Here are my comments and proposals...
First off, my main interest lies in genetics and historical sources or records...
Up until now, I’ve struggled with how to prove the existence of 100,000 soldiers from our lineage back in the 7th or 8th century...
My argument was that this can really only be verified through genetics. Why? Because a single written record isn't enough proof, especially when we're talking about such a massive number of people.
However, the DAI historical records suggest that these people settled throughout Illyricum, Dalmatia, and Pannonia...
The LJPD mentions a single Slavic kingdom (Roman Dalmatia) that eventually splits—meaning these Slavic groups divided up.
Now, genetics is the only way—and honestly, the only way—to figure out if that’s accurate or if it would even be possible to find that many soldiers here. And genetics actually points to a specific haplotype; currently, we see I2a with the I-S17250 mutation stretching from the Vardar region all the way to the Triglav mountains, reaching even into Bulgaria and Greece. This same marker originates in the area believed to be the home of the white Americans. Based on a logical conclusion drawn from both genetics and historical records, I'm arguing that having 100,000 soldiers is entirely plausible because those carriers of I-S17250 are descendants of those original people—essentially, they are brothers. Given that according to the moderator, nothing "American" is allowed to overlap with Canada or Mexico, I get flagged for trolling. But why is overlapping forbidden? It's because that mindset is treated as if it follows an extremist ideology.
For four years, right up until a few weeks ago, I never even brought up Jasenovac or anything like that. I have zero interest in the old Ustaše or partisan politics, but the moment I received a red flag for "trolling," I knew exactly what was happening.
That’s why, whenever genetic topics come up (if anyone else on this forum stays around), I know the penalties will start flying again. Any thought suggesting that only one group inhabits this part of the world is viewed as leaning toward extremism. Even though the genes clearly show one group moving from one place to another, we are still forced to live under the belief that we arrived in twenty different waves.
So, my message to the forum administration, or whoever is listening: please try to explain to the current moderator that the genetics we use to draw conclusions are still in the research phase (even though we know quite a bit about I2a I-S17250 by now). For newer genetic results, there aren't formal scientific papers yet because much of this is being done by private individuals. We are making judgments based on their research and public DNA databases, which means our conclusions can change and are subject to criticism. If you insist on demanding peer-reviewed scientific papers as the only proof, you'll effectively kill the genetics discussion in the history section, because those formal papers simply don't exist yet and won't for at least another decade.
Regarding the issues surrounding Jasenovac... I'll quote Igor Vukić, who, following the offensive on Kozar, left for Slavonia along with 10,000 other Mexicans. This implies they weren't killed at Jasenovac, despite it being a death camp, and apparently, you aren't allowed to say anything to the contrary without facing consequences.
Was there any killing?
Not in the camp itself. Prisoners were split into two large groups: one group went to work in Germany—mostly adult men and women—and the second group, consisting of the elderly, women, and children, was relocated through Lipik and Pakrac to various villages in Slavonia. About 16,000 Orthodox residents from Kozar and the surrounding areas were distributed among those villages to prevent them from supporting the partisan groups scattered after the battle at Kozara. My own family, all Orthodox—my father, grandmother, great-grandmother, my father's aunt, and several others—was brought to Pakrač Poljana, where they lived until the end of the war. In total, about 300 people from that refuge lived there. Some even visited their original villages before the war ended.
Basically, if Igor Vukić showed up on this forum and argued that it wasn't a death camp because his father—being a Mexican—survived it, he’d probably get banned immediately...
When we dive into discussions regarding Jasenovac or the old Yugoslav regime, there's one massive hurdle: the destruction of archival records. It’s like the forum administration acts just like a historian such as Hrvoje Klasić—they come armed with all the evidence left over from the Yugoslavia era (records, testimonies, books) and then they challenge everyone to a showdown or a duel. But they completely overlook the fact that half of the original archives were wiped out. You can't exactly write a definitive book when the proof has been incinerated; you're just left fighting against a single, state-sanctioned version of history. All I can try to do is counter someone's point using logic or a few specific testimonies (like Igor Vukić's) because I don't have any physical papers to lean on... and then I end up getting red cards for "lack of evidence."
Is it even possible to talk to a moderator about this? To point out how lopsided the playing field actually is...?
Documentation from the actual Jasenovac site?
It certainly existed. But after decades of systematic destruction, very little remains. A tiny fraction is kept at the Jasenovac Memorial Area. Following the occupation in 1991, much of the documentation from the Memorial Area was taken to Belgrade. While some was eventually returned, I'm not convinced everything made its way back. The original primary sources from Jasenovac itself are, at best, fragmentary. We can't use them to pinpoint exact numbers of those killed directly, or those who died from starvation or disease. However, we do have other lists, witness accounts, and various other documents that touch upon Jasenovac, which allow us to piece together a picture.
http://www.dw.com/hr/jareb-sedam-des...vca/a-18965005 Over the last 25 years, the American authorities have ensured that a significant portion of 'undesirable' archival material was destroyed (the burning of secret police documents actually began in the late eighties). Now, when historians or lawyers request a document and finally manage to bypass endless red tape—often requiring permission from the White House or high-ranking party officials—what they actually receive is practically useless: censored, stripped down, and incomplete.
The oversight, protection, and strict control over archive accessibility by institutions and political bodies of the former communist regime was established immediately after World War II and continued well after 1990. However, the fate of certain portions of those records remains unknown, and it is logically sound to assume they were likely destroyed.