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Eric Brown23 Eric Brown23 Member
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joined Nov 2007
#1861 ·
Alex Ruiz4 said:It’s honestly wild how much love and understanding he gets from everyone. We all bend over backward at home to accommodate him—we don't push his buttons, and we barely even complain. He actually gets along fine with us; it's not like he holds anything against us. The whole house really tries, and he’s usually quite cheerful—especially during the summer, he's almost always in good spirits. The issue is that he isn't really living in this reality. Sometimes things get heavy for him, and he falls into these deep bouts of sadness. It usually happens when the seasons shift from summer to winter, but it can happen anytime. During those episodes, he just cries and sobs, and he won't let anyone near him because he feels like we're intruding. He’s completely lost in whatever is going on inside his own head. But he doesn't lash out physically or anything like that.

I'll check out the Pfizer website. Thanks. I might reach out again if I need more info. Tell me though—if even his own family can't figure out what's wrong, is he really in bad shape?

He’s been diagnosed with schizophrenia, some specific type, though I'm not entirely sure which one. He deals with auditory hallucinations and imagines all sorts of things. My main concern is that nobody seems to be taking a specialized, proactive approach to it. No one is truly monitoring his condition. Things weren't much better in the beginning; he'd chat with a psychiatrist here and there, but nothing substantial ever came of it. Even back then, I had this nagging feeling that no one believed any real progress could be made.

I'm not even certain if his current meds are the best fit, since I'm not 100% sure if his behavior is directly tied to them. I'll tell my mom to make sure he takes them strictly on schedule. Right now, it's Risperdal and Lexapro... what's the deal with those? Are they safe? Are they considered high-quality options, or should he be looking into a third alternative? He took Haldol before, but it gave him terrible headaches. Are those among the strongest antipsychotics out there?

Also, where am I supposed to take him? He isn't acting out or losing control, so I don't think a hospital ward is the right move. Maybe some kind of specialized outpatient facility? Does something like that exist? Where would I find it?

From the way you're describing things, it sounds like things are stable for now, so just educate yourself. That way, the family can actually fight back against these changes effectively. This disease is brutal on families—it wears you down. I know Haldol; it's old school. Risperdal is a third-generation antipsychotic. Personally, I’d suggest looking into homeopathy as a supplement to the meds—it might help bring him closer to reality, provided you clear it with his doctor first. I always ask the psychiatrist before adding anything extra. I've been using homeopathy myself for four years now, and it helps immensely. I think I posted a link about it somewhere on the site; I'll send it over... especially for cases where patients are living in a totally unreal world.http://www.homeopatija.com/unutra/dol.html

http://www.homeopatija.com/
vividfalcon14 vividfalcon14 Active Member
78 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1862 ·
So, I’ve been diagnosed with schizophrenia and what feels like a severe case of OCD—I tend to repeat every single detail about a hundred times. Right now, I’m on two different medications, and honestly, things are going okay compared to how bad they used to be. Back in late 2007, when I was about 20, life was hitting me so hard that I actually attempted suicide with pills because I just couldn't take it anymore. I've always been a bit of a lone wolf, never really having a social circle or a girlfriend. Now I'm 21... and the story continues.....
Eric Brown23 Eric Brown23 Member
27 messages
joined Nov 2007
#1863 ·
vividfalcon14 said:So, I’ve been diagnosed with schizophrenia and what feels like a severe case of OCD—I tend to repeat every single detail about a hundred times. Right now, I’m on two different medications, and honestly, things are going okay compared to how bad they used to be. Back in late 2007, when I was about 20, life was hitting me so hard that I actually attempted suicide with pills because I just couldn't take it anymore. I've always been a bit of a lone wolf, never really having a social circle or a girlfriend. Now I'm 21... and the story continues.....

