Posts by Noah Perez2

restlesssurfer97 said:

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Nice work, restlesssurfer97; you finally steered this ethical debate in the right direction. 😁 👍

The unchecked recklessness of the histrionics☕

Matthew Young35 said:Based on the behavior described, it’s pretty clear we’re dealing with people who have lost their grip on reality.

The situation is simple: anyone infected has to be kept under strict supervision. We can't afford to play games by just trusting people to stay home. Why take that kind of risk?
Whether we’re talking about microchipping or some high-tech bracelet, it really doesn't matter. The bottom line remains the same: we simply have to keep those who are infected under control.

And, with great optimism, let's hope that window of opportunity hasn't already vanished into thin air about 15 days ago.

Amanda Evans2 said:Let’s just sit back and wait for the ruling party's apologists to show up and try to defend this line of reasoning too

Don't let envy and jealousy toward the ruling party's popularity be what defines you, colleague. ☕

So, we have people following the rules by staying home in isolation and quarantine, while those who claim to be self-isolating—or even those with a confirmed diagnosis—just wander around freely without any oversight whatsoever?

Fantastic.☕

Matthew Young35 said:This country is absolute bottom-of-the-barrel.
And just when we think we've hit rock bottom, the government makes a concerted effort to sink even deeper.

It’s a shame we didn't stay part of America; I am certain the leadership there would have handled these mounting current issues much more effectively.☕

urbanhawk17 said:I guess I'm looking at,

Capak is watching you☕

I was told that back when the mumps epidemic broke out in 1972, the quarantine zone for the Split area was centered around Klis-Grl, where sheep graze today, simply because that served as the only northern entrance to the city at the time. I have no idea why they decided to implement such an unintelligent blockade at the Walmart roundabout today. As far as I could tell this morning, there was nothing on the way toward Stobreč, yet people on the radio were claiming there were four checkpoints heading toward Trogir.

They could have efficiently blocked the highway at the top of Klis, forcing those unable to enter the zone to divert via the roundabout toward Dugopolj and vice versa; cutting off the entire conglomerate like this is frankly ridiculous.

restlesssurfer97 said:Check out what this guy has to say about all of this:

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If some philosophy is more complex than the whole Messi vs Ronaldo debate, I am certainly not reading it this afternoon.☕

Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

I harbor no delusions regarding whether you seek my input or if you all intend to; rather, I am simply using a direct reality check to shatter your illusion that you have any authority to decide what can or cannot be challenged within your own posts.☕

Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

Under the premise of democracy—and I would venture to say Western civilization itself—the protection of the individual and a humanistic approach should be the absolute priority.
If I am merely an "emotional wreck," then by that logic, every major government in the world operates under the exact same flawed reasoning.

Or is it just a special agenda in America to force the economy onto its knees? From what I see in Europe, things are moving along fine, tourism is thriving, and so on.

The idea of allowing a few thousand people to perish via natural selection does not align with liberal democracies; that is the hallmark of totalitarian agendas that utilize eugenics to eliminate the "unfit" or employ various cultural revolutions to manage population surpluses. In this instance, they aren't using brute force, but rather the spread of a pandemic.

If you weren't busy taking sides with specific moderators in their battles against dissenting users, you would have been banned from this forum long ago for a post like that.

And feel free to keep singing your songs about communism and commissar decrees that supposedly dictate our basic freedoms.☕

Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

What nonsense. This talk of five or six months is absurd. The lockdowns in China yielded results much sooner, and they will yield results wherever they are implemented. In my opinion, because of certain fools, the measures are becoming increasingly stringent; currently, they are excessive simply because of people like that.

Clearly, you consider yourself some sort of economic expert. It is as if we were living in the 19th century and everything was destined to collapse.

Boris Johnson was once a major proponent of herd immunity, yet he abandoned that stance overnight and imposed even stricter restrictions than we have here.
And what does he know? Some idiot standing on a street corner claims you can just walk around freely and that doing so will somehow make the nation immune to this previously unknown virus.

Besides, if you are actually employed, obtaining a pass should be a seamless process. I fail to see the basis for complaining about these procedures. 👍

Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

By all means, choose your battles, but you won't do so at the expense of the community. As another gentleman so eloquently explained, everyone wants to enjoy their rights, but the moment social obligations arise, the whining begins.

