Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Amy Rogers6 said:So you're actually suggesting India and China just stopped buying Russian oil? And then magically stopped flipping it on the market to places like the European Union? As long as the G7 isn't the only game in town, no amount of sanctions is going to kill Russia's energy profits... It’s like you guys can't count higher than your own fingers. Cheering and wishful thinking are one thing, but reality and basic logic are something else entirely....☕

Steven Kim35 said:I’ve been weighing a specific scenario lately. What if the Ukrainians simply let go of Crimea and the Donbas? If they called a truce now and let Russia step back, the war would finally be over. Ukraine could focus on rebuilding and actual development. Then, in thirty years, once they're strong enough, they can decide to take it all back on their own terms.

rowdytiger13 said:Here’s what an actual professional had to say about this topic:
The USA will come out on top. They'll be the ones selling the weapons and the fuel.
China and India win too. They'll pick up energy from Russia at deeply discounted rates.
Europe is basically screwed.
Russia played a massive strategic masterstroke.

brighthound13 said:I don't see any discounted energy being available anytime soon, especially when you consider how even Saudi Arabia is coordinating oil production and exports alongside Russia. Take Canada, for example; they're essentially seen as a domestic producer for the USA, yet the US keeps them right at a break-even point or maybe just a tiny bit ahead. Plus, those British and Norwegian fields in the North Sea are winding down, and major exporters like Malaysia or Indonesia aren't really in that same position anymore.
It makes me wonder, though, how all this energy exchange is actually going to work, and what kind of currency or goods will be used to pay for it all?

rowdytiger13 said:By the way, I think the combination of maintaining and rebuilding all those occupied territories, paired with heavy sanctions, is going to absolutely bury Russia.
+ Plus, they’ll always have to deal with guerrilla movements and sabotage in those areas (and honestly, it might even happen on their own soil). The Ukrainians are already trained up and ready for exactly that kind of fight.
Russia has dug itself into a massive hole... China is just going to snap them up like a bargain at an auction.

rowdytiger13 said:Germany is essentially bracing for a recession, and doing so with a fair amount of discipline. I suspect they'll handle the fallout better than we will, attempting to soften the blow however possible—even the Greens are backing down, and there's even talk of returning to coal.
It’s going to be ugly, but Europe will pull through. Ukraine will bury Russia.

Do you actually think Russia just woke up one morning in 2022 and decided to invade Ukraine on a whim? Please. This war didn't just happen overnight—it was being cooked up for at least five years. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they absolutely expected the West to push back. Just look at how they've pivoted their entire geopolitical and economic strategy in response. That’s the reality right there.

Russia benefits from dragging this conflict out into the winter—the longer the war lasts, the better (well, not *too* long, because a multi-year grind would eventually wreck them too). Their play here is to snap the weakest link in the Western bloc—specifically the EU—as they see it as the fastest route toward a multipolar world, which is one of their main goals. The thing is, it looks like Russia has started playing the "controlled chaos" game just like the Anglo-Saxons. But history has proven a thousand times over that chaos is a fickle beast; you can never fully control it. Look at Hitler—the Allies basically had more luck than sense early on, which kept that chaos from blowing up in their own faces. And let’s be real: the Germans have historically been some of the biggest geopolitical idiots in civilization, which is clearly still true today. Honestly, that just adds a massive stroke of luck to the equation.

I mean, I could see it happening where China ends up buying into the stock market—and I'm not just talking about Russian assets here. That whole process is pretty much a foregone conclusion. The only thing that can actually stop them is the USA, and they’d have to do it through a direct war that they absolutely HAVE to win. And let's be real, that's no walk in the park.

When it comes to Germans—they’ve always been clueless, and honestly, they haven't changed. They have such massive complexes; sometimes I feel like they’re even worse than the Russians, whose unstoppable geopolitical screw-ups don't seem to slow them down one bit. They’re just fundamentally limited when it comes to global strategy.