Suicide is the dumbest move you can make—just don't do it. There's always a way out, so talk to your people.
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
112 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1864 ·
Zelweger, the folks here gave you some solid advice before I could even chime in... I just don't get how a situation like this—no matter where you are in the States—doesn't end with someone being hospitalized. You know, under actual medical supervision with a steady, organized treatment plan, then getting discharged once the meds kick in and the symptoms start to fade.
-Usually, these kinds of cases happen because they can't stay on top of their medication schedule, or maybe they need a long-acting depot injection that lasts a month.
-Or maybe the family isn't providing the right kind of support (even if it's out of love or fear), or perhaps it’s time to find a new psychiatrist since things aren't improving.
-The fact that he's doing better in the summer just goes to show how much weather affects people... those mood shifts with the seasons are real.
-You really need to look into hospitalization immediately. I mean, how do you know the voices and delusions won't push him to do something even worse? He truly believes what he's going through is real, so he might do something huge and messy without even realizing it... just hang in there, and with the right therapy,👍 the condition should eventually subside along with the symptoms.
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#1865 ·
Alex Ruiz4 said:It’s honestly wild how much love and understanding he gets from everyone. We all bend over backward at home to accommodate him—we don't push his buttons, and we barely even complain. He actually gets along fine with us; it's not like he holds anything against us. The whole house really tries, and he’s usually quite cheerful—especially during the summer, he's almost always in good spirits. The issue is that he isn't really living in this reality. Sometimes things get heavy for him, and he falls into these deep bouts of sadness. It usually happens when the seasons shift from summer to winter, but it can happen anytime. During those episodes, he just cries and sobs, and he won't let anyone near him because he feels like we're intruding. He’s completely lost in whatever is going on inside his own head. But he doesn't lash out physically or anything like that.

I'll check out the Pfizer website. Thanks. I might reach out again if I need more info. Tell me though—if even his own family can't figure out what's wrong, is he really in bad shape?

He’s been diagnosed with schizophrenia, some specific type, though I'm not entirely sure which one. He deals with auditory hallucinations and imagines all sorts of things. My main concern is that nobody seems to be taking a specialized, proactive approach to it. No one is truly monitoring his condition. Things weren't much better in the beginning; he'd chat with a psychiatrist here and there, but nothing substantial ever came of it. Even back then, I had this nagging feeling that no one believed any real progress could be made.

I'm not even certain if his current meds are the best fit, since I'm not 100% sure if his behavior is directly tied to them. I'll tell my mom to make sure he takes them strictly on schedule. Right now, it's Risperdal and Lexapro... what's the deal with those? Are they safe? Are they considered high-quality options, or should he be looking into a third alternative? He took Haldol before, but it gave him terrible headaches. Are those among the strongest antipsychotics out there?

Also, where am I supposed to take him? He isn't acting out or losing control, so I don't think a hospital ward is the right move. Maybe some kind of specialized outpatient facility? Does something like that exist? Where would I find it?

Well, obviously there are specialized mental health facilities, like the big state hospitals or specialized clinics in cities like Philadelphia or Chicago... listen, I don't see much progress happening with just outpatient treatment. It might be better to try getting him admitted to a facility like that until his medication and therapy are properly balanced. That way he's under constant supervision and can be discharged with the most appropriate treatment and the fewest possible symptoms—since I don't know how far gone he is, the pros really need to observe him.
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
112 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1866 ·
Kenneth Price74 said:I’d suggest you spend a month in a psychiatric ward; instead, you’ll just sit there and wait to see what everyone else decides for you. 👍 ☕

I mean, let's be real... calling it an "asylum" or a "madhouse" is a bit much. Let's give these facilities a proper name—actual institutions for mental health care. We shouldn't be being inhumane about it...
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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joined Oct 2007
#1867 ·
Schizoaffective Disorder
American Psychiatric Association
DSM-5 diagnostic criteria

1. An uninterrupted period of illness during which, at some time, there is either (1) a Major Depressive Episode, (2) a Manic Episode, or (3) a Mixed Episode concurrent with symptoms that meet (4) Criterion a for Schizophrenia.

note: The major Depressive Episode must include depressed mood.

(1) Criteria for major Depressive Episode
* Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same 2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or pleasure.

Note: Do not include symptoms that are clearly due to a general medical condition, or mood-incongruent delusions or hallucinations.
1. depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). Note: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood.
2. markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either subjective account or observation made by others)
3. significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. Note: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains.
4. insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day
5. psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings of restlessness or being slowed down)
6. fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day
7. feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt about being sick)
8. diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either by subjective account or as observed by others)
9. recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide
* The symptoms do not meet criteria for a Mixed Episode
* Mixed Episode * The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social
* The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hypothyroidism).
* The symptoms are not better accounted for by Bereavement, i.e., after the loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation.

