the United States. I suppose they're just doing the math, aren't they?

Look, I was just throwing that out there as an aside. It’s the same old cycle where they gear up for a big show, the referendum fails, and then they just start all over again.

Ultimately, being forced into a corner by aggression is what pushed us toward the only path we could possibly take.
Morgan Foster Morgan Foster Active Member
59 messages
joined Nov 2012
#11312 ·
ironpanther5 said:I honestly feel like everyone keeps conflating the political system with the state itself whenever they start comparing the old US federal structure to how things are in America today.

I realize those two are basically inseparable when you're talking about a defunct nation, but theoretically speaking, that federation could have survived if it had pivoted toward a market economy—kind of like what was being attempted during the late 80s reforms. Even modern America could have theoretically stuck with its previous economic model. It’s a bit more complicated given the violent fractures and the fact that socialism lost everywhere in the West, but we can certainly entertain the hypothetical.

So, I really have to disappoint the folks over here whining about "massive state corporations" and "government-allocated housing." Those companies weren't actually competitive; the government just kept them on life support through subsidies and easy credit—think of something like struggling legacy auto manufacturers or steel giants that still rely on bailouts today. That whole mess would have ended up looking pretty much like the transition period we saw in America regardless. Besides, the crew tasked with privatization didn't have a clue what they were doing; I highly doubt that simply keeping the old union alive would have suddenly produced a more competent or honest workforce. Sure, you wouldn't have had all the various crooks and war profiteers jumping in to fleece the system, which wouldn't have hurt the economy one bit.

As for the housing issue, you simply cannot go around handing out apartments because you end up killing the entire construction sector and creating a class of privileged citizens that inevitably leads to corruption. We see the fallout today where the government just subsidizes first-time buyer programs instead of actually building anything. You can only pull off that kind of distribution in a totally centralized command economy.

If you're asking me whether a potential reformed federation would be better off than modern America, then based purely on raw indicators, maybe not, since there were so many underdeveloped regions like the deep South or parts of the Midwest. But I am firmly convinced that states like California, the Rust Belt, or the Northeast, if part of a capitalistized version of that old federation, would be faring much better than America is right now.

First off, we wouldn't have lost that economic continuity, regardless of the shift in systems, and secondly, we wouldn't have dealt with the devastating wars and the resulting destruction.

Even a peaceful breakup would have had those benefits. So, it’s entirely possible that America could have remained intact and been better off than we are today. I don't hold any grand, sweeping opinions on figures like Reagan, but it really bugs me when people blame him for absolutely everything, only to turn around and commemorate his legacy the next day.

And look, I couldn't care less about some old pop songs or nostalgic anthems. It doesn't bother me, and I'm not worried that kids are going to become hardcore political activists just because they listen to a catchy tune. If they happen to be Southern, well, they are. Besides, forbidden fruit is always the sweetest, and that applies to music too. It’s similar to how people used to listen to certain controversial marching bands out of pure principle; very few patients actually support concentration camps in real life.

Furthermore, people are mixing up the modern world with the old Cold War era, where that old federation held a unique, high-value position between the blocs. They had a leverage that they could essentially sell to the Americans. You just don't have that kind of geopolitical bargaining chip anymore. Nowadays, we have to pitch ourselves to massive global corporations, which is a lot harder when your country is crushed by taxes, ruled by local power brokers and sheriffs you have to constantly appease, and facing fierce competition from places like Mexico, Canada, or even emerging markets in Eastern Europe that have much better setups.

Not to mention the "Non-Aligned Movement," which lost its purpose despite being a massive money-maker. Of course, our own nationalists had the brilliant idea to stop socializing with the same crowd the old leadership hung out with, effectively cutting off the very relationships and economic perks we could have been milking.

Well, the U.S. basically traded itself away for American wheat. Just look at the timeline. The standoff with Stalin, the economic stagnation, the American grain, and those Western loans...
I'm parking your non-aligned nonsense right here.

A similar hype is being manufactured today regarding how certain regions have hitched themselves to the German economy. The Old World is steadily losing its footing... They grew by relying on outsourcing, but where is the actual innovation?
Larry Fox5 Larry Fox5 Regular
348 messages
joined Sep 2003
#11313 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Why would I love Mexicans? I never said I hated them, but I did mention that in a country with an aging population that lived through that war, it's fairly common for people not to feel much affection for them. Not liking someone and hating them are two different things, I think. Would it really be normal to love them after what happened in places like El Paso or Srebrenica? I haven't come across a country where that would be considered normal, though I've seen plenty of them. But maybe the issue lies with us; I remember when teams from that region played at Yankee Stadium back in the late '90s without any incidents, even while parts of the country were still under occupation. Even now in 2019, we see situations where FIFA has to manage tournament brackets because certain nations have strict conditions about who they'll play. I probably can't judge myself objectively, but I don't feel like my views are radical. From a distance, I guess you could say the attitudes held by most Americans after a war like that are pretty standard and not particularly extreme. That's exactly what I tell people abroad whenever they ask me about the war or those neighbors. Now we are okay with them, but most people don't love them.