Paul Sanders5 said:😉

Look, man, just go at them with the heavy artillery—don't take it out on the rest of us. It’s pretty damn obvious to me that our government bureaucracy is way too incompetent to actually pull something like this off. They just rolled out these new permits that are being handled at the local county level, and honestly? Half the people running the show don't even know who's issuing them, and the other half have no clue what the actual restrictions are. Everyone who asks for one is gonna get one, because let’s be real—if someone is actually bothering to ask, they clearly need it. Whether they’re commuting to work in a different city or just heading out to a farm upstate to feed the chickens, nobody's stopping them. 😁

Absolutely. That is precisely why I maintain there were fundamental errors caused by a lack of decisiveness during the initial stages.

Unfortunately, once again, democracy proves itself to be unsuitable for everyone. It is evident that every society contains a certain percentage of irresponsible idiots who must be restrained by force to prevent them from damaging the collective good.

Kyle Lopez2 said:So, Rudan says. The latest report on how movement affects recovery is actually pretty interesting. It turns out that staying active can make a significant difference when you're dealing with certain health issues. A study recently published in the journal Nature suggests that physical activity isn't just good for general fitness, but it plays a specific role in how our bodies manage recovery processes. It’s one of those things we all know intuitively, but seeing the actual data backed up by researchers adds a whole new layer of credibility to the idea. Honestly, I've always felt like moving around helped my mood and energy levels, so it's nice to see science catching up with common sense.

Based on the initial 140,000 tests, the mortality rate among those infected within the community is sitting at around 0.6%, which basically works out to one in two hundred.

Based on those two key pieces of data regarding COVID-19—specifically that it might only lead to one death per 200 infections within a community, and that among those hospitalized, the mortality rate sits between one in 50 and one in 100—epidemiologists have finally started to breathe a sigh of relief. It doesn't seem like anyone is feeling the need to... We're talking about an incredibly dangerous disease here.

So, the thing is, this Corona virus isn't primarily killing people just because it's a case of COVID-19. It’s been medically quite a struggle. For most of those who fell ill, Mainly because it’s spreading among people at such a frantic, crazy pace.The way this Corona virus spreads is honestly pretty intense; it ramps up the number of sick people incredibly fast, and about 5% of those cases end up being really severe.

If we could actually get everyone the right kind of care exactly when they needed it, we’d probably be able to save almost all of those who fell seriously ill.

That’s why almost all of the severe cases are going to end up being fatal. That's essentially how this virus is claiming so many lives over in Italy right now. We could be looking at tens of thousands of people facing severe symptoms, leaving us completely unable to provide the intensive care or ventilators they'll desperately need.

...The average age of the first 827 people who passed away in Italy was 81 years old. It feels like it’s more than just that. Two-thirds of them were dealing with diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, or had a history of smoking.So, those were basically the same people who would probably... People have actually passed away from the flu when they didn't get vaccinated.

If you try to tackle something this "insane" by just doing a month of quarantine, you won't fix it permanently. If we were all infectious for just one week, we could probably wipe out the virus without any issues.

The whole reason they push quarantine is because they're terrified that if we don't follow the rules, our healthcare workers won't just be managing a few dozen or a few hundred severe cases—which the system can actually handle—but rather several thousand at once, which would completely break it."

From what I can gather, if there are 200 infected, maybe 10 are severe cases who will die without proper care. That said, there’s no info on the average age of those infected, which is a pretty vital metric for figuring out how much of the population is actually at risk.

All I know is that Rudan is threatening us with thousands of deaths. Personally, I'm not buying it. I'm not willing to pay that price just so Commissioner Božinović and the media outlets sucking up to him can have their way. A standard quarantine is fine, and isolating the sick makes sense, but shutting down travel between cities? That's just not right.

To be honest, I have no clue what their actual plan is. Are they planning to drag this state of emergency out for six or seven months until summer, or is the goal to allow for a steady, linear spread through the population to build up immunity?

