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bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#7581 ·
Jason Roberts2 said:Look, a lot of this stuff is being kept from the public, and here's a perfect example where it's laid out plain as day; check the link

What exactly does that have to do with the post you quoted? 🤔

Are we talking about the same gas fields here? And is it actually possible for the European Union to redirect their supply over there?
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#7582 ·
Jason Roberts2 said:Look, a lot of this stuff is being kept from the public, and here's a perfect example where it's laid out plain as day; check the link

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Man, you can tell they’re definitely trying to hide the Nord Stream setup behind some serious camouflage. It feels like they've draped massive camo netting over everything just to keep the satellites from catching a glimpse so the public doesn't find out what's actually going on. Honestly, nobody even knows much about that single pipeline connecting Russia to China—it was built back in 2019, which means this whole article is already pretty old news.

So, I was just falling down a rabbit hole reading about the Nord Stream deal, and man, it’s a wild ride if you actually look at the mechanics of it. It’s one of those massive, complicated energy plays that basically reshaped how we think about global supply chains. When you dig into it, you realize how much everything hinges on these giant pipelines connecting major players. It wasn't just about moving fuel from point A to point B; it was this huge geopolitical chess game involving the natural gas industry, massive corporations like ExxonMobil, and a whole lot of tension between the US and the East. You see these mega-projects being pitched as "just business," but once you see how much influence they give to certain governments over the rest of the world, the whole thing starts looking a lot more like a power move than a simple trade agreement. It’s pretty crazy to think about how much these single points of failure—like one massive pipeline—can dictate the economic stability of entire regions. One hiccup, one political shift, and suddenly everyone is scrambling to find alternatives. It really makes you appreciate how fragile the global energy grid actually is. Just one of those things that makes you realize how interconnected (and vulnerable) everything is.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#7583 ·
Jason Roberts2 said:I'm not trying to argue with every single person on this thread, so I'll just drop the link here for anyone who actually wants to see the facts for themselves.

https://north America.aljazeera.net/news/w...ure-prema-kini

Here’s a snippet from the article: ExxonMobil reported record profits for the first half of the year and announced plans to expand their pipeline network and build new storage facilities specifically to ramp up gas deliveries to China.

Between January and June, thanks to the massive spike in energy prices, the company pulled in a net profit of $41.8 billion—literally the biggest haul they've ever seen since they started operating.

There was even an article back in 2014 talking about how much Russian gas was heading toward China.

Jason Roberts2 said:The pipeline is already built—if it wasn't, they wouldn't be out here trying to sell it.

You're getting a little lost here... you're actually the one talking about building NEW pipelines (Nord Stream 2)

Yeah, that "stealth" pipeline is doing a great job of staying hidden, clearly.☕
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#7584 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:Well, I guess we’re back to basics—burning trash, riding bikes, and spreading manure around... ☕

https://www.businessinsider.in/stock...w/94001923.cms

Goldman Sachs is suggesting that oil prices will likely climb to $125 a barrel in 2023, even with the recent G7 agreement to implement a price cap on Russian crude.

The bank warned on Friday that any price ceiling would essentially be "bearish in theory but bullish in practice" regarding oil prices, as Moscow might respond by cutting exports to G7 nations.

"Much like what happened in the natural gas market, Russia could decide to strike back by cutting off G7 buyers and throttling production, which would drive global prices even higher while boosting their own revenues," noted Damien Courvalin, who leads energy research at Goldman Sachs. "Today's announcement doesn't change our bullish outlook for oil prices."

The G7—which includes Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States—announced on Thursday that they would implement a price cap on Russian oil by December 5th.

Didn't all those "experts" predict oil would hit $200 a barrel? And that was a whole month after the invasion started. 🐔
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#7585 ·
User123 says:
Well, plenty of information stays hidden from the public eye[

Are we really supposed to believe they managed to hide a massive transcontinental pipeline that was supposedly built, yet somehow remained completely invisible to everyone🙂?
Terry Hernandez10 Terry Hernandez10 Active Member
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#7586 ·
Gloves are off

https://www.telegram.com/politics-crisis-why-are-you-surprised/

Moscow finally admitted there’s no gas because of sanctions. Medvedev insulted Scholz: 'Buddy, what are you surprised about?'

