Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Dutch entrepreneur in San Diego: Buy local and I’ll hire more Americans

Charles Roberts33 said:Most retail workers are older women—mostly married with kids in tow.

The real point behind closing shops on Sunday isn't just about letting them attend some damn Mass that the leftists find so irritating; it’s about giving this vulnerable segment of the workforce a fighting chance to actually spend a day with their families.

Personally, I can live without Sunday shopping. I think most people can. I’m not sure how one day off per week would impact potential layoffs, but generally speaking, it’s not a job anyone should be losing sleep over.

I'm not a fan of bans. Especially since there are tons of us who work every single day; Sunday doesn't even mean anything to us. With these kinds of restrictions, it's always the retail workers who get singled out, while everyone else—like what Jessica Gonzalez mentioned—is grinding through those Sundays, nights, Fridays, and Saturdays, and basically getting screwed over. If they were retail workers, they'd actually have some protection. ☕

The Monday-to-Friday grind is just a leftover from failed eras past, just like working 6 to 2 or 7 to 3. Welcome to the 21st century.

Paul Sanders5 said:I'm not a fan of bans. Especially since there are tons of us who work every single day; Sunday doesn't even mean anything to us. With these kinds of restrictions, it's always the retail workers who get singled out, while everyone else—like what Jessica Gonzalez mentioned—is grinding through those Sundays, nights, Fridays, and Saturdays, and basically getting screwed over. If they were retail workers, they'd actually have some protection. ☕

The Monday-to-Friday grind is just a leftover from failed eras past, just like working 6 to 2 or 7 to 3. Welcome to the 21st century.

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restlesssurfer97 said:But what happens to the big shopping malls?

Exactly.

Paul Sanders5 said:I'm not a fan of bans. Especially since there are tons of us who work every single day; Sunday doesn't even mean anything to us. With these kinds of restrictions, it's always the retail workers who get singled out, while everyone else—like what Jessica Gonzalez mentioned—is grinding through those Sundays, nights, Fridays, and Saturdays, and basically getting screwed over. If they were retail workers, they'd actually have some protection. ☕

The Monday-to-Friday grind is just a leftover from failed eras past, just like working 6 to 2 or 7 to 3. Welcome to the 21st century.

In this ridiculous century we’ve found ourselves in... where everyone seems to be constantly clamoring for a four-day workweek, or shorter shifts, or heaven knows what else... I don't know. It feels like we're just moving toward total stagnation, I guess. Maybe it's progress, maybe it's just laziness, but everything feels so fractured lately. Everyone wants more time off, more flexibility, more everything... and I wonder if we even have the stamina left to actually accomplish anything meaningful when we finally sit down to work. It's all very strange.

Matthew Young35 said:Why does that matter?
Do you think because I spend my days repairing tillers, I don't have a family?
Am I somehow less worthy, such that the Church... or the government, shouldn't want to ban Sunday labor?

Look, I’m telling you again, I know you're just trolling at this point, but seriously... I live out in the middle of nowhere, okay? I am surrounded by people who fix tillers and small farm equipment for a living, and let me tell you, I don't know a single soul who just decides to work on a Sunday—whether they're doing it because they feel like it or because some boss is breathing down their neck. It just doesn't happen.

I don't want to claim I have the exact statistics at my fingertips—I certainly don't—but if I had to make an educated guess, I’d say at least 75 to 80 percent of the workforce isn't getting a Sunday off. And I'm not just talking about the essential services or the odd jobs, either. I mean there are plenty of roles that could easily be handled on a Sunday, but for whatever reason, they just don't operate. It's just how things are, I suppose.

bluebison47 said:Exactly.

In this ridiculous century we’ve found ourselves in... where everyone seems to be constantly clamoring for a four-day workweek, or shorter shifts, or heaven knows what else... I don't know. It feels like we're just moving toward total stagnation, I guess. Maybe it's progress, maybe it's just laziness, but everything feels so fractured lately. Everyone wants more time off, more flexibility, more everything... and I wonder if we even have the stamina left to actually accomplish anything meaningful when we finally sit down to work. It's all very strange.

Look, I’m telling you again, I know you're just trolling at this point, but seriously... I live out in the middle of nowhere, okay? I am surrounded by people who fix tillers and small farm equipment for a living, and let me tell you, I don't know a single soul who just decides to work on a Sunday—whether they're doing it because they feel like it or because some boss is breathing down their neck. It just doesn't happen.

