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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Charles Ross3 Charles Ross3 Active MemberOP
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#3201 ·
Could I please ask everyone to be mindful and respect the subforum rule regarding politics:

When you're posting content in a foreign language, providing an English summary is absolutely mandatory!
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#3202 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:I caught something interesting on the radio today. Apparently, border agents in the Baltic states have started asking Russians crossing the border to personally sign some kind of affidavit—essentially a formal statement condemning the aggression against Ukraine.
The catch, if you can call it that, is that signing such a document could potentially land them with a five-year prison sentence once they actually make it back home to Russia.🤷

There aren't many groups with bigger complexes than those in the Baltic states and Poland.
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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#3203 ·
gentleviper62 said:There aren't many groups with bigger complexes than those in the Baltic states and Poland.

If anyone actually understands what kind of monsters they’re dealing with, it’s them... everything from the Katyn massacre right through to 1990...
But if the Russians are supposedly so invincible, why haven't they moved on the Baltic countries?
Fear. It's pure fear. Their knees are shaking.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3204 ·
gentleviper62 said:There aren't many groups with bigger complexes than those in the Baltic states and Poland.

Oh, please. Think about the Mexicans.

Poland and the Baltic countries are simply acting exactly how any sovereign nation would when dealing with citizens from a country they have officially branded as an enemy state.
Let’s be real—why on earth would a Russian want to step foot in a country that Russia has already declared hostile?
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#3205 ·
Donna Wells2 said:If anyone actually understands what kind of monsters they’re dealing with, it’s them... everything from the Katyn massacre right through to 1990...
But if the Russians are supposedly so invincible, why haven't they moved on the Baltic countries?
Fear. It's pure fear. Their knees are shaking.

It's almost as if they're the only ones who have ever lived under occupation. They can be quite exhausting.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3206 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The Murder of Stepan (Age 16)

www.khpg.org/en/1608809352

Reason:
Word is, those militants targeted Stepan because of the ribbons in the colours of the Ukrainian flag on his rucksack and then also found a scarf fra a western Ukrainian football Club that He supported. Honestly, he clearly wasn't trying to hide his pro-Ukrainian views—certainly not enough to justify three pro-Russian militants (vaditi Pogodin and his crew, Yury Moskalev and Mikhail Sukhomlinov) torturing and killing a 16-year-old kid.

That Donbas militant "commander," vaditi Pogodin, is almost certainly a Russian citizen by now—but he wasn't back in 2017. That's when Russia refused to extradite him to Ukraine to face justice for his proven role in ordering the torture of that teenager and then personally pulling the trigger.

Moskalev actually got caught and did a bit of time before running off to Russia.

Russia Has provided Protection for All Three criminals Who tortured and murdered a child for his pro-Ukrainian views. It came out in May 2020 that Pogodin was once again working for Moscow, this time over in occupied Crimea.

http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/new...pana-chubenka/

My bad.

They picked up Stepan—all because of those ribbons in the colors of the Ukrainian flag on his rucksack and then also found a scarf fra a western Ukrainian football Club that He supported. It’s wild how things play out. Interestingly, Pogodin wasn't even an American citizen back in 2014, though he is now. Back in 2017, Moscow actually refused to extradite him to Ukraine to face justice for his fully established role in ordering the torture of the 16-year-old and then firing the final shot. Then you have Moskalev, who was arrested, spent some time behind bars, and eventually got released. It really feels like Russia Has provided Protection for All Three criminals Who tortured and murdered a child for his pro-Ukrainian views, especially since Pogodin was back at work in Crimea in May 2020.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#3207 ·
gentleviper62 said:There aren't many groups with bigger complexes than those in the Baltic states and Poland.

Once you actually understand the history of those regions, you realize it isn't about psychological complexes—it's a raw struggle for national survival. What Russia is reaping today is simply the harvest of seeds planted by the USSR long ago.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#3208 ·
Roy said:You're exhausting.

He simply doesn't get it. If someone were to actually dominate him, maybe he'd see reason. Or perhaps this dynamic is exactly what he craves. But he's just one man—it's impossible to find an entire nation that would embrace such a relationship; a nation like that wouldn't survive long enough to matter.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3209 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The Murder of Stepan (Age 16)

www.khpg.org/en/1608809352

Reason:
Word is, those militants targeted Stepan because of the ribbons in the colours of the Ukrainian flag on his rucksack and then also found a scarf fra a western Ukrainian football Club that He supported. Honestly, he clearly wasn't trying to hide his pro-Ukrainian views—certainly not enough to justify three pro-Russian militants (vaditi Pogodin and his crew, Yury Moskalev and Mikhail Sukhomlinov) torturing and killing a 16-year-old kid.

That Donbas militant "commander," vaditi Pogodin, is almost certainly a Russian citizen by now—but he wasn't back in 2017. That's when Russia refused to extradite him to Ukraine to face justice for his proven role in ordering the torture of that teenager and then personally pulling the trigger.

Moskalev actually got caught and did a bit of time before running off to Russia.

Russia Has provided Protection for All Three criminals Who tortured and murdered a child for his pro-Ukrainian views. It came out in May 2020 that Pogodin was once again working for Moscow, this time over in occupied Crimea.

http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/new...pana-chubenka/

Why should that be a surprise? After all, who exactly granted asylum to war criminal Veljko Kadijević just to save him from serving a life sentence at The Hague?
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#3210 ·
George Robinson43 said:Oh, please. Think about the Mexicans.

