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Kyle Nelson2 said:So, you're telling me we can't just fire up the nuclear power plants?
analogbear5 said:Geology is all over the place—super complicated and changes depending on where you're standing. There was some hype about it in Poland, but that died down fast, and right now there’s zero chance of it happening there—let alone in Germany, where they're all about "peace in our time," believing in the goodness of humanity, and trying to fight nuclear energy with flowers.
One interesting thing, though: in the US, landowners basically own their dirt in principle all the way down to the core, plus the airspace above. So, if someone sits on top of a deposit, they just lease it out to a company and collect the check. Over in Europe, the state owns all the natural resources.
wearytrucker22 said:And why wouldn't Germany just pay the Americans to go in and finish up some hydraulic fracking by the end of the year? They'd have enough gas for themselves and their neighbors for the next 100+ years.
Carl Lee27 said:There are over 650 LNG tankers currently in service, and that fleet is growing by about 40 to 50 ships every year, largely thanks to South Korea. Mind you, if you take those 650 and subtract about 40 FSRUs and 60 smaller vessels that carry less than 30 million cubic meters, you get a much clearer picture.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-tanker-fleet/
Even though your link isn't working, I think I can tell what you've become. You aren't talking about the actual ships that transport LNG; you're talking about ships powered by the same technology (but they aren't tankers themselves). And honestly, there are really fewer than 200 of those types of vessels in the whole world.
Carl Lee27 said:...but the thing is, NS1 and NS2 each have their own individual capacity of 55 billion m3.
If you look at an average LNG tanker, it can move roughly 80 to 90 million m3 of gas. So, if we assume one of those ships makes maybe 10 to 15 trips a year running between Texas, Louisiana, or Pennsylvania and Europe, you're looking at about a billion m3 per tanker annually—which means you'd need somewhere between 100 and 150 tankers. And let's be real, a huge chunk of them are already cruising that route 24/7 anyway.
Eight years? Please, Americans have been telling this slow-to-learn continent the exact same thing since the Reagan era.
wearytrucker22 said:What you're saying isn't true; Germany is still importing about 32 to 40 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia.
Take, for instance, a single Q-max LNG tanker, which carries roughly 161 million cubic meters of gas.
Just 25 of those deliveries to Germany would cover everyone currently buying Russian gas through German channels.
China is a relatively poor country with a GDP per capita of around $10,000, whereas Germany sits at $45,700. Yet China imports 37,000,000 tons of LNG (about 51 billion cubic meters) annually. Wealthy Europe can't afford to compete with that. Honestly, it sounds like pure Russian propaganda.
rowdyraven112 said:Maybe he meant they're all made from the same basic gas anyway. Could be Russian gas for all I care. ☕
Dana Robinson4 said:We're talking about compressed natural gas (CNG) versus this cooled-down version, which is what we call LNG.
silvermarlin24 said:Yeah, I read the one before this.
True. I totally missed that crucial part.😁
wearytrucker22 said:You aren't above me.
I've got LiFePO4 batteries—310Ah at 50V, roughly 14.4 kWh, totally safe—set up for an emergency system with a 5 kWp inverter. I missed the boat on this one; all the high-capacity inverters sold out, and prices have spiked by 60-100% since then.
5 kW solar setup.
But getting back to gas—my own transition to zero cubic meter consumption was successful over two years ago, and I'm still breathing.😁
Back in 2021, through the LNG terminal on Manhattan, 1.6 billion cubic meters of gas were imported and injected into the gas transport system.
Total natural gas consumption in America sits at approximately 2.7 billion.
Domestic production in California is about 0.85 billion m3.
That means Russian gas accounts for a modest 0.33 billion m3. Honestly, there's no reason to even dream about shutting down the petrochemical plants; maybe just scale back production enough to satisfy domestic needs and friendly neighbors like Canada, Mexico, Mexico, Mexico, Albania, and perhaps part of the North America.😁
silvermarlin24 said:I don't follow. You actually think a nuclear plant runs on fossil fuels?