So you're saying the German messed up? 😁 They didn't screw up; they were just dreaming of a massive Eurasian powerhouse—different from Russia, sure—where they’d call all the shots using their tech and industrial muscle, fueled by cheap Russian energy. Honestly, there’s no mistake here; it’s pure, cold calculation. And it’s nothing new, either. They choked twice during the war, and now they think they can just slide back in through the economic backdoor? Yeah, not gonna happen. Not when they're simultaneously trying to grab a leash on Europe and making another play for the Middle East at the same time.

I'll tell you exactly how this winter in Germany is going to look if this war drags into 2023. There are really only two ways this plays out: either Germany ends up on its knees begging for any solution they can find while their society starts radicalizing, or they pivot their remaining resources into the defense industry to gear up for a new Eastern Front. That’s it. There is no third option. Everything else they're yapping about is just empty rhetoric that's going to get swept away by pure energy logic.

Why do you think Germans are praying for this war to end ASAP? They’re honestly ready to let Russia just steamroll Ukrainians if it means getting their power back on full blast. They couldn't care less about what happens to Ukraine—as far as they're concerned, they can be wiped off the map if it means the energy keeps flowing.

The Anglos are just playing the long game with Ukraine—they just need them to hold out for another four or five years. Honestly, whether they actually win the war or not isn't even their main concern. The real goal? Bleed Russia dry. If they can exhaust them now, it opens up a clear path to target China later, who would be left completely isolated and way easier to take down.

Ukrainians only have their grit to rely on at this point. Honestly, I’m pulling for them and hope they pull through—though it’s gonna be a hell of a fight. That psycho leader just gave a speech for the G7 that basically screams he isn't stopping until he hits total occupation. But let's be real: he probably only has a year left. Russia doesn't have the economic stamina to keep grinding like this without destroying themselves in the process. And by "destroying themselves," I don't mean people or equipment—we all know that guy doesn't count human lives or hardware as actual losses.

Bottom line: at this rate—especially if the energy crisis keeps spiraling (which, let’s face it, is totally on the table)—the EU is going to tank and vanish from the geopolitical map entirely. And honestly? That's the least of our worries. I'm not even going to bring up those failed solutions or all the other agendas they forced through back in 2019...

That's just the cold, hard geopolitical reality. Everything else is either blind cheerleading (which I get) or just loud, obnoxious nonsense, and frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.☕

Nancy Gomez26 said:The Russian Federation isn't actually going to rebuild anything in occupied zones, because they won't get official recognition of those lands as theirs. Perhaps only Belarus might eventually acknowledge them as part of the RF—and honestly, I wouldn't bet on them either.

Amy Rogers6 said:Do you actually think Russia just woke up one morning in 2022 and decided to invade Ukraine on a whim? Please. This war didn't just happen overnight—it was being cooked up for at least five years. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they absolutely expected the West to push back. Just look at how they've pivoted their entire geopolitical and economic strategy in response. That’s the reality right there.

Russia benefits from dragging this conflict out into the winter—the longer the war lasts, the better (well, not *too* long, because a multi-year grind would eventually wreck them too). Their play here is to snap the weakest link in the Western bloc—specifically the EU—as they see it as the fastest route toward a multipolar world, which is one of their main goals. The thing is, it looks like Russia has started playing the "controlled chaos" game just like the Anglo-Saxons. But history has proven a thousand times over that chaos is a fickle beast; you can never fully control it. Look at Hitler—the Allies basically had more luck than sense early on, which kept that chaos from blowing up in their own faces. And let’s be real: the Germans have historically been some of the biggest geopolitical idiots in civilization, which is clearly still true today. Honestly, that just adds a massive stroke of luck to the equation.

I mean, I could see it happening where China ends up buying into the stock market—and I'm not just talking about Russian assets here. That whole process is pretty much a foregone conclusion. The only thing that can actually stop them is the USA, and they’d have to do it through a direct war that they absolutely HAVE to win. And let's be real, that's no walk in the park.

When it comes to Germans—they’ve always been clueless, and honestly, they haven't changed. They have such massive complexes; sometimes I feel like they’re even worse than the Russians, whose unstoppable geopolitical screw-ups don't seem to slow them down one bit. They’re just fundamentally limited when it comes to global strategy.