I don't want to claim I have the exact statistics at my fingertips—I certainly don't—but if I had to make an educated guess, I’d say at least 75 to 80 percent of the workforce isn't getting a Sunday off. And I'm not just talking about the essential services or the odd jobs, either. I mean there are plenty of roles that could easily be handled on a Sunday, but for whatever reason, they just don't operate. It's just how things are, I suppose.

this is such a massive reach it’s actually painful 🤣

honestly, I'm just waiting to see who finally shuts this nonsense down 🙏

bluebison47 said:Exactly.

In this ridiculous century we’ve found ourselves in... where everyone seems to be constantly clamoring for a four-day workweek, or shorter shifts, or heaven knows what else... I don't know. It feels like we're just moving toward total stagnation, I guess. Maybe it's progress, maybe it's just laziness, but everything feels so fractured lately. Everyone wants more time off, more flexibility, more everything... and I wonder if we even have the stamina left to actually accomplish anything meaningful when we finally sit down to work. It's all very strange.

Look, I’m telling you again, I know you're just trolling at this point, but seriously... I live out in the middle of nowhere, okay? I am surrounded by people who fix tillers and small farm equipment for a living, and let me tell you, I don't know a single soul who just decides to work on a Sunday—whether they're doing it because they feel like it or because some boss is breathing down their neck. It just doesn't happen.

I don't want to claim I have the exact statistics at my fingertips—I certainly don't—but if I had to make an educated guess, I’d say at least 75 to 80 percent of the workforce isn't getting a Sunday off. And I'm not just talking about the essential services or the odd jobs, either. I mean there are plenty of roles that could easily be handled on a Sunday, but for whatever reason, they just don't operate. It's just how things are, I suppose.

Honestly, I’m thinking Sunday is going to be the absolute peak for all those massive shopping malls, so that’s probably when we’ll see people getting handed their walking papers in droves.
And you know it’s gonna ripple out to everything else too, like the food courts, the restaurants, the movie theaters, even the local bars... everything's gonna feel the hit.

It’s looking grim.

It’s wild how even with all this crazy tech progress, people actually have to work harder than ever these days.

bluebison47 said:Exactly.

In this ridiculous century we’ve found ourselves in... where everyone seems to be constantly clamoring for a four-day workweek, or shorter shifts, or heaven knows what else... I don't know. It feels like we're just moving toward total stagnation, I guess. Maybe it's progress, maybe it's just laziness, but everything feels so fractured lately. Everyone wants more time off, more flexibility, more everything... and I wonder if we even have the stamina left to actually accomplish anything meaningful when we finally sit down to work. It's all very strange.

Look, I’m telling you again, I know you're just trolling at this point, but seriously... I live out in the middle of nowhere, okay? I am surrounded by people who fix tillers and small farm equipment for a living, and let me tell you, I don't know a single soul who just decides to work on a Sunday—whether they're doing it because they feel like it or because some boss is breathing down their neck. It just doesn't happen.

I don't want to claim I have the exact statistics at my fingertips—I certainly don't—but if I had to make an educated guess, I’d say at least 75 to 80 percent of the workforce isn't getting a Sunday off. And I'm not just talking about the essential services or the odd jobs, either. I mean there are plenty of roles that could easily be handled on a Sunday, but for whatever reason, they just don't operate. It's just how things are, I suppose.

Who exactly is pushing this? Seriously, I haven't seen a single successful business actually function if they switched to a four-day schedule.

I mean, sure, if you're part of some massive government bureaucracy—like working for the federal government or the state of Norway, for instance—then whatever, fine. You could probably get away with a one-day work week if you wanted. When you're playing with taxpayer money, you can do whatever the hell you want.

restlesssurfer97 said:Honestly, I’m thinking Sunday is going to be the absolute peak for all those massive shopping malls, so that’s probably when we’ll see people getting handed their walking papers in droves.
And you know it’s gonna ripple out to everything else too, like the food courts, the restaurants, the movie theaters, even the local bars... everything's gonna feel the hit.

It’s looking grim.

Poor America, Germany, Austria, Scandinavia... the whole damn thing is going downhill fast.

What’s the big deal with working a four-day week? Honestly, even if we were grinding through Saturdays or Sundays, I don't think the old ladies running the local corner stores would have anything to complain about either.

restlesssurfer97 said:Honestly, I’m thinking Sunday is going to be the absolute peak for all those massive shopping malls, so that’s probably when we’ll see people getting handed their walking papers in droves.
And you know it’s gonna ripple out to everything else too, like the food courts, the restaurants, the movie theaters, even the local bars... everything's gonna feel the hit.

It’s looking grim.

