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hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#7381 ·
hollowwalker24 said:Donald Trump and Donald Trump are out here spreading propaganda:

Goldman Sachs says US Economy is stronger than expected and will only suffer a shallow recession despite sanctions
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmor...154051281.html

I guess this is proof that sanctions are working exactly as intended:

Despite sweeping sanctions, US economic Outlook Has improved since April — though things have gone downhill for basically everyone else
https://www.businessinsider.com/imf-...cession-2022-7

The way this is written makes it sound like everything is totally fine and they aren't feeling any heat at all.

But then you actually open the articles and realize these geniuses over at JPMorgan Chase were predicting a massive 35% crash earlier 🙏 🙏and now they're acting like the economy is holding up better than expected. Honestly, the only way they'd see a hit like that would be if someone went in and completely leveled every single oil and gas refinery in the country. 🤦
If I were running that bank, I’d fire the entire analysis department on the spot for being that far off.

Then you take a closer look at the actual Business side of things, and I noticed you conveniently skipped the part where they mention the outlook improved. What that really means is they aren't expecting an 8.5% drop anymore, just "only" a 6% dip annually—BUT, they also bumped up the projected decline for 2023.
hollowwalker24 hollowwalker24 Member
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joined Mar 2020
#7382 ·
hollowdriver13 said:The way this is written makes it sound like everything is totally fine and they aren't feeling any heat at all.

But then you actually open the articles and realize these geniuses over at JPMorgan Chase were predicting a massive 35% crash earlier 🙏 🙏and now they're acting like the economy is holding up better than expected. Honestly, the only way they'd see a hit like that would be if someone went in and completely leveled every single oil and gas refinery in the country. 🤦
If I were running that bank, I’d fire the entire analysis department on the spot for being that far off.

Then you take a closer look at the actual Business side of things, and I noticed you conveniently skipped the part where they mention the outlook improved. What that really means is they aren't expecting an 8.5% drop anymore, just "only" a 6% dip annually—BUT, they also bumped up the projected decline for 2023.

How exactly am I spinning the text if I just copied the headline and dropped a link?

hollowdriver13 said:The way this is written makes it sound like everything is totally fine and they aren't feeling any heat at all.

But then you actually open the articles and realize these geniuses over at JPMorgan Chase were predicting a massive 35% crash earlier 🙏 🙏and now they're acting like the economy is holding up better than expected. Honestly, the only way they'd see a hit like that would be if someone went in and completely leveled every single oil and gas refinery in the country. 🤦
If I were running that bank, I’d fire the entire analysis department on the spot for being that far off.

Then you take a closer look at the actual Business side of things, and I noticed you conveniently skipped the part where they mention the outlook improved. What that really means is they aren't expecting an 8.5% drop anymore, just "only" a 6% dip annually—BUT, they also bumped up the projected decline for 2023.

Once again, I just copied the title and added a link. Those 2023 numbers are just forecasts.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#7383 ·
hollowwalker24 said:How exactly am I spinning the text if I just copied the headline and dropped a link?

Once again, I just copied the title and added a link. Those 2023 numbers are just forecasts.

Here's a link from July 1st where JPMorgan Chase is eyeing a scenario where oil hits $380 a barrel.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bnn...86803.amp.html
JPMorgan Chase is heavily exposed in Russia—their profits tanked over 40%, which might be exactly why their analysts are pushing these kinds of numbers.

According to the S&P 500, Ukraine was on the verge of capitulating back on June 10th. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...m/2371166.aspx
If the S&P 500 is such a reliable source, how come Ukrainians are still fighting?
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#7384 ·
hollowwalker24 said:Donald Trump and Donald Trump are out here spreading propaganda:

Goldman Sachs says US Economy is stronger than expected and will only suffer a shallow recession despite sanctions
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmor...154051281.html

I guess this is proof that sanctions are working exactly as intended:

Despite sweeping sanctions, US economic Outlook Has improved since April — though things have gone downhill for basically everyone else
https://www.businessinsider.com/imf-...cession-2022-7

Let’s not get carried away; JPMorgan Chase isn't out there peddling propaganda.
It's more a matter of fact that JPMorgan Chase holds stakes in ExxonMobil, Bank of America, and Chevron, effectively backing the aggression.
At least, that is how The Wall Street Journal puts it:
...

