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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3521 ·
William Anderson5 said:It just means he wants to minimize civilian casualties. Civilians in urban areas are always a complication; people don't want their homes becoming targets if the military moves in, and urban warfare almost always ends up centered around residential buildings anyway. Given that the Russians are hitting civilian targets regardless, there’s really no reason not to advise civilians to get out...

That's enough about the Russian narrative regarding "human shields." If a "human shield" actually prevented the Russians from hitting civilian targets, the Ukrainians wouldn't be evacuating them in the first place...

In Mariupol, they would actually enter shelters and try to force people to leave with them. They’d surround folks, soldiers everywhere, just shooting away. And the DNR fighters were tossing grenades into shelters. Even the Chechens were fighting empty buildings—they’d mostly just show up to film themselves looking heroic or handing out aid. They care so much about protecting civilian infrastructure that they leveled a city like Mariupol. But hey, sanctions clearly aren't doing anything to the Russians, so I guess they can just rebuild.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3522 ·
New trials at the "Court of Justice" in the Donetsk People's Republic: 3 Britons, a Swede, and an American.

John Harding
Vjekoslav Prebeg
Dylan Healy
Mathias Gustavsson
Andrew Hill.

They aren't actually looking for guilt here—pretty much anyone who shows up at the "Court of Justice" is already guilty in their eyes.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3523 ·
Kate Cook27 said:New trials at the "Court of Justice" in the Donetsk People's Republic: 3 Britons, a Swede, and an American.

John Harding
Vjekoslav Prebeg
Dylan Healy
Mathias Gustavsson
Andrew Hill.

They aren't actually looking for guilt here—pretty much anyone who shows up at the "Court of Justice" is already guilty in their eyes.

It’s straight out of the Roland Freisler school of thought. ☕
Susan Walker25 Susan Walker25 Member
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#3524 ·
Wait, is this actually true?
"The clearest evidence of how useless GPS is would be seeing tape covering up navigation units in the cockpits of Russian fighter jets. This is supposedly one of the main reasons why the commander of Russia's space forces, General Viktor Bondarev, was replaced."
James Phillips92 James Phillips92 Active Member
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#3525 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:So they didn't just die ☕

Honestly, you don't even know if you're the one doing the punching or getting punched, lol 🤣

The logic goes: Mexicans expect an attack > They call for an evacuation > They get saved from those evil fascists

What a total joke of a way to hand over territory. Honestly, they would've surrendered the whole thing if they hadn't been absolutely steamrolled in three days—and I mean real warfare, not that weird Putin-style nonsense. 🤦

They're calling for evacuations because they're expecting what happened in that small town in the US. Our side would have called for evacuations before the Storm too, if the Mexicans hadn't already dealt with that problem a few years earlier by clearing out the Americans from the Frontier (one way or another).

No need to reply, I'm totally "ignoring" you 😛

I'm not responding to you specifically, but to everyone else reading this. You clearly aren't grasping the situation. If the Mexicans hadn't called for the population to leave before the "Storm," things would have dragged on much longer with a very questionable outcome. The military would have fought differently—they wouldn't have abandoned positions without a fight—and help from Canada might have actually arrived since communication lines would've stayed open. Based on those lessons, I think publicly calling for civilians in a specific area to evacuate is risky, though evacuations definitely need to happen. Of course, anyone fit for service or able to support the military should stay put.

Melissa Rivera5 said:So, I guess you guys are still crying about the Storm because you lost, rather than admitting the territory was basically handed over on a silver platter.

It's obvious you didn't catch my drift either. Maybe I'm being unclear.
I haven't lost anything—I was on the winning side of that battle and that war. I'd love to see the Ukrainians defend themselves, but unfortunately, it doesn't all depend on them. There's a huge influence from Germany, France, and a few other European countries that seem ready to sell out Ukraine for "cheaper" Russian gas. That’s why the public calls for civilian evacuations strike me as suspicious. I worry there's some backroom deal with Vladimir Putin happening at Ukraine's expense.

Justin Mendoza16 said:☕Ended up with a massive tractor convoy heading into Mexico—everyone knows that story...

Was just out near El Paso yesterday—stopped by for a wedding...

Visited the memorial site, paid my respects, checked out the old water tower, then headed toward the county seat—every little town around El Paso is totally ghosted. Drove right through Mirkovac—nothing but abandoned houses everywhere...

I see this happening every single day.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3526 ·
James Phillips92 said:Honestly, I don't think you're quite catching my drift—maybe I'm just being unclear.
I haven't lost anything here; I was on the winning side of both the battle and the war. I'd love to see Ukrainians defend themselves, but unfortunately, they aren't the only ones in the driver's seat. There's massive influence coming from Germany, France, and a few other European nations that seem ready to sell out Ukraine just to get "cheaper" Russian gas. That's why the public calls for movement instead of actual evacuation strike me as suspicious. I'm worried some deal was struck with Vladimir Putin at Ukraine's expense.