Who even says you have to love them? Honestly, the only sane way to feel is to be completely indifferent toward some guy born in Chicago who happens to be a citizen of a certain place by default. At least until you actually meet him and see if he's a decent human being. With even a shred of intelligence, shouldn't we have reached that consensus back in 2019?
It's the exact same thing with anyone else, regardless of where they come from.

And no, this isn't about being "liberal"—it's just common sense.
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#11314 ·
Morgan Foster said:Well, the U.S. basically traded itself away for American wheat. Just look at the timeline. The standoff with Stalin, the economic stagnation, the American grain, and those Western loans...
I'm parking your non-aligned nonsense right here.

A similar hype is being manufactured today regarding how certain regions have hitched themselves to the German economy. The Old World is steadily losing its footing... They grew by relying on outsourcing, but where is the actual innovation?

I actually know about that whole wheat situation. 👍

The Czech Republic has always been a developed nation; you can't exactly say Prague was founded by some students studying abroad in a random mid-sized US city, if you catch my drift. 🙂
Soviet communism was a nightmare, obviously, but even then you have to acknowledge the Prague Spring.

Anyway, since you brought up innovation, here is an index for you to chew on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation_Index

Europeans aren't doing nearly as bad as you're making them out to be.
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#11315 ·
brightpilot6 said:The first point is accurate, though it tends to get glossed over because it contradicts the official narrative that Americans have always been overwhelmingly in favor of secession. If you look closely at how the ballot questions were phrased during those periods, you'll see they were specifically designed to avoid that exact realization. The later escalations simply pushed the situation further in the direction everyone eventually wanted.

As for the others, perhaps they have the courage, but do they also have the sense? Most of the wealthiest counties in those separatist regions actually seem perfectly content staying part of the United States. I suppose they're just doing the math, aren't they?

From what I can gather, most of California isn't actually looking for total independence; they just want financial autonomy. That’s where all the friction comes from.
Morgan Foster Morgan Foster Active Member
59 messages
joined Nov 2012
#11316 ·
ironpanther5 said:I actually know about that whole wheat situation. 👍

The Czech Republic has always been a developed nation; you can't exactly say Prague was founded by some students studying abroad in a random mid-sized US city, if you catch my drift. 🙂
Soviet communism was a nightmare, obviously, but even then you have to acknowledge the Prague Spring.

Anyway, since you brought up innovation, here is an index for you to chew on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation_Index

Europeans aren't doing nearly as bad as you're making them out to be.

Keep in mind this index dates back to 2009. Nowadays, there’s all this maneuvering with tariffs involving the US, Russia, and China... it just complicates everything regarding further development and investing in new projects or innovations.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
571 messages
joined Apr 2019
#11317 ·
Look, honestly? If that whole system had actually been worth anything, people would’ve fought tooth and nail to save it. Instead, everyone just bailed. Sorry, I guess the folks from the Midwest stayed put because things were alright for them, but let’s be real—they were too busy dreaming about their own massive empire anyway, so they don't really count in this equation.

A nation built on such broken economic, social, and demographic foundations isn't going to last. It didn't even stay upright as long as you'd think.
William Gomez5 William Gomez5 Active Member
233 messages
joined May 2018
#11318 ·
I don't know who this shosho person is, but honestly? Probably just another loudmouth looking for attention. Typical. kaže:
The biggest scam of all is pretending that the new Star Wars stuff isn't actually worse than the originals. Let’s be real: Star Wars has always been total garbage. Now, we're just watching the same recycled trash being served up to us a hundred times over.

Look, this guy seriously needs to dig himself out of this hole and just sign the damn thing already. 👍

ironpanther5 said:Alright, let’s talk about teachers for a second.

The union basically squeezed every single private sector worker for a decent chunk of change on an annual basis.

Honestly, if I were going to give anyone a raise, it would be the medical staff or the military. But money doesn't just grow on trees, and I really hope nobody is naive enough to think we can fund this by just rerouting cash from "unnecessary" parts of the budget—you know, pulling funds away from the church or some other powerful lobby. No, if the government needs to go into debt to pay for this, they'll just do it.

On top of that, everyone just used this increase as an excuse to block any potential sales tax cuts down to 24%.

And don't even get me started on how arrogant they were with all that talk about being the social elite and the most educated class. They act like they aren't just following a bell schedule and prepping lessons. Give me a break; it's not like the curriculum for elementary or high schoolers undergoes some massive, life-altering transformation every single year.
Not to mention how many of them aren't even doing their jobs properly in the faculty lounge. There's roughly the same number of people coasting as there are those actually putting in the effort and deserving a higher paycheck. Most of them are just aggressively average, just like everywhere else.

Then they got carried away and started imagining themselves as these great agents of change—revolutionaries who wouldn't budge on their demands. And what did it get them? They ended up selling out the non-tenured staff in the end.