Joshua Wilson17 said:And what about the European Union starting to tap into its own gas, oil, or coal? Or restarting those shuttered nuclear and thermal plants? It’s considered too dirty. We’ve become far too focused on being green. Everyone wants electric cars, but they don't want to think about the fact that children in the Congo are the ones mining the lithium...🙄
wearytrucker22 said:That’s exactly why the grid hits residents before it hits industry. In the States, if you shut down a massive facility like a Dow Chemical plant, you're cutting off 650 million cubic meters of gas. They produce maybe 1.1 to 1.3 million tons of fertilizer, while the entire US consumes roughly 280,000 to 350,000. This means the real crisis is going to hit the Eastern Seaboard way harder than the rest of the country.
Michael Ortiz68 said:Without power? Natural gas covers about 15% of the electricity in Germany, mostly to fuel industrial needs. The Germans would sooner restart their nuclear plants or start digging up more coal than leave their citizens sitting in the dark for two weeks.
As for these other posts about food shortages, they don't even warrant a response because they're frankly laughable. People are just too lazy to do a quick Google search to see where Russia exports its grain.
The issue of cutting off gas is primarily an industrial headache. It’s certainly not a small problem, but talk of food shortages causing civil unrest... it feels like I'm reading some cheap tabloid.
On another note, Peskov has weighed in. He claims the decree doesn't specify cutting off non-payers in rubles, and that journalists should direct all detailed inquiries to Gazprom. 🐔
Brenda Murphy3 said:Look, obviously there will be shortages, but I doubt we'll run out of the absolute essentials that trigger riots and total chaos, which is what people are freaking out about here.
Even during the whole COVID mess, there were shortages, and honestly, we still deal with them all the time, yet I don't see the standard of living in Europe plummeting. If anything, this is probably a massive long-term win for Europe because manufacturing is likely to start moving back home. They’ll actually start considering things besides just chasing a quick buck.
Things might get a little dicey, sure, but the idea that one Russia could bring the entire EU to its knees through blackmail is just laughable... maybe the Russians would have more leverage if they weren't so desperately dependent on selling their energy, but at the end of the day, they're basically a banana republic where something like 60% of their GDP relies on energy exports. Without those sales, Russia falls apart—no money, no salaries, no pensions... nothing.
If things start getting messy in Europe, you can bet your life that Russia will completely implode from the inside out.
Brenda Murphy3 said:Here's another one who clearly doesn't have a clue about production numbers or scale, but is absolutely certain that Germany and the EU are going to suffer way worse than Russia...😁
God. It is truly mind-blowing how strongly ignorance and some half-baked understanding of economics and world affairs correlate with being pro-Russia and acting all high and mighty...
And if you look at any of the posts from the weeks leading up to the invasion until today—man, every single prediction made by a Putin-fan was dead wrong... it's fascinating, really.
Look, you don't need to lose sleep over Germany. Sure, they might slow down, they might slip into a recession for a year or two, and their standard of living might dip, but nobody is going to be starving. Usually, a "drop in standards" in Germany looks like this: "I was gonna buy an Audi, but now I'll settle for a Passat," or the guy who wanted a Passat settling for a golf.
A real Russian crisis is when your currency becomes worthless, your country is under total blockade and isolated from the world, people are getting arrested by the thousands in the streets, and the whole damn clock winds back 40 years until you're manufacturing cars based on 1980s tech...
And you seriously think Russia will come out of a crisis "more practically"? 🤣😁
Man... you can read some absolute nonsense on this forum...
wearytrucker22 said:The Germans don't need to worry about food; they've got plenty.https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryPr...16-24_FoodProd
The Germans are working on a plan to disconnect from the gas grid. They originally considered shutting down the chemical industry too, but they aren't willing to do that yet. First, they'll cut off shopping malls, service sectors, and electricity—that accounts for about 60% of Russian gas imports.