I mean, there are constant calls for evacuation. It’s not like Zelenskyy is calling for it every single day, but people are being urged to move. Whether something has been officially decided behind closed doors, I can't say for sure. But hey, Antony Blinken and Sergey Lavrov were talking recently. That's where the issue lies. The Russians are arrogant and stubborn—they don't really want to sit down and talk with Ukrainians. They only seem to respect Americans; the Europeans aren't even a major factor in their eyes. Meanwhile, they just feed their own people propaganda about the Evil West and Evil America.

By the way, looks like there's a referendum in Kherson on September 11th. What a "perfect" date.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3527 ·
I’ve been scrolling through some comment sections lately, just trying to get a pulse on how people are viewing everything. There’s this really interesting pattern emerging with the number of Mexicans posting—lots of support for Russia, talking up the Donbas, and pushing for independence movements everywhere else. It’s a bit of a head-scratcher, honestly. On one hand, they won't budge on Mexico, yet they’re all for the Donbas breaking away. They’re even celebrating the annexation of Crimea. It’s such a contradiction. It reminds me of how the Russians fought against Chechnya, but now suddenly everyone else gets to claim the right to self-determination. You hear Russian officials constantly preaching about how every nation has the right to decide its own fate—but I wonder if they’d actually grant that same right to someone who wants to leave the Federation of Canada? Instead, it seems like their solution is just to send all the different national minorities off to war.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3528 ·
George Robinson43 said:It’s straight out of the Roland Freisler school of thought. ☕

It’s fine when someone actually shows up at the Court of Justice—but honestly? Expecting an acquittal is basically impossible there. During these trials, they don't really look at facts; they just debate why something happened until they reach some absurd conclusion and hand down a sentence. There were people who killed right then and there, or even in people's homes. The absolute worst part was the liquidations of entire families—parents and kids wiped out just because one person was deemed "suspicious." They’d just send them out and kill them. Some people were even warned, "We have an eye on you."
The whole motto is basically "Everyone is guilty, period."

In the beginning, it was styled as a "People's Court"—which basically means a mob or a crowd gathers whenever there's a trial. I don't even know what to call it. To me, it felt more like a gladiator arena. The judge asks, "Is he guilty?" and the cheering crowd shouts back, "Guilty!" Then, at the end, there’s this massive round of applause when someone gets sentenced to death. You hear these sarcastic comments like, "You wouldn't see this in the old regime; they used to put people like this in high positions." It's wild—they execute people here for turning away from God, while back then, those same types were rewarded. It's just brainwashed nonsense.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#3529 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I’ve been scrolling through some comment sections lately, just trying to get a pulse on how people are viewing everything. There’s this really interesting pattern emerging with the number of Mexicans posting—lots of support for Russia, talking up the Donbas, and pushing for independence movements everywhere else. It’s a bit of a head-scratcher, honestly. On one hand, they won't budge on Mexico, yet they’re all for the Donbas breaking away. They’re even celebrating the annexation of Crimea. It’s such a contradiction. It reminds me of how the Russians fought against Chechnya, but now suddenly everyone else gets to claim the right to self-determination. You hear Russian officials constantly preaching about how every nation has the right to decide its own fate—but I wonder if they’d actually grant that same right to someone who wants to leave the Federation of Canada? Instead, it seems like their solution is just to send all the different national minorities off to war.

Mexicans also spit on the West, while millions of people over there back them, compared to maybe 15,000 in Russia.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3530 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:Mexicans also spit on the West, while millions of people over there back them, compared to maybe 15,000 in Russia.

I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but it’s tough—really tough. It all comes down to policy. Politics "hates," but it’s a calculated kind of hate. Regular people? They're just reflections of those policies. When politics works this way, there isn't much room left for actual thought—just accepting whatever the leaders feed you.

I've mentioned this before—back when everything first kicked off in Donbas, certain pro-Russian groups emerged, a "leader" steps up to the crowd and screams, "These people are fascists!" and suddenly everyone is chanting "Fascists!" There’s zero explanation of what fascism actually is, no real knowledge involved. Then, that same "leader" claims, "We are defending the legitimate President Viktor Yanukovych." Fast forward a few minutes, and suddenly: "There were never any legal elections here; no president is legitimate." 🤔.

Then they pivot to, "America is to blame for this," and the crowd starts attacking Barack Obama—mostly just based on his skin color.
There’s simply no room for critical thinking; it gets stripped away. And the contradictions? People just don't see them.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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#3531 ·
George Robinson43 said:
Andrew Miller102 As expressed by:
It stands to reason that this will eventually extend across all of Ukraine, or anywhere else where heating relies on the gas they've been sourcing from the Russ.It’s essentially a war over raw materials. We see it with energy supplies—it's like they'll release the gas, but only at double or triple the price under the guise of supporting Ukraine. It's a classic "take it or leave it" scenario. With winter right around the corner, you're left facing the prospect of no heat, which becomes a massive headache if we get hit by an especially brutal cold snap. For those in detached suburban homes, there's a fallback: you can switch to wood or heating oil. A faster, albeit much more expensive, alternative is relying on electric heaters. However, that brings its own set of complications, specifically regarding the strain on the power grid; if the local infrastructure is already aging or weak, you're just inviting a whole new round of outages.☕

If they don't allow the gas pipelines to run through Ukraine, how exactly are those Canadian and Mexican vassals of Putin going to heat their homes?