It would be pretty ironic if, in a country where the public sector loses maybe ten jobs a year because a handful of people puffed themselves up by 4% or decided to flash someone in an office, classroom, or cafeteria, they suddenly decided to start some revolution to build a better America.

They have their holiday breaks, their seasonal shutdowns, and a standard 8-to-4 workday. Plus, when they apply for a mortgage, banks approve them without any hassle, extra guarantors, or endless paperwork.
Well, of course they do, since their jobs are bulletproof. And the banks know it.

You've got annual vacations, a solid month off, seminars, training courses, holidays, and all that good stuff.

It's like they dropped in from Mars.


Look, it’s not exactly a walk in the park, alright? Writing a prep that actually hits the mark—something high-quality and genuinely engaging—is a massive grind. It's way harder than people give it credit for, which brings me to my next point.

Don’t even get me started on how many people in every single office building around here are basically just coasting through their shifts without doing a lick of actual work. It’s honestly pathetic. You’ve got this huge group of people who are just dead weight, and then you have a tiny handful who actually grind and deserve a massive raise for pulling the weight. But most of them? They're just mid. Just average. It’s the same story whether you're at a tech firm in Seattle or a warehouse in Chicago—most people are just checking boxes until the clock runs out.

The real issue here is that the Education Department basically gets everyone who scraped by with decent grades in high school. It’s totally predictable, honestly. I mean, let’s be real—the straight-A kids aren't exactly lining up to major in Teaching or Journalism. They’re all aiming for the big leagues like MIT, Johns Hopkins, or heading straight into med school.

Look, anyone could probably write a better breakdown than me on why it’s such a massive issue when 99% of the people in teacher training programs are women—and why you immediately hear that condescending "Who's your teacher?" crap the second a guy walks into a classroom. But honestly? I don't even want to get dragged into that mess. Not worth the headache. 😬

It’s mostly an 8 to 4 grind.

Vacations, a solid month off, seminars, workshops, holidays... you know, all that stuff.

People love to say teacher hours run from 8 to 4, but honestly? That’s a total joke. It's way more like 7 to 7 if you're being real about it.
It all depends on what you’ve got lined up for the next day, too. You might end up losing the whole night to it.

Look, I won’t even get started on how much of a mental drain working with kids is. It’s exhausting. But honestly? Dealing with the parents is ten times worse. If you ask me, they should be getting extra holidays and more paid time off just for having to deal with these idiots. You’ve got thirty kids in a classroom, right? Well, you’ve also got sixty parents out there—and I swear to God, you might find five sane people in that entire group. That's it. Five. 🙏

Look, I’m probably not gonna be objective here. I’ve got a bit of an insider's perspective on this whole thing, so I'm always gonna take the teachers' side—especially when it comes to the elementary school crowd. 😬
Walter Grant5 Walter Grant5 Regular
459 messages
joined Oct 2012
#11319 ·
ironpanther5 said:Alright, let’s talk about teachers for a second.

The union basically squeezed every single private sector worker for a decent chunk of change on an annual basis.

Honestly, if I were going to give anyone a raise, it would be the medical staff or the military. But money doesn't just grow on trees, and I really hope nobody is naive enough to think we can fund this by just rerouting cash from "unnecessary" parts of the budget—you know, pulling funds away from the church or some other powerful lobby. No, if the government needs to go into debt to pay for this, they'll just do it.

On top of that, everyone just used this increase as an excuse to block any potential sales tax cuts down to 24%.

And don't even get me started on how arrogant they were with all that talk about being the social elite and the most educated class. They act like they aren't just following a bell schedule and prepping lessons. Give me a break; it's not like the curriculum for elementary or high schoolers undergoes some massive, life-altering transformation every single year.
Not to mention how many of them aren't even doing their jobs properly in the faculty lounge. There's roughly the same number of people coasting as there are those actually putting in the effort and deserving a higher paycheck. Most of them are just aggressively average, just like everywhere else.

Then they got carried away and started imagining themselves as these great agents of change—revolutionaries who wouldn't budge on their demands. And what did it get them? They ended up selling out the non-tenured staff in the end.

It would be pretty ironic if, in a country where the public sector loses maybe ten jobs a year because a handful of people puffed themselves up by 4% or decided to flash someone in an office, classroom, or cafeteria, they suddenly decided to start some revolution to build a better America.

They have their holiday breaks, their seasonal shutdowns, and a standard 8-to-4 workday. Plus, when they apply for a mortgage, banks approve them without any hassle, extra guarantors, or endless paperwork.
Well, of course they do, since their jobs are bulletproof. And the banks know it.

You've got annual vacations, a solid month off, seminars, training courses, holidays, and all that good stuff.

It's like they dropped in from Mars.

not☕
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#11320 ·
It’s honestly hilarious watching how everyone spent those first couple of weeks trying so hard to convince us they weren't protesting just because of their paychecks.😁

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