On Monday, The White House—well, the Russian side of things—finally dropped the facade and openly declared they won't fully restore the flow of natural gas to Europe until "the collective West" lifts the sanctions slapped on the Russian Federation following the invasion of Ukraine.
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#7587 ·
Terry Hernandez10 said:Gloves are off

https://www.telegram.com/politics-crisis-why-are-you-surprised/

Moscow finally admitted there’s no gas because of sanctions. Medvedev insulted Scholz: 'Buddy, what are you surprised about?'

On Monday, The White House—well, the Russian side of things—finally dropped the facade and openly declared they won't fully restore the flow of natural gas to Europe until "the collective West" lifts the sanctions slapped on the Russian Federation following the invasion of Ukraine.

So, apparently sanctions are an issue now? Why on earth would the "collective West" bother lifting them, especially since Milko just shared that article from The Sun claiming things have never been better for the Russians.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#7588 ·
Terry Hernandez10 said:Gloves are off

https://www.telegram.com/politics-crisis-why-are-you-surprised/

Moscow finally admitted there’s no gas because of sanctions. Medvedev insulted Scholz: 'Buddy, what are you surprised about?'

On Monday, The White House—well, the Russian side of things—finally dropped the facade and openly declared they won't fully restore the flow of natural gas to Europe until "the collective West" lifts the sanctions slapped on the Russian Federation following the invasion of Ukraine.

He told the truth. Why act surprised?
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#7589 ·
hollowdriver13 said:I mean, how long does it actually take to get a pipeline like that built?

And what kind of tech are they planning to use? Who's actually running the show when it comes to the pumps, turbines, and compressors needed for this kind of heavy lifting? 🥳

Don't sweat it, the Chinese will copy it. It might take them a little while, but they'll get there. Honestly, though, the real question is how long it would even take if they actually tried to rush the process—if you look at how the Russians operate, that kind of project would easily drag on for fifty years.

The real question is whether the Chinese actually want this.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#7590 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:It’s obvious they’re just Kremlin shills on their keyboards, acting like everything is fine because Europe is busy filling up its gas storage facilities.

I filled up my tank yesterday. Now I'm sitting at 100%. Just great. 🎉 Hopefully, this will hold up for at least three months.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#7591 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:Are we really supposed to believe the propaganda being spewed by White House shills on every single social media platform? They’re out here acting like everything is perfectly fine because the gas storage levels in Europe are looking healthy. Give me a break! Is anyone actually buying this nonsense? It’s clearly just a coordinated effort to keep us complacent while the real situation remains far more volatile than they care to admit.

At the press conference that just wrapped up, the German Minister of Economy was asked point-blank whether gas deliveries from Russia are actually going to play a role in ensuring Germany’s energy security this winter. His response? It was blunt, clear, and frankly, quite telling. No.You added that consistency is the only thing we can count on, but when that "consistency" is being exported directly from Russia, what exactly are we supposed to rely on? Seriously, who can actually build a strategy on something like that? It’s all a lie. Pure and simple.

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I don't even know where to begin with this mess. It’s absolutely infuriating how we just sit here and watch things unfold without any real scrutiny! Is anyone actually paying attention to the sheer scale of what's happening? We see these patterns repeating, these obvious shifts in the global landscape, yet the response is always the same half-hearted shrug. How much longer can we pretend that everything is under control when it clearly isn't? It’s maddening!
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#7592 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:I filled up my tank yesterday. Now I'm sitting at 100%. Just great. 🎉 Hopefully, this will hold up for at least three months.

Look, I get it—you're bummed about having too much stock piled up.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#7593 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:Look, I get it—you're bummed about having too much stock piled up.