Fine, maybe, but I don't think individual retail stores see that kind of peak... or at least, nothing nearly as dramatic as what happens at the massive shopping malls.

A four-day workweek and a ban on Sunday operations are two entirely different concepts.
It is perfectly possible for employees to enjoy a four-day schedule while companies continue to operate on Sundays.

darkseal9 said:It’s wild how even with all this crazy tech progress, people actually have to work harder than ever these days.

But honestly, that’s just two sides of the same coin, which is consumerism.

I mean, if you lived a life where you were only ever trying to cover the bare essentials for an average American family from back in the sixties, you could probably get away with working way less than we do now.

The thing is, if everyone actually started working less and spending less—if that became the norm for more and more people—then yeah, you'd end up with massive unemployment because demand would crater, and naturally, production would have to scale back too.

But hey, those are some heavy macroeconomics topics right there, so I'll leave the deep dive to SS since that's definitely not my area of expertise.

Matthew Young35 said:A four-day workweek and a ban on Sunday operations are two entirely different concepts.
It is perfectly possible for employees to enjoy a four-day schedule while companies continue to operate on Sundays.

Exactly, I guess... which is why they’re pushing this four-day idea, just so people can have Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday off.🙏

Look, it doesn't even have to be about "holy" Sundays or whatever... any young cashier would probably want to go out on a Saturday night, but she can't because she's stuck working Sunday.

And then she can't even head out on Monday evening either.

bluebison47 said:Fine, maybe, but I don't think individual retail stores see that kind of peak... or at least, nothing nearly as dramatic as what happens at the massive shopping malls.

So what you're saying is this law would basically just put a squeeze on grocery stores?

Paul Sanders5 said:I'm not a fan of bans. Especially since there are tons of us who work every single day; Sunday doesn't even mean anything to us. With these kinds of restrictions, it's always the retail workers who get singled out, while everyone else—like what Jessica Gonzalez mentioned—is grinding through those Sundays, nights, Fridays, and Saturdays, and basically getting screwed over. If they were retail workers, they'd actually have some protection. ☕

The Monday-to-Friday grind is just a leftover from failed eras past, just like working 6 to 2 or 7 to 3. Welcome to the 21st century.

Sure, but what kind of compensation are we talking about? The women working in those stores are making absolute peanuts. Generally speaking, every lowlife takes advantage of them because they can—from managers down to the rude customers. They’re "so protected," right? It’s almost funny. I guess that’s why turnover is so high at those "prestigious" jobs. God forbid I ever get treated with that much "protection."

I’m all for working when there isn't a pandemic, including Sundays and holidays. It doesn't bother me; nobody is forcing my hand. If I wanted less money, I’d work less, but then I certainly wouldn't be pulling shifts on Sundays and holidays.

bluebison47 said:Exactly, I guess... which is why they’re pushing this four-day idea, just so people can have Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday off.🙏

Look, it doesn't even have to be about "holy" Sundays or whatever... any young cashier would probably want to go out on a Saturday night, but she can't because she's stuck working Sunday.

And then she can't even head out on Monday evening either.

I mean, do you really have to sign up for three consecutive days off? Does it even matter which ones?

wiredrider9 said:Poor America, Germany, Austria, Scandinavia... the whole damn thing is going downhill fast.

Just because Mike Tyson can take a hit from George Foreman doesn't mean you can handle that same kind of punch.

darkseal9 said:It’s wild how even with all this crazy tech progress, people actually have to work harder than ever these days.

Nah, they don't *have* to. People work because they want more. Whether we actually "need" more is some deep philosophical rabbit hole that isn't worth diving into right now.

Look, I don't know any decent mechanics, electricians, or plumbers—not to mention a whole list of other high-demand trades—who aren't grinding themselves to the bone. Most of them are out there working sunrise to sunset, just giving it everything they've got while they still have the energy and the drive.

Charles Roberts33 said:Sure, but what kind of compensation are we talking about? The women working in those stores are making absolute peanuts. Generally speaking, every lowlife takes advantage of them because they can—from managers down to the rude customers. They’re "so protected," right? It’s almost funny. I guess that’s why turnover is so high at those "prestigious" jobs. God forbid I ever get treated with that much "protection."

I’m all for working when there isn't a pandemic, including Sundays and holidays. It doesn't bother me; nobody is forcing my hand. If I wanted less money, I’d work less, but then I certainly wouldn't be pulling shifts on Sundays and holidays.

But poor guy only has six days a week to buy his stuff, it's tough. What if he runs out of yogurt and bananas on a Sunday? What's he gonna do then? Don't be such a jerk.