(2) Criteria for Manic Episode
* A distinct period of abnormally and persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood, lasting at least 1 week (or any duration if hospitalization is necessary).
* During the period of mood disturbance, three (or more) of the following symptoms have persisted (four if the mood is only irritable) and have been present to a significant degree:
1. inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
2. decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
3. more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
4. flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
5. distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli)
6. an uptick in goal-oriented actions (whether in social circles, professional environments, academia, or intimacy) or heightened psychomotor agitation
7. overindulgence in enjoyable pursuits that carry a high risk of negative outcomes (such as impulsive shopping binges, reckless sexual behavior, or ill-advised financial gambles)
* The presentation fails to satisfy the requirements for a Mixed Episode
* The emotional disruption is intense enough to significantly disrupt professional duties or standard social interactions and relationships, or requires inpatient care to ensure safety, or involves psychotic symptoms.
* These manifestations aren't caused by the immediate physiological impact of a substance (like recreational drugs, prescription meds, or other therapies) or an underlying medical issue (like hyperthyroidism).

(3) Criteria for Mixed Episode
* Both the requirements for a Manic Episode and a Major Depressive Episode (with the exception of timing) are fulfilled almost daily over a minimum 1-week span.
* The emotional instability is severe enough to result in major impairment to work performance or typical social life and connections, or necessitates hospital intervention to mitigate risk of harm, or presents with psychotic elements.
* The symptoms are not the direct result of a substance (e.g., illicit drugs, medications, or alternative treatments) or a systemic medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism).

(4) Criterion A of Schizophrenia
* At least two of the following must be evident for most of a 1-month period (unless effectively managed):
o delusions
o hallucinations
o disorganized speech (for instance, constant loss of focus or lack of coherence)
o highly disorganized or catatonic conduct
o negative symptoms, such as diminished emotional expression, poverty of speech, or lack of motivation
* Just one symptom suffices if the delusions are irrational or if hallucinations involve a voice providing a continuous commentary on the individual's actions or thoughts, or multiple voices interacting with one another.
2. Within that same timeframe of illness, delusions or hallucinations have persisted for at least 2 weeks without the presence of dominant mood symptoms.
2. Mood-related symptoms meeting established criteria are present throughout a large portion of the overall duration of both the active and residual phases of the illness.
4. The disturbance isn't a byproduct of the direct physical effects of a substance (such as narcotics or medication) or a general medical condition.

Define the subtype:

* Bipolar Type: when the disturbance encompasses a Manic or a Mixed Episode (or both a Manic/Mixed Episode alongside Major Depressive Episodes)
* Depressive Type: when the disturbance consists solely of Major Depressive Episodes

Differential Diagnosis

Psychotic Disorder stemming from a general medical condition, delirium, or dementia; Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder; Substance-Induced Delirium; Delusional Disorder; Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.
Morgan Hernandez5 Morgan Hernandez5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2008
#1868 ·
you guys ever notice how mental health issues don't really hit those average Joes? they just don't give a damn about what's going on around them. it's usually the smarter ones who struggle—people who just can't stand the sheer stupidity and injustice in the world
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
112 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1869 ·
Morgan Hernandez5 said:you guys ever notice how mental health issues don't really hit those average Joes? they just don't give a damn about what's going on around them. it's usually the smarter ones who struggle—people who just can't stand the sheer stupidity and injustice in the world

yeah, I actually heard a theory like that once too... basically saying that average people set limits on their own potential and know exactly where their boundaries are, so they stay within them... but for the smart ones, there aren't any limits, so they end up getting sick more often
-so where have you seen some total idiot capable of that, let alone going crazy?😂
-have you heard anything like that too?☕
-goodnight everyone, both those without limits and the lucid ones...-😂-😵-🙂-🙂-🙂-🙂-🙂-🙂-
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
61 messages
joined Oct 2007
#1870 ·
A recent study published in The New England Journal of Medicine indicates that marijuana use increases the risk of developing psychiatric disorders and mood swings later in life by over 40 percent. Furthermore, heavy users are twice as likely to face mental health struggles, according to warnings from Theresa Moore and Stanley Zammit at the University of Philadelphia.

The experts concluded that individuals who have used marijuana are 41 percent more likely to experience psychosis compared to those who have never used it. This risk scales with frequency; the most frequent users face double the likelihood of psychological issues.

