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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#1241 ·
At the end of the day, everyone involved in this conflict—both the Americans and the Russians—has taken a massive hit.

The wheels are already in motion and there is no turning back now. All that’s left is to count the casualties while we wait for things to settle down in a few years, whatever that looks like.

And honestly? It would be a mercy if this doesn't spill out of the borders of the conflict zone. Because if it does, the body count is going to be astronomical.
People have a terrifyingly short memory when it comes to mass slaughter. Only a few generations have passed since the carnage of World War II, yet most people seem to have completely forgotten the tens of millions who were lost.
Noah Ross7 Noah Ross7 Regular
355 messages
joined Dec 2008
#1242 ·
Israel is pulling a massive stunt, yet somehow, nobody seems to care.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#1243 ·
Honestly, the whole thing could just blow up in our faces at any second.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#1244 ·
Forget about the war; has anyone actually managed to get anything done this summer?
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#1245 ·
This picture says everything you need to know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leTPZba9UaA
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Where were you all standing when they took Mexico?😂
Noah Ross7 Noah Ross7 Regular
355 messages
joined Dec 2008
#1246 ·
It's all just paid off.
What kind of thugs are these? Just mercenaries, nothing more.
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1247 ·
Noah Ross7 said:Israel is pulling a massive stunt, yet somehow, nobody seems to care.

Honestly, why would any sane person keep paying attention to these lunatics—both sides? Seriously, I can't remember a time in my life when there wasn't some drama going down in Israel or Palestine. 🤣 🤣

At the end of the day, they’re on their own—nobody else can fix this mess for them.
Noah Ross7 Noah Ross7 Regular
355 messages
joined Dec 2008
#1248 ·
Casey White13 said:Honestly, why would any sane person keep paying attention to these lunatics—both sides? Seriously, I can't remember a time in my life when there wasn't some drama going down in Israel or Palestine. 🤣 🤣

At the end of the day, they’re on their own—nobody else can fix this mess for them.

You've got a point.
But the world is obsessed with what's happening in Ukraine, while over in Israel, they're committing crimes far worse than anything seen during the wars in the North America back in the 90s, and yet, nothing happens.
Who's even calling them out?
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#1249 ·
Look, I’ve seen enough to know that everything has gone completely sideways. It's a total disaster.
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#1250 ·
Amanda Evans2 said:Forget about the war; has anyone actually managed to get anything done this summer?

Three bears from the Commonwealth. ☕

The very same evening. ☕
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1251 ·
I see people have started diving into debates about who lived where and when, or which group has some supposed divine right to certain territories—it all feels like fiction to me. Nations aren't fixed entities, and these territorial claims seem pretty arbitrary. BUT, and I really want to emphasize that BUT, the agreements made when joining the UN state that borders shouldn't be changed by force. And by "force," I mean using weapons. Since the Russians entered Crimea with arms, I guess any arguments about their "right" to take that land just don't hold up. Technically, anyone could claim a right to take back what they feel is theirs under those logic. Most modern states have moved away from that kind of policy. In stable systems—even if many people struggle to understand how they work—changing a border is a long, drawn-out political process, even if the citizens truly want it. You only have to look at how long it took the Scots to get a referendum, or the ongoing struggles for independence in places like Catalonia, the Basque Country, or even the divisions in Belgium and Quebec. Even terrorism isn't really an issue in those cases anymore; violent policies were more common in the 20th century and mostly just led to tragedy. If the people in Crimea wanted to rejoin Russia, I suppose it should have been a standard political process lasting years, settled through a peaceful referendum. When you have masked soldiers occupying a peninsula and then holding a vote under those conditions, I guess it's hard to call those normal circumstances.
Joseph Fisher3 Joseph Fisher3 Member
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joined Jan 2013
#1252 ·
We’ve strayed a bit from the main topic—regarding the plane crash: an aircraft goes down, shot by weaponry assumed to be held by both sides, and the media immediately points the finger at Russia. Or pro-Russian separatists, depending on who you ask. It is quite fascinating how the entire Western world decided to preemptively blame the separatists, despite rather compelling insinuations that they couldn't possibly be responsible—for instance, the idea that if a projectile had been fired from their position, the Ukrainian forces would have surely detected it and said something before the impact.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, there isn't a single word being uttered about it. Some people are granted total leniency for just about anything, while others are treated like they've completely lost their minds...
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#1253 ·
Walter Grant5 said:Anyone actually follow the details on that recent plane crash? A buddy was lecturing me all day yesterday about Americans. Obviously, he "hates" them, but that doesn't mean his facts are wrong. Honestly, I couldn't retain a single thing he said because he was just rattling off info non-stop while we were out. Also, how much weight do the Russians actually put behind those pro-Russian types in Ukraine? How much (or little) support are they giving them? How, and why? If anyone knows their stuff, give me the short version. Thanks.