So you're saying the German messed up? 😁 They didn't screw up; they were just dreaming of a massive Eurasian powerhouse—different from Russia, sure—where they’d call all the shots using their tech and industrial muscle, fueled by cheap Russian energy. Honestly, there’s no mistake here; it’s pure, cold calculation. And it’s nothing new, either. They choked twice during the war, and now they think they can just slide back in through the economic backdoor? Yeah, not gonna happen. Not when they're simultaneously trying to grab a leash on Europe and making another play for the Middle East at the same time.

I'll tell you exactly how this winter in Germany is going to look if this war drags into 2023. There are really only two ways this plays out: either Germany ends up on its knees begging for any solution they can find while their society starts radicalizing, or they pivot their remaining resources into the defense industry to gear up for a new Eastern Front. That’s it. There is no third option. Everything else they're yapping about is just empty rhetoric that's going to get swept away by pure energy logic.

Why do you think Germans are praying for this war to end ASAP? They’re honestly ready to let Russia just steamroll Ukrainians if it means getting their power back on full blast. They couldn't care less about what happens to Ukraine—as far as they're concerned, they can be wiped off the map if it means the energy keeps flowing.

The Anglos are just playing the long game with Ukraine—they just need them to hold out for another four or five years. Honestly, whether they actually win the war or not isn't even their main concern. The real goal? Bleed Russia dry. If they can exhaust them now, it opens up a clear path to target China later, who would be left completely isolated and way easier to take down.

Ukrainians only have their grit to rely on at this point. Honestly, I’m pulling for them and hope they pull through—though it’s gonna be a hell of a fight. That psycho leader just gave a speech for the G7 that basically screams he isn't stopping until he hits total occupation. But let's be real: he probably only has a year left. Russia doesn't have the economic stamina to keep grinding like this without destroying themselves in the process. And by "destroying themselves," I don't mean people or equipment—we all know that guy doesn't count human lives or hardware as actual losses.

Bottom line: at this rate—especially if the energy crisis keeps spiraling (which, let’s face it, is totally on the table)—the EU is going to tank and vanish from the geopolitical map entirely. And honestly? That's the least of our worries. I'm not even going to bring up those failed solutions or all the other agendas they forced through back in 2019...

That's just the cold, hard geopolitical reality. Everything else is either blind cheerleading (which I get) or just loud, obnoxious nonsense, and frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.☕

rowdytiger13 said:Here’s what an actual professional had to say about this topic:
The USA will come out on top. They'll be the ones selling the weapons and the fuel.
China and India win too. They'll pick up energy from Russia at deeply discounted rates.
Europe is basically screwed.
Russia played a massive strategic masterstroke.

Melissa Rivera5 said:I mean, I’m just wondering... how are we ever supposed to trust Russia again? Like, let's say they actually sign a ceasefire tomorrow and the war finally ends. Who, or even what, would act as the guarantor to make sure history doesn't just repeat itself?

Christian Torres3 said:Do yourself a favor and Google a list of major oil exporters so you don't embarrass yourself with such stupid takes.

Christian Torres3 said:

Amy Rogers6 said:Do you actually think Russia just woke up one morning in 2022 and decided to invade Ukraine on a whim? Please. This war didn't just happen overnight—it was being cooked up for at least five years. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they absolutely expected the West to push back. Just look at how they've pivoted their entire geopolitical and economic strategy in response. That’s the reality right there.

Russia benefits from dragging this conflict out into the winter—the longer the war lasts, the better (well, not *too* long, because a multi-year grind would eventually wreck them too). Their play here is to snap the weakest link in the Western bloc—specifically the EU—as they see it as the fastest route toward a multipolar world, which is one of their main goals. The thing is, it looks like Russia has started playing the "controlled chaos" game just like the Anglo-Saxons. But history has proven a thousand times over that chaos is a fickle beast; you can never fully control it. Look at Hitler—the Allies basically had more luck than sense early on, which kept that chaos from blowing up in their own faces. And let’s be real: the Germans have historically been some of the biggest geopolitical idiots in civilization, which is clearly still true today. Honestly, that just adds a massive stroke of luck to the equation.