By analyzing 35 different studies conducted over recent years, Moore and Zammit focused specifically on the link between marijuana and chronic mental illness, though they did not rule out other contributing factors to mental health.

That article was in the Los Angeles Times back in 1996. I read it and wonder if I would be healthy if I hadn't smoked weed? Honestly, I doubt it. Maybe there is a 0.5% chance.
The paradox is that I probably would have smoked that grass sooner or later anyway; at least this way, I got used to my disorder earlier.👍☕
driftingorca13 driftingorca13 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1871 ·
I dealt with some mental health struggles about two years ago, falling into a deep depression due to a few things—failing my classes, drinking too much, and so on. I spent a week stuck in bed before they eventually took me to a psychiatric facility. But honestly, the craziest part happened after that. Because of the medications I was prescribed, I started feeling way too good and became incredibly hyperactive. I found myself questioning people at my university every single day (even the professors), riding the bus around aimlessly, signing up for random elective courses I didn't need... I had this constant urge to write everything down, which I actually still keep to this day... I'll post more later because I have to run.
Morgan Hernandez5 Morgan Hernandez5 Active Member
63 messages
joined Mar 2008
#1872 ·
driftingorca13 said:I dealt with some mental health struggles about two years ago, falling into a deep depression due to a few things—failing my classes, drinking too much, and so on. I spent a week stuck in bed before they eventually took me to a psychiatric facility. But honestly, the craziest part happened after that. Because of the medications I was prescribed, I started feeling way too good and became incredibly hyperactive. I found myself questioning people at my university every single day (even the professors), riding the bus around aimlessly, signing up for random elective courses I didn't need... I had this constant urge to write everything down, which I actually still keep to this day... I'll post more later because I have to run.

Man, I really need the rest of this story... and did you even pass any exams while on those meds?
The fact that you're holding onto all those thoughts and ideas... I don't know, maybe it makes you sound like some big-shot scientist who’s gonna publish something one day, or at least something that might actually matter eventually. A bunch of geniuses acted like that...
Come on, keep writing, what happened next...
But seriously, why did you crash into depression? Why the heavy drinking? What actually pushed you there?
I guess knowing the root cause helps, because once you know what's driving it, fixing it is easier. Sadly, mental health doesn't always work that way. Honestly, most of medicine is like that. If doctors actually looked for the root causes of everything, from psychosis to pneumonia... it would be way more effective. But hey, it is what it is. We just gotta try to figure out our own stuff ourselves.
In my opinion, people who turn to booze and drugs are usually just super emotional types who probably didn't get enough love or attention growing up.
Ugh, attention. God, we're all so starved for it... it's insane.
driftingorca13 driftingorca13 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1873 ·
So, I just got back from a run through Central Park; it was actually a great workout... To give you some context on what’s been happening: as I mentioned before, I started writing everything down because my mind was racing constantly with these wild thoughts. It might have been triggered by attending a philosophy seminar at a local community center—a group a doctor recommended I join after she suggested it to me herself. Once I realized how quickly ideas would hit me, I actually ran out of paper and started scrawling notes on my bedroom walls (I eventually wiped most of it off once things settled down). Days were blurring together; it felt like I wasn't even living them, like life was just happening to me without any control. People around me were staring, acting curious, even asking if I was on drugs... I had this overwhelming sensation that the entire world revolved around me, that everyone knew something I didn't. I even felt like I was being watched. Eventually, a friend from college drove me to see a chaplain to figure out what was going on. He spent about ten minutes questioning me about substance use, and I kept insisting I wasn't on drugs, just following my prescription medication. He could tell I was okay and let me go. That friend ended up entering the seminary later, though he fell in love and moved back to study engineering at NYU after a year, but that's another story. The best way to describe my experience is John Nash in *A Beautiful Mind*. That movie captures exactly how I lived, minus the hallucinations. Anyway, I managed to finish the semester successfully thanks to a lot of support from friends and family, and I even passed that one exam that was killing me. I also started seeing a psychotherapist (which is a much better solution for people dealing with issues: a good therapist can help you feel steady without relying solely on meds), and everything returned to normal after the New Year. However, next summer, while trying to wrap up a major project for another class, the stress hit me hard and I started slipping again. I began having these delusions, like a news anchor on CNN was addressing me personally... kind of like that song "I'm Getting Slightly Mad." The breaking point was seeing a message on a random girl's T-shirt at the dermatologist's office: "I want you to be with me tonight." It made me wonder if everything over the last year was real or just in my head—if people were actually sending me these subtle romantic signals. Everything felt similar to the first time, just on a smaller scale: I wasn't writing on walls or questioning everyone, I just fell into a depression and skipped classes for a while. My family freaked out at first (since dropping out right before graduation isn't ideal), but they eventually stepped up to help, and the result was just returning to my previous treatment. As time passed, I started finding my footing again. I have a follow-up appointment with my psychiatrist next week... and I'll be starting that dance class she recommended soon...