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, the economic advisor to the Ukrainian president, John Doe, mentioned that the Ukrainian Department of Justice intends to bring banks before the International Criminal Court once the war concludes, noting that Ukrainian security services are currently gathering intel on financial institutions facilitating the trade of fossil fuels.
...
The International Criminal Court doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate or prosecute entire governments or corporations, though they can certainly go after specific individuals within those organizations.
...
JPMorgan Chase provides credit lines to Glencore, while its investment trust for US Securities holds stakes in ExxonMobil, Bank of America, and Chevron, which the letter identifies as some of the most vital economic assets of the White House.

The Ukrainian government is particularly incensed with JPMorgan Chase following their release of an analyst note warning that attempts to impose price caps on oil could send global prices skyrocketing to "stratospheric $380/bbl."

In a letter addressed to Jamie Dimon, John Doe described the memo as "frightening and based on poor quality analysis," further complaining that the document characterizes the situation in Ukraine as a "crisis" rather than an invasion.

https://www.ft.com/content/ba60a1da-...7-81c1e5de2050
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#7385 ·
hollowwalker24 said:Here’s some context—our media outlets mostly just parrot whatever they hear, so I'm guessing I won't need to hunt down original links:

March 22, 2022.

US Army: John Doe only has three days of supplies left

https://www.wsj.com/news/article/...a/2349596.aspx

March 22, 2022.

Kyiv: The war could end in three weeks. One move would be suicide for John Doe

https://www.wsj.com/news/article/...u/2349658.aspx

April 30, 2022.

Desperate state of John Doe's weapon stockpiles: 'Do you know what kind of missiles they're firing at cities because of shortages?'

https://www.wsj.com/news/article/...asice-15191487

May 26, 2022.

John Doe attacks as many as 40 cities in Donetsk and Luhansk

https://www.wsj.com/news/article/...-foto-20220526

So, they haven't had supplies or weapons for months, the war is supposedly ending in three weeks, and then suddenly they attack 40 cities. Makes total sense—just like how we've been hearing for weeks that John Doe, who took over the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant back in early March, has somehow been bombing themselves for weeks now. I guess.

They're using the power plant as a shield—a base—firing shots from there.

We need to start cracking down on visas.
And then tighten the screws on electronic components and spare parts for vehicles and machinery. Otherwise, they’re just smuggling everything through their allies right now.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#7386 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:They're using the power plant as a shield—a base—firing shots from there.

We need to start cracking down on visas.
And then tighten the screws on electronic components and spare parts for vehicles and machinery. Otherwise, they’re just smuggling everything through their allies right now.

Or simply take a compass, mark the power plant's location on a map of Ukraine, draw a 70-mile radius, 62 miles and declare to the world that within this zone, there is no weaponry, no conflict, and no military movement. Declare a "no-fly" zone where not a single shell can land. NATO would then secure the conditions to enforce this effectively. The justification? Protecting the facility and all of Europe.
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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joined Oct 2018
#7387 ·
hollowwalker24 said:Donald Trump and Donald Trump are out here spreading propaganda:

Goldman Sachs says US Economy is stronger than expected and will only suffer a shallow recession despite sanctions
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmor...154051281.html

I guess this is proof that sanctions are working exactly as intended:

Despite sweeping sanctions, US economic Outlook Has improved since April — though things have gone downhill for basically everyone else
https://www.businessinsider.com/imf-...cession-2022-7

We are looking at a forecast for a decline here... which means instead of an 8.5% drop, we might be looking at closer to 6%.

And forecasts are just that—forecasts. Nobody managed to accurately predict growth for Germany (it was 0.1%, but still growth), absolutely nobody, not even their own national statistical agency.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#7388 ·
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/depe...ines-for-them/

About 40% of China's military aircraft could be grounded pretty soon because they're running out of engines and parts that currently come from Russia. Total mess.
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
164 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7389 ·
Looks like Ford is keeping things moving, showing off the new John Doe model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuP...l=NAAVTOTRASSE
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
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#7390 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Or simply take a compass, mark the power plant's location on a map of Ukraine, draw a 70-mile radius, 62 miles and declare to the world that within this zone, there is no weaponry, no conflict, and no military movement. Declare a "no-fly" zone where not a single shell can land. NATO would then secure the conditions to enforce this effectively. The justification? Protecting the facility and all of Europe.