Like ruggedjackal46 mentioned, the Ukrainians and Russians had some kind of profitable economic pact before the uprising kicked off and the government was overthrown. What took over was this neo-Nazi right wing, pretty extreme stuff. Things shifted in the country, and rights for the Russian minority were stripped away—I can't recall the specifics, maybe something regarding language laws. Naturally, that minority revolted. Crimea is vital to Russia because of their military presence there. That's why they have troops on the ground (the West accused them of moving troops in, but they've always been stationed there). They held a referendum for secession, which falls under international law regarding a people's right to self-determination. Most people voted to join Russia—around 90%—and frankly, Crimea has always been Russian territory.

After that, the U.S. stepped in, acting like Russia is the only one breaking international law. 🤣
Putin eventually checked them, but honestly, it’s ridiculous when the U.S. claims someone is violating international law when they acted like those laws didn't even exist for decades. Of course, the new government aligned with the West and secured their backing. Russia’s primary fear is NATO pushing its borders right up to their doorstep. That’s why they reclaimed Crimea; imagine if those high-value military bases—territory that is historically Russian and where they won massive battles—fell into NATO hands. It’s not surprising they reacted. I don't know what your friend told you about the U.S., but the reality is they run an expansionist policy, playing global sheriff and sticking their noses into everything. Look at France recently buying two warships from Russia; their relations started improving, and the U.S., despite being a long-time ally, isn't happy about it.

The absolute peak of U.S. political stupidity is the way they fund terrorist groups in Syria—calling them "rebels" when they're actually Al-Qaeda. Then, once those same rebels start causing chaos in Iraq, the U.S. has to pivot and oppose them because they have interests there. So, they back terrorists one day and fight them the next. And Syria is a whole other mess. What's happening there is horrific; they label Assad a tyrant and manipulate the media, conveniently ignoring that the man is incredibly sharp and has explained the situation clearly in numerous interviews.
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#1254 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I see people have started diving into debates about who lived where and when, or which group has some supposed divine right to certain territories—it all feels like fiction to me. Nations aren't fixed entities, and these territorial claims seem pretty arbitrary. BUT, and I really want to emphasize that BUT, the agreements made when joining the UN state that borders shouldn't be changed by force. And by "force," I mean using weapons. Since the Russians entered Crimea with arms, I guess any arguments about their "right" to take that land just don't hold up. Technically, anyone could claim a right to take back what they feel is theirs under those logic. Most modern states have moved away from that kind of policy. In stable systems—even if many people struggle to understand how they work—changing a border is a long, drawn-out political process, even if the citizens truly want it. You only have to look at how long it took the Scots to get a referendum, or the ongoing struggles for independence in places like Catalonia, the Basque Country, or even the divisions in Belgium and Quebec. Even terrorism isn't really an issue in those cases anymore; violent policies were more common in the 20th century and mostly just led to tragedy. If the people in Crimea wanted to rejoin Russia, I suppose it should have been a standard political process lasting years, settled through a peaceful referendum. When you have masked soldiers occupying a peninsula and then holding a vote under those conditions, I guess it's hard to call those normal circumstances.

You've got it wrong. The Russians already had a military base there. Crimea has massive autonomy, and their military was stationed there the whole time; they didn't "invade" or seize anything. A referendum was held first, and the secession happened after that. It's about a people's right to self-determination...
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1255 ·
Noah Roberts46 said:You've got it wrong. The Russians already had a military base there. Crimea has massive autonomy, and their military was stationed there the whole time; they didn't "invade" or seize anything. A referendum was held first, and the secession happened after that. It's about a people's right to self-determination...