As for the causes... from what I can gather, there were several: my sex life, which I've suppressed since childhood due to my Catholic upbringing. Also, reading the Da Vinci Code beforehand really shook the core beliefs I grew up with. But the real trigger was a night of heavy drinking on February 9th, 2006—I remember it clearly because that's when it all started. I went out with friends and we were drinking at someone's apartment. When we headed out into the city, I told them I couldn't have any more because I knew I'd lose control, but they didn't listen. I ended up leaving them in the middle of the night and sat on a bench at a bus stop, basically pouring my soul out to anyone passing by. Then an old acquaintance from elementary school walked up and said, "Man, look what you've done to yourself." I don't remember much after that; I just woke up at home the next day and stayed in bed for a week...
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
61 messages
joined Oct 2007
#1874 ·
driftingorca13 said:So, I just got back from a run through Central Park; it was actually a great workout... To give you some context on what’s been happening: as I mentioned before, I started writing everything down because my mind was racing constantly with these wild thoughts. It might have been triggered by attending a philosophy seminar at a local community center—a group a doctor recommended I join after she suggested it to me herself. Once I realized how quickly ideas would hit me, I actually ran out of paper and started scrawling notes on my bedroom walls (I eventually wiped most of it off once things settled down). Days were blurring together; it felt like I wasn't even living them, like life was just happening to me without any control. People around me were staring, acting curious, even asking if I was on drugs... I had this overwhelming sensation that the entire world revolved around me, that everyone knew something I didn't. I even felt like I was being watched. Eventually, a friend from college drove me to see a chaplain to figure out what was going on. He spent about ten minutes questioning me about substance use, and I kept insisting I wasn't on drugs, just following my prescription medication. He could tell I was okay and let me go. That friend ended up entering the seminary later, though he fell in love and moved back to study engineering at NYU after a year, but that's another story. The best way to describe my experience is John Nash in *A Beautiful Mind*. That movie captures exactly how I lived, minus the hallucinations. Anyway, I managed to finish the semester successfully thanks to a lot of support from friends and family, and I even passed that one exam that was killing me. I also started seeing a psychotherapist (which is a much better solution for people dealing with issues: a good therapist can help you feel steady without relying solely on meds), and everything returned to normal after the New Year. However, next summer, while trying to wrap up a major project for another class, the stress hit me hard and I started slipping again. I began having these delusions, like a news anchor on CNN was addressing me personally... kind of like that song "I'm Getting Slightly Mad." The breaking point was seeing a message on a random girl's T-shirt at the dermatologist's office: "I want you to be with me tonight." It made me wonder if everything over the last year was real or just in my head—if people were actually sending me these subtle romantic signals. Everything felt similar to the first time, just on a smaller scale: I wasn't writing on walls or questioning everyone, I just fell into a depression and skipped classes for a while. My family freaked out at first (since dropping out right before graduation isn't ideal), but they eventually stepped up to help, and the result was just returning to my previous treatment. As time passed, I started finding my footing again. I have a follow-up appointment with my psychiatrist next week... and I'll be starting that dance class she recommended soon...