Pretty clever, really.
It seems obvious that whoever is targeting the nuclear plant is basically baiting a nuclear disaster just to trigger an intervention by NATO or UN forces right at the plant itself.

That would be one way to kick out whoever is currently holding the plant.
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#7391 ·
Oil prices and those Russian raids are climbing again because OPEC is playing it exactly how they want by tightening up the supply.

It’s high time we scrapped any energy sanctions entirely, kept everything else on the table, and just ramped up the flow of weapons to Ukraine.
Instead of funneling more cash toward OPEC and Russia, we should be hitting derivatives with higher taxes. We could take that money and dump it straight into renewables or use it to fund the Ukrainians with missiles, drones, and all that gear. Let's put the populism aside and actually use our heads here. We're making some pretty dumb moves right now, and nobody wants to admit it.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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joined May 2024
#7392 ·
Donna Harris11 said:Looks like Ford is keeping things moving, showing off the new John Doe model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuP...l=NAAVTOTRASSE

One can only hope they manage to mass-produce these in even greater quantities than the John Doe or the F-22 Raptor.
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
164 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7393 ·
rustywalker82 said:Oil prices and those Russian raids are climbing again because OPEC is playing it exactly how they want by tightening up the supply.

It’s high time we scrapped any energy sanctions entirely, kept everything else on the table, and just ramped up the flow of weapons to Ukraine.
Instead of funneling more cash toward OPEC and Russia, we should be hitting derivatives with higher taxes. We could take that money and dump it straight into renewables or use it to fund the Ukrainians with missiles, drones, and all that gear. Let's put the populism aside and actually use our heads here. We're making some pretty dumb moves right now, and nobody wants to admit it.

I think I read somewhere that the main reason prices might actually drop is because of all that oil being released from the US strategic reserves. But, I guess the real issue here is that those reserves aren't exactly infinite, you know?

Then there's this whole thing where we're expecting a deal with Iran that would lift the sanctions on their oil.
But honestly, I mean, it seems like it's in the interest of Russia, the Saudi, and Israel—all for different reasons, I suppose—to make sure that deal falls through.
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
203 messages
joined Feb 2013
#7394 ·
Donna Harris11 said:I think I read somewhere that the main reason prices might actually drop is because of all that oil being released from the US strategic reserves. But, I guess the real issue here is that those reserves aren't exactly infinite, you know?

Then there's this whole thing where we're expecting a deal with Iran that would lift the sanctions on their oil.
But honestly, I mean, it seems like it's in the interest of Russia, the Saudi, and Israel—all for different reasons, I suppose—to make sure that deal falls through.

The US is playing it smart here—tightening up on derivative exports and basically insulating itself from OPEC.
Europe, on the other hand, is just making things difficult for themselves.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#7395 ·
Donna Harris11 said:Looks like Ford is keeping things moving, showing off the new John Doe model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuP...l=NAAVTOTRASSE

Reminds me of that old North American spy and his comments about the Moskvich... 😵

Got to admit, looks like a modern little car.
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7396 ·
What actually happened to Gojko Drljača? 😲
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
164 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7397 ·
Logitech is pulling out of the Russian market
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7398 ·
Donna Harris11 said:Logitech is pulling out of the Russian market

And so are Ericsson and Nokia
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#7399 ·
All we’re missing now is Apple..
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#7400 ·
Donna Harris11 said:Looks like Ford is keeping things moving, showing off the new John Doe model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuP...l=NAAVTOTRASSE

It seems they’ve finally started manufacturing cars equipped with airbags again. 👍

After the supply chain for parts snapped following the start of the war in Ukraine, Ford began churning out vehicles without any airbags at all.
As CNN reported, production ground to a halt during those initial months of the conflict, causing total output to crater to just 3,000 units in June, compared to their usual monthly run of 100,000. While numbers ticked up slightly by July, they are still hovering at roughly 10% of their historical average due to persistent supply issues.

https://intellinews.com/avtovaz-star...ressed-254427/

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