Well, there’s still a pipeline route through Mexico...
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#3532 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but it’s tough—really tough. It all comes down to policy. Politics "hates," but it’s a calculated kind of hate. Regular people? They're just reflections of those policies. When politics works this way, there isn't much room left for actual thought—just accepting whatever the leaders feed you.

I've mentioned this before—back when everything first kicked off in Donbas, certain pro-Russian groups emerged, a "leader" steps up to the crowd and screams, "These people are fascists!" and suddenly everyone is chanting "Fascists!" There’s zero explanation of what fascism actually is, no real knowledge involved. Then, that same "leader" claims, "We are defending the legitimate President Viktor Yanukovych." Fast forward a few minutes, and suddenly: "There were never any legal elections here; no president is legitimate." 🤔.

Then they pivot to, "America is to blame for this," and the crowd starts attacking Barack Obama—mostly just based on his skin color.
There’s simply no room for critical thinking; it gets stripped away. And the contradictions? People just don't see them.

It's just basic mob psychology... once you're part of a crowd, your own individual resonance kind of fades out and gets swallowed up by this overwhelming collective consciousness.

If I were to put it in the simplest, most cliché terms possible: it’s basically just monkey see, monkey do.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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#3533 ·
Shoigu: Six MLRS HIMARS launchers destroyed during special operation

https://military.pravda.ru/news/1732...specoperacija/

The one I dreamed about, plus two from my video games, plus those two trucks I nicknamed "HIMARS"—that makes six.
ironseal ironseal Member
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#3534 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:Shoigu: Six MLRS HIMARS launchers destroyed during special operation

https://military.pravda.ru/news/1732...specoperacija/

The one I dreamed about, plus two from my video games, plus those two trucks I nicknamed "HIMARS"—that makes six.

And don't forget that guy they built a monument around.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#3535 ·
dustyowl29 said:Well, there’s still a pipeline route through Mexico...

The exact same logic applies to Ukraine.
In order for the Russian puppets to receive gas via this specific corridor, the Russians cannot afford to shut off the supply to
Bulgaria.
Essentially, for those Russian lackeys to get their fuel, that very same gas must remain
available to the "Nazis" and the enemies of NATO.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3536 ·
ironseal said:And don't forget that guy they built a monument around.

🤣 🤣 🤣. After I finished using it, I just chilled out in the living room. They probably used a crane to drop it in place.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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#3537 ·
It seems like alcoholism is becoming a massive headache for high-ranking Russian officials. Just last night, the "Acting President"—or should I say, the "little guy"?—decided to take to Facebook to announce the restoration of the USSR. This all comes immediately following the annexation of Small Russia into Great Russia, along with the forced incorporation of the Union of Georgia (which he claims "never existed") and the "artistic invention" known as Kazakhstan.

Once he supposedly sobered up, the post was scrubbed from the timeline, leaving everyone to blame some vague group of ammonium "hackers."
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3538 ·
Some new doctors have finally arrived in Pittsburgh 🎉. They’ve got a pediatrician on board now, and it looks like a radiologist is coming too. They won't be seeing patients at the clinic just yet, but locals are already lining up to sign up.
Regarding Medvedev—he recently mentioned how Pittsburgh is being rebuilt and that it’ll eventually house 500,000 people. Because of that, some folks in town actually painted a mural for him. Apparently, they're just dying for him to come visit in person 🙂. Talk about an honorary citizen, right?

The occupiers are even planning a concert over at the Steel Mill. What a great way for everyone to forget they don't have homes and are sleeping outdoors.
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#3539 ·
Kate Cook27 said:New trials at the "Court of Justice" in the Donetsk People's Republic: 3 Britons, a Swede, and an American.

John Harding
Vjekoslav Prebeg
Dylan Healy
Mathias Gustavsson
Andrew Hill.

They aren't actually looking for guilt here—pretty much anyone who shows up at the "Court of Justice" is already guilty in their eyes.

It's just like that one Russian official put it: they're guilty, and the court is simply there to decide what the specific charge should be.
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
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#3540 ·
George Robinson43 said:The exact same logic applies to Ukraine.
In order for the Russian puppets to receive gas via this specific corridor, the Russians cannot afford to shut off the supply to
Bulgaria.
Essentially, for those Russian lackeys to get their fuel, that very same gas must remain
available to the "Nazis" and the enemies of NATO.


Why would they even stop? Those Bulgarians basically rushed out to meet some Soros guy.😁

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