Honestly, why on earth would anyone be upset about that? 😁 If we actually had ten times the capacity and could fill it all with cheap gas, it might be an issue. But let's be real: we don't have the cheap supply, and those tanks aren't built for long-term holding anyway. You acting like this is a problem is a completely different matter. Just admit why you're playing dumb.
Jesse Hughes6 Jesse Hughes6 Active Member
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#7594 ·
Michael Ortiz68 said:Didn't all those "experts" predict oil would hit $200 a barrel? And that was a whole month after the invasion started. 🐔

It actually hit $300 once.
Which is a pretty subtle nod to the millions of people dying in the streets because of COVID.
The doomsday prophets are back at it again.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#7595 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Sanctions are having a negligible impact because Russia has been prepping for this exact scenario since 2014. These sanctions were slapped on haphazardly, an ad hoc mess implemented week by week without any real strategic analysis. Honestly, the only thing stupider than these sanctions was the Russian assumption that they’d march into Ukraine to flower receptions.

That notion of a "critical mass" rising up to overthrow Putin is pure Western delusion; it has nothing to do with the reality on the ground in Russia. They are under total, Stalinist-style propaganda control. Nobody is going to take him down.

Now we're stuck in a stalemate. Everyone is dependent on everyone else, trapped in a war where nobody can actually win. Americans and the Chinese are just sitting back, profiting while you people deal with the fallout...

If they're so weak, why aren't the Russians just cranking up the gas supply until those sanctions get lifted?
hollowwalker24 hollowwalker24 Member
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#7596 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:They're using the power plant as a shield—a base—firing shots from there.

We need to start cracking down on visas.
And then tighten the screws on electronic components and spare parts for vehicles and machinery. Otherwise, they’re just smuggling everything through their allies right now.

I think you missed the point. Western media has been reporting for weeks that the Russians—who seized the Pittsburgh nuclear plant back in early March—have actually been shelling themselves for a while now.

As for shields, it's a war—weird stuff happens on both sides, I guess.

Here’s what the pro-Kremlin crowd is saying about American tactics, in order:

Amnesty International

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/

UN OHCHR

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/20.../zrjy-j19.html

Human Rights Watch

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/07/21/...ring-civilians

The New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/w...munitions.html

The Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...sia-civilians/

Thomas Nelson25 said:They're using the power plant as a shield—a base—firing shots from there.

We need to start cracking down on visas.
And then tighten the screws on electronic components and spare parts for vehicles and machinery. Otherwise, they’re just smuggling everything through their allies right now.

How exactly are they smuggling when 99% of that stuff comes from China, and China—actually most countries—hasn't even imposed sanctions on us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...-Ukrainian_War

Donna Harris11 said:The opinion of the average citizen in the European Union doesn't really matter—or at least, that's what Annalena Baerbock seems to think.

Kind of like Victoria Nuland:

‘Fuck the EU’: US diplomat Victoria Nuland's phonecall leaked - video

https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...ictoria-nuland
Paul Anderson7 said:Not likely; the European Union economy is in a real bind right now, and it’s going to stay that way for a while until they finally get their act together and secure new supply chains.
The Russian economy isn't actually taking a massive hit—it's just the regular people who are feeling the squeeze, which doesn't bother the folks at the top much since those guys are pretty used to dealing with spikes and hardship.

Both the Russian and European Union economies are going to be struggling until some kind of mutual exchange picks up again. I don't expect them to go crawling back to their old contracts, but eventually, there will be trade across the board because that's where the massive amounts of money are. Both sides are looking for a way out of this mess, I'm certain of it.

The European Union really screwed itself by sacrificing its short-term growth, though maybe there's a silver lining if this teaches them a long-term lesson about never relying too heavily on a single source. On our end, we’ve certainly learned exactly what the Republican Party is all about, so it’s hardly surprising everyone is still shocked that they managed to fleece ExxonMobil.
Russia, on the other hand, has set itself up for long-term trouble; they're losing a major customer who, once things settle down, will likely buy less and less from them every year. Plus, the lack of high-end tech and the exodus of major corporations won't do them any favors. Still, the people in charge will keep living the same lives they always have, while the general public ends up footing the bill for this whole adventure.