I mean, I could see it happening where China ends up buying into the stock market—and I'm not just talking about Russian assets here. That whole process is pretty much a foregone conclusion. The only thing that can actually stop them is the USA, and they’d have to do it through a direct war that they absolutely HAVE to win. And let's be real, that's no walk in the park.

When it comes to Germans—they’ve always been clueless, and honestly, they haven't changed. They have such massive complexes; sometimes I feel like they’re even worse than the Russians, whose unstoppable geopolitical screw-ups don't seem to slow them down one bit. They’re just fundamentally limited when it comes to global strategy.

So you're saying the German messed up? 😁 They didn't screw up; they were just dreaming of a massive Eurasian powerhouse—different from Russia, sure—where they’d call all the shots using their tech and industrial muscle, fueled by cheap Russian energy. Honestly, there’s no mistake here; it’s pure, cold calculation. And it’s nothing new, either. They choked twice during the war, and now they think they can just slide back in through the economic backdoor? Yeah, not gonna happen. Not when they're simultaneously trying to grab a leash on Europe and making another play for the Middle East at the same time.

I'll tell you exactly how this winter in Germany is going to look if this war drags into 2023. There are really only two ways this plays out: either Germany ends up on its knees begging for any solution they can find while their society starts radicalizing, or they pivot their remaining resources into the defense industry to gear up for a new Eastern Front. That’s it. There is no third option. Everything else they're yapping about is just empty rhetoric that's going to get swept away by pure energy logic.

Why do you think Germans are praying for this war to end ASAP? They’re honestly ready to let Russia just steamroll Ukrainians if it means getting their power back on full blast. They couldn't care less about what happens to Ukraine—as far as they're concerned, they can be wiped off the map if it means the energy keeps flowing.

The Anglos are just playing the long game with Ukraine—they just need them to hold out for another four or five years. Honestly, whether they actually win the war or not isn't even their main concern. The real goal? Bleed Russia dry. If they can exhaust them now, it opens up a clear path to target China later, who would be left completely isolated and way easier to take down.

Ukrainians only have their grit to rely on at this point. Honestly, I’m pulling for them and hope they pull through—though it’s gonna be a hell of a fight. That psycho leader just gave a speech for the G7 that basically screams he isn't stopping until he hits total occupation. But let's be real: he probably only has a year left. Russia doesn't have the economic stamina to keep grinding like this without destroying themselves in the process. And by "destroying themselves," I don't mean people or equipment—we all know that guy doesn't count human lives or hardware as actual losses.

Bottom line: at this rate—especially if the energy crisis keeps spiraling (which, let’s face it, is totally on the table)—the EU is going to tank and vanish from the geopolitical map entirely. And honestly? That's the least of our worries. I'm not even going to bring up those failed solutions or all the other agendas they forced through back in 2019...

That's just the cold, hard geopolitical reality. Everything else is either blind cheerleading (which I get) or just loud, obnoxious nonsense, and frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.☕

analogbear5 said:People on this sub are all saying Europe is screwed because they’re gonna have to dump way more money into their own defense.

If only it were that simple.

Christian Torres3 said:

Tyler Bennett73 said:Man, I still remember how the European Union and the USA were feeding us this whole fairy tale when those first sanction packages dropped—telling us Russia would be completely broke by mid-April. Well, guess what? It’s already been seven months, and the Ruble is sitting there looking stronger than ever while the Euro is basically in a death spiral. Look, I'm not saying sanctions won't do *anything*, but they're definitely going to trigger some massive backlashes. The real question is: how much is the European Union actually going to take the hit for all this? Right now, we're just seeing the winners rake it in: China, the USA, India, Turkey. Pretty soon, politicians are gonna have to deal with people losing their minds over shrinking wallets—and honestly, who knows? We might even see another "random" pandemic pop up this winter, just "coincidentally" appearing right when things get messy.

Nancy Gomez26 said:

gentlerider7 said:Russia wasn't getting ready for this kind of scenario. From your very first sentence, your premise is totally wrong. This isn't "reality," it's just a bunch of wishful thinking from a movie you aren't even watching.