Precisely. Because surely, people like you will be the ones consulted regarding which restrictions are implemented and what you choose to tolerate.
A few thousand casualties are nothing; they're just numbers on a spreadsheet.

It is fascinating how, in every single retention period, that standard percentage of sociopaths and psychopaths present in any society—even the most modern one—always manages to surface.

There is no need to comment on the rest of the post; it appears our benevolent user Ster has already handed out a few decent slaps.☕

In my opinion, Bozinovic and the enforcement agencies should have taken much more decisive action at the very beginning. When people arriving from abroad were ordered into self-isolation, the general sentiment seemed to be that it was some sort of joke—just another bureaucratic nuisance. Most citizens—and I won't generalize too broadly since there are plenty of smart people out there—didn't even grasp the gravity of what "self-isolation" actually entails. Not to mention the sheer irresponsibility shown by certain individuals.

It was only after several days, once it became obvious that the mandate was being flagrantly ignored—with those who were supposed to be isolating instead wandering through pharmacies, playing bingo, or hosting neighborhood parties—that the authorities finally adopted a firmer tone. They started using GPS tracking, integrating pharmacy software data, and conducting door-to-door checks. Had they been more aggressive from the jump, we might not be facing this surge in local transmission right now.

Now, because of these new restrictions, everyone is going to suffer—especially the majority who have been following the rules diligently until now.

Furthermore, the decision to limit store hours to 8 AM–5 PM is poorly conceived. It either triggers unnecessary panic or just forces everyone to scramble. Instead of smoothing things out, you end up with a crowd of frustrated people hitting the stores at 8 AM for their basic groceries, creating nothing but massive lines and congestion.

Michelle Palmer6 said:This is mostly based on isolated anecdotes and tiny, statistically insignificant studies.
Chloroquine actually showed some potential, but the second there was even a hint that it might help, it was wiped off the shelves of basically every pharmacy in the country!

Fine. At this stage, any ad-hoc study is somewhat realistic because the virus is new; nothing can truly be considered representative yet. The priority is simply moving toward any solution, even if it only addresses symptoms.

I am also skeptical about the idea of a universal vaccine. It seems to me there are far too many circulating strains varying in both aggressiveness and virulence, to say nothing of the potential for further mutations.

Chloroquine is essentially an antimalarial. If I recall correctly, it is quite inexpensive and widely available, so that shouldn't be an issue. As for Tylenol, I have no idea what the supply situation looks like.

Anthony Jackson2 said:Actually, 14 days is just the incubation period—it's not how long the virus sits in your body. For milder cases, treatment lasts about three weeks, and even then, you'll still have the virus in your nose. We're talking closer to six weeks of presence for patients with light symptoms.

And then you try to talk about arguments when you don't even know the basic facts.🤦

It likely varies by case. Fourteen days is the upper limit of the incubation period—though some claim it can reach 25 under ideal circumstances, whereas the average is probably five to seven—and it takes approximately three weeks for the body to fight off the virus once infected.

The first recovered patients in America (most likely those from the Champions League match) were infected around February 20th and were declared negative after two tests last week. That means they went from initial infection to a confirmed negative result in about 25 days, give or take.

That is quite a significant duration when compared to known influenza strains or standard viruses.

Trumpinho claims that combining a malaria medication with Tylenol reduces symptom severity and shortens the virus's presence in the body to just six or seven days.

One more thing. Stay safe out there, everyone.

Deploying the military was a sound decision, both for the actual recovery efforts and for the psychological impact it provides.

Fourteen days won't cut it; we're looking at at least a month of total lockdown before things settle. It took drastic measures from the Chinese government to actually see results, and even then, they only stopped seeing local cases once they strictly controlled travelers entering the country.

I happened to stumble upon an article on a news site detailing the timeline, written by a journalist who has been tracking every update since this all broke...

Look at the gaps in logic here. The first case was identified on December 8, yet on January 24—meaning a full month and a half later—those bureaucrats at WHO were still claiming,

In an attempt to walk back their previous statements, they claimed on January 23 that it was premature to declare an "international public health emergency" and advised against any restrictions, including the closure of businesses or limiting travel between China and Europe.

Naturally, while those bat-eating types spread through both China and the rest of the world during the Lunar New Year...