Well, I guess I'll just say this: Crimea was taken at gunpoint, and that referendum was probably just for show.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1256 ·
Joseph Fisher3 said:We’ve strayed a bit from the main topic—regarding the plane crash: an aircraft goes down, shot by weaponry assumed to be held by both sides, and the media immediately points the finger at Russia. Or pro-Russian separatists, depending on who you ask. It is quite fascinating how the entire Western world decided to preemptively blame the separatists, despite rather compelling insinuations that they couldn't possibly be responsible—for instance, the idea that if a projectile had been fired from their position, the Ukrainian forces would have surely detected it and said something before the impact.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, there isn't a single word being uttered about it. Some people are granted total leniency for just about anything, while others are treated like they've completely lost their minds...

Online, you find theories that NASA faked the moon landing or that Elvis is still alive, just like there are endless rumors about certain sports figures being untouchable. That's the internet for you...
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1257 ·
Noah Roberts46 said:Like ruggedjackal46 mentioned, the Ukrainians and Russians had some kind of profitable economic pact before the uprising kicked off and the government was overthrown. What took over was this neo-Nazi right wing, pretty extreme stuff. Things shifted in the country, and rights for the Russian minority were stripped away—I can't recall the specifics, maybe something regarding language laws. Naturally, that minority revolted. Crimea is vital to Russia because of their military presence there. That's why they have troops on the ground (the West accused them of moving troops in, but they've always been stationed there). They held a referendum for secession, which falls under international law regarding a people's right to self-determination. Most people voted to join Russia—around 90%—and frankly, Crimea has always been Russian territory.

After that, the U.S. stepped in, acting like Russia is the only one breaking international law. 🤣
Putin eventually checked them, but honestly, it’s ridiculous when the U.S. claims someone is violating international law when they acted like those laws didn't even exist for decades. Of course, the new government aligned with the West and secured their backing. Russia’s primary fear is NATO pushing its borders right up to their doorstep. That’s why they reclaimed Crimea; imagine if those high-value military bases—territory that is historically Russian and where they won massive battles—fell into NATO hands. It’s not surprising they reacted. I don't know what your friend told you about the U.S., but the reality is they run an expansionist policy, playing global sheriff and sticking their noses into everything. Look at France recently buying two warships from Russia; their relations started improving, and the U.S., despite being a long-time ally, isn't happy about it.

The absolute peak of U.S. political stupidity is the way they fund terrorist groups in Syria—calling them "rebels" when they're actually Al-Qaeda. Then, once those same rebels start causing chaos in Iraq, the U.S. has to pivot and oppose them because they have interests there. So, they back terrorists one day and fight them the next. And Syria is a whole other mess. What's happening there is horrific; they label Assad a tyrant and manipulate the media, conveniently ignoring that the man is incredibly sharp and has explained the situation clearly in numerous interviews.

I've actually been to Syria, and I'd say Assad is a tyrant. If you had a regime like that here in America, you'd probably be talking differently.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1258 ·
Noah Ross7 said:You've got a point.
But the world is obsessed with what's happening in Ukraine, while over in Israel, they're committing crimes far worse than anything seen during the wars in the North America back in the 90s, and yet, nothing happens.
Who's even calling them out?

I guess it depends on which news outlets you follow, but I feel like Gaza has been all over the headlines lately. Maybe the coverage on Ukraine has just started to slow down a bit.
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#1259 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Online, you find theories that NASA faked the moon landing or that Elvis is still alive, just like there are endless rumors about certain sports figures being untouchable. That's the internet for you...

Well, most of those rumors were swirling long before the internet ever came along—except for the sports stuff, of course. ☕
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#1260 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I've actually been to Syria, and I'd say Assad is a tyrant. If you had a regime like that here in America, you'd probably be talking differently.

Then why does the people support him? 😕
There were elections and the guy won convincingly. You're just swallowing propaganda.

Jessica Gonzalez said:Well, I guess I'll just say this: Crimea was taken at gunpoint, and that referendum was probably just for show.

Proof? Not a single shot was even fired. Russian troops were already on the ground. It was a setup. The whole world had its eyes on Crimea, and they turned that referendum into a complete joke. 🙄

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