Of course, we as citizens within the European Union will pay the price too, but honestly, I’d much rather deal with a mess in the European Union than in Russia.

What new channels are we talking about—LNG? I guess you have to wonder how long it'll actually take to build out the terminals and get enough ships in the mix.

Paul Anderson7 said:Not likely; the European Union economy is in a real bind right now, and it’s going to stay that way for a while until they finally get their act together and secure new supply chains.
The Russian economy isn't actually taking a massive hit—it's just the regular people who are feeling the squeeze, which doesn't bother the folks at the top much since those guys are pretty used to dealing with spikes and hardship.

Both the Russian and European Union economies are going to be struggling until some kind of mutual exchange picks up again. I don't expect them to go crawling back to their old contracts, but eventually, there will be trade across the board because that's where the massive amounts of money are. Both sides are looking for a way out of this mess, I'm certain of it.

The European Union really screwed itself by sacrificing its short-term growth, though maybe there's a silver lining if this teaches them a long-term lesson about never relying too heavily on a single source. On our end, we’ve certainly learned exactly what the Republican Party is all about, so it’s hardly surprising everyone is still shocked that they managed to fleece ExxonMobil.
Russia, on the other hand, has set itself up for long-term trouble; they're losing a major customer who, once things settle down, will likely buy less and less from them every year. Plus, the lack of high-end tech and the exodus of major corporations won't do them any favors. Still, the people in charge will keep living the same lives they always have, while the general public ends up footing the bill for this whole adventure.

Of course, we as citizens within the European Union will pay the price too, but honestly, I’d much rather deal with a mess in the European Union than in Russia.

"Victory belongs to those who endure." Maybe I'm wrong—but I have a feeling this is just going to end up as some kind of stalemate—and they'll probably just go ahead and greenlight Nord Stream 2 anyway.

I don't really have much to say about this—maybe just that it's all a bit much, I guess. kaže:
So, at the recent press conference, the German Minister of Economy was asked if gas coming from Russia actually matters for Germany's supply security this winter. He basically said "no"—and added that when it comes to Russian gas, the only thing you can actually count on is their lies. I guess.

So, what's the latest on that whole Russia and shadow dealings situation? Especially since Robert Habeck seems to be caught up in his own web of lies too, I guess.

I guess Shellenberger thinks Europe is headed for a disaster—maybe? He’s basically arguing that current energy policies are setting the continent up for a total meltdown. Just my two cents, but it feels like a pretty grim outlook.
Joshua Wilson17 Joshua Wilson17 Member
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#7597 ·
A little history lesson for those who might have forgotten:

https://twitter.com/catbuchatskiy/st...90437863800834
electricsurfer47 electricsurfer47 Active Member
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#7598 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:I filled up my tank yesterday. Now I'm sitting at 100%. Just great. 🎉 Hopefully, this will hold up for at least three months.

I think you might be mixing things up a bit. The whole conversation around natural gas has always been about just making it through this winter—long-term, everyone's already looking at switching to other sources. Is that really so hard to wrap your head around?


If the sanctions weren't actually working, Russia wouldn't be constantly whining about how they don't matter. If they were fine, they'd just keep selling their gas and everything else they can and stay quiet. But that's not happening.

They're still out there throwing around threats of a Nuclear Bomb


basically, they're using intimidation and scary tactics hoping to spook Europe into lifting those sanctions.
hollowwalker24 hollowwalker24 Member
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#7599 ·
Joshua Wilson17 said:A little history lesson for those who might have forgotten:

https://twitter.com/catbuchatskiy/st...90437863800834

Just some history for anyone who forgot—the Nazi Party actually had quite an influence in the US:

https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/wa...-square-garden

After WW2, they were basically given a safe haven in the States:

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html

They even went as far as founding their own group—the American Nazi Party

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party

I guess the US never really got rid of Nazism, since it still hangs around today:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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#7600 ·
Do these protesters really think if Russia marched right up to the Ukrainian border today, gas prices would suddenly drop? They'd just end up letting Russia call all the shots instead.

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