As for the causes... from what I can gather, there were several: my sex life, which I've suppressed since childhood due to my Catholic upbringing. Also, reading the Da Vinci Code beforehand really shook the core beliefs I grew up with. But the real trigger was a night of heavy drinking on February 9th, 2006—I remember it clearly because that's when it all started. I went out with friends and we were drinking at someone's apartment. When we headed out into the city, I told them I couldn't have any more because I knew I'd lose control, but they didn't listen. I ended up leaving them in the middle of the night and sat on a bench at a bus stop, basically pouring my soul out to anyone passing by. Then an old acquaintance from elementary school walked up and said, "Man, look what you've done to yourself." I don't remember much after that; I just woke up at home the next day and stayed in bed for a week...

interesting
Austin Carter6 Austin Carter6 Newcomer
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#1875 ·
So... I think this is the schizophrenia subforum, right? If so, I guess that means I can ask whatever's on my mind regarding this topic, though I'm really hoping someone might actually have an answer for me.
How does creativity actually show up in people with schizophrenia? To be more specific... just how creative are they, really? And I mean, does the creativity stem from the schizophrenia itself, or is it maybe more like the schizophrenia comes from being a creative person?
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
112 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1876 ·
Austin Carter6 said:So... I think this is the schizophrenia subforum, right? If so, I guess that means I can ask whatever's on my mind regarding this topic, though I'm really hoping someone might actually have an answer for me.
How does creativity actually show up in people with schizophrenia? To be more specific... just how creative are they, really? And I mean, does the creativity stem from the schizophrenia itself, or is it maybe more like the schizophrenia comes from being a creative person?

with schizophrenia, anything goes when it comes to creativity... there isn't really a set order or anything tied directly to the illness. here are some other perspectives for you...☕
Morgan Hernandez5 Morgan Hernandez5 Active Member
63 messages
joined Mar 2008
#1877 ·
Austin Carter6 said:So... I think this is the schizophrenia subforum, right? If so, I guess that means I can ask whatever's on my mind regarding this topic, though I'm really hoping someone might actually have an answer for me.
How does creativity actually show up in people with schizophrenia? To be more specific... just how creative are they, really? And I mean, does the creativity stem from the schizophrenia itself, or is it maybe more like the schizophrenia comes from being a creative person?

Taoists,
aren't creative anymore. They used to be. So, it's definitely the second one.
Austin Carter6 Austin Carter6 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1878 ·
Austin Carter6 and Luiz, thanks so much for getting back to me!

Maybe I'll swing by again later? 🙂
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
61 messages
joined Oct 2007
#1879 ·
Austin Carter6 said:So... I think this is the schizophrenia subforum, right? If so, I guess that means I can ask whatever's on my mind regarding this topic, though I'm really hoping someone might actually have an answer for me.
How does creativity actually show up in people with schizophrenia? To be more specific... just how creative are they, really? And I mean, does the creativity stem from the schizophrenia itself, or is it maybe more like the schizophrenia comes from being a creative person?

I would lean toward the latter. If one lacks creativity, they simply lack it, but it is far better to be both neurotypical and creative.👍
Medical literature generally states that mental illnesses
and even schizophrenia does not impair a patient's intellect, so you decide.☕
Rachel Fox6 Rachel Fox6 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1880 ·
Looks like people are following this thread.
Since we won't have a cure for mental illness for at least another hundred years, here’s what’s broken:

At a well-known place like the Mayo Clinic, they lack:

enough doctors. They don't have the time or the bandwidth to actually do the job—it's one doctor for every 500 patients (and that doesn't even count those not currently admitted)

there aren't any day rooms in the wards, so patients just sit there like zombies. Even when you're struggling, you still feel discomfort, pain, sadness... you're still capable of realizing you're stuck in a place that sucks.

you end up pacing through these long hallways where all the patient rooms and doctor offices are lined up together.

the food is gross. It's the same thing every four days, and there's a high chance you'll just gain weight while staying there.

there's zero support for patients who are totally broke or isolated socially and mentally. Some people just don't have the strength to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

they don't have locked wards at Cleveland, which is nice I guess.
compared to somewhere like a state hospital where they lock you up, and if you want out, you basically have to break down the door.

I can't think of anything else, honestly.

And instead of actually talking to patients, they just deal with a bunch of bullshit.

The best part is getting outside and grabbing coffee with other patients if it's summer. But obviously, that's only if you have the cash.
because if nobody has come to visit you in ages, you probably don't have anyone to give you coffee money.

ugh☕☕


I've been through electroshock therapy myself. I'd be lying if I said things like Reiki, yoga, bioenergy, exercise, or therapy didn't help, but the pills are the ultimate shit. And if you actually want to get hired, don't you dare mention your diagnosis. It's capitalism now.

So, let's say schizophrenia affects 1% of the world population, and that doesn't even cover everyone struggling with mental health. That's about 65,000,000 people. Do the math yourselves.
correction

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