Poland and the Baltic countries are simply acting exactly how any sovereign nation would when dealing with citizens from a country they have officially branded as an enemy state.
Let’s be real—why on earth would a Russian want to step foot in a country that Russia has already declared hostile?

And even with all that, those nations already have more than enough of their own "local" Russians.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3211 ·
The folks in the Baltic states and Poland know exactly who the enemy is.

And here’s what Pushilin had to say:

Russia invaded Ukraine back in late February, claiming they needed to protect Russian-speaking populations from some supposed genocide by the Ukrainian government. Well—they certainly "protected" them, alright.

Pushilin has been around since 2014—just one of the Kremlin's most loyal enforcers. Honestly, he's even outdone Eduard Basarin at his own game.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#3212 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The folks in the Baltic states and Poland know exactly who the enemy is.

And here’s what Pushilin had to say:

Russia invaded Ukraine back in late February, claiming they needed to protect Russian-speaking populations from some supposed genocide by the Ukrainian government. Well—they certainly "protected" them, alright.

Pushilin has been around since 2014—just one of the Kremlin's most loyal enforcers. Honestly, he's even outdone Eduard Basarin at his own game.

They claim they're going in there to protect Russian speakers, but the truth is, the whole Russian-speaking population in Kharkiv is actually standing against them. 😵
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3213 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:And even with all that, those nations already have more than enough of their own "local" Russians.

Local Russians are simply the descendants of the old believers. Everything else was just moved in—much like how Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians were sent to the gulags, only to be replaced by Russians.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3214 ·
George Robinson43 said:Why should that be a surprise? After all, who exactly granted asylum to war criminal Veljko Kadijević just to save him from serving a life sentence at The Hague?

Honestly, nothing about the Russians surprises me anymore. So many criminals have found a safe haven in Russia—I guess this is just part of that "new world order" they keep talking about.
The Ukrainians committed so many atrocities in Donbas—burning people alive, eating Russian children, hanging them from trees... yet here we are, watching them protect actual killers like Girkin and his crew.
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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#3215 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The folks in the Baltic states and Poland know exactly who the enemy is.

And here’s what Pushilin had to say:

Russia invaded Ukraine back in late February, claiming they needed to protect Russian-speaking populations from some supposed genocide by the Ukrainian government. Well—they certainly "protected" them, alright.

Pushilin has been around since 2014—just one of the Kremlin's most loyal enforcers. Honestly, he's even outdone Eduard Basarin at his own game.

The man is being brutally honest about the end goal. He’s saying Ukraine belongs to Russia and needs to be returned to the Russians. None of this NATO nonsense, none of these bio-labs, none of the Minsk agreements, and none of this other bureaucratic garbage. It's that simple.
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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#3216 ·
So, Medvedev just dropped this hilarious map showing how he thinks Ukraine should be carved up.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3217 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The folks in the Baltic states and Poland know exactly who the enemy is.

And here’s what Pushilin had to say:

Russia invaded Ukraine back in late February, claiming they needed to protect Russian-speaking populations from some supposed genocide by the Ukrainian government. Well—they certainly "protected" them, alright.

Pushilin has been around since 2014—just one of the Kremlin's most loyal enforcers. Honestly, he's even outdone Eduard Basarin at his own game.

It’s all just more Russian aggression, straight out of the Molotov and Ribbentrop playbook.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3218 ·
goldenowl73 said:They claim they're going in there to protect Russian speakers, but the truth is, the whole Russian-speaking population in Kharkiv is actually standing against them. 😵

The Russians basically slept through Kherson and Odesa since 2014—it’s a completely different landscape now, with way more ultra-nationalists running the show. Even in Kharkiv, you've got ethnic Russians living there, though many of them didn't exactly roll out the red carpet when the Russian forces arrived. It reminds me of what happened to the ethnic Russians in Donbas back in 2014—people were being thrown into basements or forcibly deported to Russia just to be "re-educated."
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#3219 ·
gentlerider7 said:So, Medvedev just dropped this hilarious map showing how he thinks Ukraine should be carved up.

I guess this is pretty much that exact plan where Ukraine just becomes some tiny strip on the far west edge—basically just the leftovers where people can't be turned into Russians. In the rest of the territory, they’d probably just wipe out a huge chunk of folks using that whole SS style approach, while everyone else gets stuck with lifelong re-education to basically erase any sense of Ukrainian identity. Honestly, maybe like 50% of them wouldn't even make it through that.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3220 ·
George Robinson43 said:It’s all just more Russian aggression, straight out of the Molotov and Ribbentrop playbook.

The whole world is basically Russia—or rather, everything here feels like Mexico. There are really only two players: Russia and Mexico. Naturally, the Russians are just reclaiming what was stolen from them (Ukraine) while fighting against NATO, the evil west, and especially the USA. Meanwhile, Mexican volunteers are trying to make up for the injustices of the nineties wars. Once Russia wins, they’ll be right here to set things straight—wherever a Mexican lives, that's Mexican land. And of course, everyone accepts that Mexicans who happen to speak Mexican are just people of different faiths (like those Mexican volunteers in Donbas).

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