They aren't closing their borders or stopping Chinese citizens from traveling to Europe because the decision-makers are still operating under the delusion that everything is perfectly fine. Besides, who dares criticize the Chinese when they've become such a massive global economic powerhouse?

The best evidence of how paralyzed the authorities are is that the governor of Lombardy had already requested that the national government in Rome shut down Lombardy, but the higher-ups refused to allow it.

To put it bluntly, it wasn't the people in Lombardy who were being naive; rather, it was the inert bureaucracy in power, prioritizing globalization and maintaining a "don't rock the boat" mentality over actual safety.
For an entire month, the virus was comfortably establishing its reservoir, likely heading toward a peak right around the Champions League finals.

Forget it, you can't even track the movement anymore.

To resolve this quickly, nothing short of rigorous—essentially drastic—measures will yield immediate results. One has to admit that authoritarianism occasionally has its merits; in extraordinary circumstances like these, rigid repression is actually desirable.

On the other hand, there was the blatant cover-up and minimization regarding the virus's origins at the very start, even though the situation might have been kept under local control within the initial outbreak zone. They'd rather suffer in silence than say anything that might call the establishment into question—it’s the exact same pattern we saw with Chernobyl, followed by a sudden escalation once the catastrophe turns into a global disaster.

Moronic bat-eaters 🕺

ruggedjackal46 said:What I'm getting at is that it’s better to actually keep an eye on potentially infected people rather than just slapping a ban on flights from China and assuming the problem is solved. Besides, a lot of Italians were coming back from China back then because, let's be honest, they just wanted to get home—and their own government couldn't exactly pretend they weren't part of the equation.

And that is precisely why you find yourself two weeks later—maybe even less—forced to implement exactly those kinds of restrictions, only now they're much more draconian.

ruggedjackal46 said:Italy was the first to ban flights from China, but the whole thing backfired because travelers just started rerouting through other countries to get into Italy, making them even harder to track and monitor.

They might have been the first, but there were direct Milan-Wuhan flights running quite normally for a significant period, even while drastic measures were already being enforced in China.

In our neck of the woods, that group from Wuhan hit the border; apparently, they were screened in Milan, and things had already escalated by the time they reached us. Granted, those specific individuals might not have been infected, but it’s inevitable that others who actually were traveled the exact same route.

Later, that damn virus spread, hitting the European Union hard and creating secondary outbreaks everywhere. Even here, the "most likely" first cases came from Milan, potentially via contacts from the Atalanta vs Valencia match. Those later cases were being brought in from places like Austria, Germany, and so on.

Paul Sanders5 said:Fine, I've got a better idea. I'll just reach out and ask them to infect me on purpose. There are millions of us—between 20 and 40 years old, totally healthy, no chronic issues—so why don't we just speed up the spread? If the plan is just waiting for everyone to get it anyway, let's get on with it.

This is what happens when we just sit around waiting instead of actually doing something.

So, where are you, Boris Johnson? ☕

The Italians, and by extension the entire European Union, have made a massive blunder by failing to halt direct flights from China—specifically from Wuhan. While footage of the Wuhan quarantine circulated globally, those "brilliant" bureaucratic leaders were busy reciting platitudes about the vital necessity of free movement and the "massive" impact such restrictions would have on the global economy. Now that they are at least two weeks late in implementing adequate measures, the sheer stupidity of that decision and its economic fallout are finally becoming apparent.

Furthermore, these claims that all passengers are being screened with thermal cameras at terminals are nothing more than nonsense.

The Chinese are handling their business with a certain level of intensity, and frankly, the measures are extreme. No one goes outside without a mask, and only those absolutely essential for maintaining order and supply chains are permitted out. Public transit is non-existent; only small shops and pharmacies remain open. If anyone complains or fails to comply with the regulations, they deal with the consequences via a baton. There is no such thing as a simple sanitary self-isolation period where someone can just wander through the whole town; you follow the rules or you face the repercussions.

While things are still relatively manageable here, and despite our challenges, we aren't quite as globally interconnected as places like Italy or China. For now, everything remains somewhat under control. Let’s hope it stays that way.