CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Carl Foster8 › Posts

Posts by Carl Foster8

93 posts shown.

Maria Thomas48 said:Quote:USA or the European Union.
Carl Foster8 says:
The end result would basically be economic isolationism for the nation. Creditors, like
China or Germany, just wouldn't be swapping goods with debtors like the
Unless, I don't know, maybe about a hundred of these isolated players show up and start trading amongst themselves, bypassing the creditor nations entirely. That could happen, right?

That seems like the most logical outcome, I guess. 😁

Debtors have to manage within their own means or deal with those who still trust them. I suppose the biggest advantage for creditors is that they get to hold onto capital goods used to produce finished products.
The result would be total economic isolationism for the country. Creditors like China and Germany wouldn't bother trading goods with debtors like the USA or the European Union.
Banking by Donald Trump & Gotham City in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
@ Maria Thomas48
Maybe you should try comparing those earnings to the primary money supply.

It would be like if you could sell an apple ten times, but every single time you resell it at a higher price than what you paid for it—basically just playing with the interest rate spread.
The Wounded Eagle: The Twilight of a System in Economy ·
Joshua Martinez7 said:What do you honestly think banks here in the States would do with debtors who just can't swing their loan payments anymore? You really think they’d just wave a magic wand and forgive the rest of the debt? 😁

And how exactly do you think those same banks would pay out everyone's savings?

Now you see why we have to do whatever it takes to prevent a total meltdown. If interest rates spiked or if the US dollar underwent a massive devaluation, we’d be looking at a full-blown collapse.

Cutting interest rates was pretty much the only way out.

We’d end up in a spot where savers have to choose between losing money due to bad loans or losing everything if the bank goes under completely.
The Wounded Eagle: The Twilight of a System in Economy ·
Joshua Martinez7 said:Actually, most of these loans are pegged to the exchange rate of a foreign currency, like the Euro, so inflation wouldn't even help the debtors here—it might actually make things worse. Plus, interest rates aren't usually fixed anyway.

I wouldn't touch a loan like that with a ten-foot pole, but plenty of people did. And then what? What are we supposed to do with them? Just toss them under a bridge? Do you really think mass evictions and seizing cars from people who took out bad loans is going to jumpstart the economy?

The bit about inflation was referring to the USA, but that same inflation can hit the Eurozone too.

And do you seriously think banks are going to go around mass-evicting people and sawing off the very branch they're sitting on? That’s why I’m saying this is unconscious moral hazard. If anything, debtors might have the upper hand now, because I wonder which bank could actually survive a massive wave of foreclosures and the resulting crash in property values.
The Wounded Eagle: The Twilight of a System in Economy ·
Joshua Martinez7 said:So, what's your grand recommendation then?

Even in America, this consumerist rot is everywhere. Honestly, the best move would be for the Federal Reserve to devalue the US Dollar and hike interest rates from something like 3% up to 16%. That way, families currently earning $3000 monthly while struggling to cover $2000 mortgage and car payments would suddenly be facing $3333. The banks could just foreclose on the houses and cars, leaving them to fight over space under a bridge.

The USA didn't really have a choice; making money "cheap" to jumpstart spending (and by extension, production and jobs) was the only path forward. Even if it felt like trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it. Raising rates back then would have triggered consequences that were incomparably worse.

Maybe high inflation is the only thing that saves debtors. For me, as a debtor, I guess that works in my favor. But at the same time, I realize it isn't fair to the people who actually saved their money, essentially losing what they sacrificed so I could buy things on credit.

It’s the same moral hazard—or maybe just plain ignorance—that bankers used to start the financial crisis. Debtors did the same thing with $3000 income and $2000 loans. Maybe they weren't even aware, or perhaps they just assumed that if things went south again, everyone would scramble to fix it.

Would you even take out a loan that ate up 60% of your income?
The Wounded Eagle: The Twilight of a System in Economy ·
analogridge312 said:It’s a hell of a tightrope walk when you're trying not to default on the people holding all the cards—specifically China—especially when those same people have enough "fungus" in their arsenal to split the planet in half a couple of times over.
The "mushroom cloud" scenario remains the absolute worst-case fallout, but honestly, I don't see us ever actually hitting that button.
Personally, I’m rooting for that moment when the average person finally wakes up and realizes just how much they've been screwed over. If we ever hit a total economic collapse, it might actually be the perfect time for everyone to collectively give the establishment a massive middle finger.

Me too!😁
I suspect this will probably slide through Congress, which would really just be delaying the inevitable. If it doesn't pass, honestly, it’ll only serve to convince me that there are shadows lurking behind the throne, pulling all the strings without a single shred of regard for anyone else. But even if it does go through, I can smell a massive collapse on the horizon.😁

Nothing ever really comes of anything, and honestly, it’s probably best that it doesn't—because if things actually started moving, we wouldn't be able to handle the fallout anyway. 🧐

Terry Brooks
Go ahead and just lose yourself in the Kama Sutra; who cares about tomorrow when you're feeling this way?😁

I think you missed the point here... if we're sitting in the top 20% of the wealthiest people in the world, then we're the ones doing the screwing, and we're the ones who'll eventually get screwed.

The only way you'll feel better about this is if you're part of the group getting crushed. 🙂
The Wounded Eagle: The Twilight of a System in Economy ·
Joshua Martinez7 said:It’s really not that simple, though.

At the end of the day, consumption is what drives progress.

Without all that cheap money—you know, those rock-bottom interest rates from the Federal Reserve—there wouldn't be any credit, which means there wouldn't be any spending. The Federal Reserve didn't have much of a choice; they had to slash rates to record lows just to kickstart consumer spending.


When money is cheap, its value drops for anyone who already holds it, assuming the expanded money supply isn't backed by actual economic growth.

While consumption might be the engine of progress, in this scenario, it's turning into the worst kind of consumerism where long-term consequences are just ignored. Besides, in the Western World, necessities were met long ago; now, people are mostly just chasing personal desires. During these periods of "prosperity" driven by cheap money, marketing experts find it easy to convince consumers that these things are actually their own desires. I suppose the satisfaction from fulfilling a desire fades quickly, but the debt stays. Meanwhile, new desires are manufactured and the debt just piles up.

Unrealistically low interest rates also mess with investment. They greenlight projects that only look profitable because the rates are so low. It wouldn't be an issue if rates stayed fixed, but they aren't. Since they can't go any lower, they eventually have to rise. Once rates start climbing, those investment projects fall below the profitability threshold, effectively trapping capital in a very inefficient system. With these types of projects, the moment you take on debt with interest higher than your profit margin, you create debt that is impossible to repay unless rates drop again... if they ever do. It's what you'd call unsustainable growth.
Banking by Donald Trump & Gotham City in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Matthew Evans7 said:Like I said, people are all different. It’s totally clear to me that some Germans invest and make money, but I just don't get why anyone would defend those sold-off banks that are basically running criminal operations—unless they're a German who benefits directly from it. Sure, a handful of people in the US benefit. But whether they're acting shady or not, there's really no point in debating it.

Both sides entered into this deal voluntarily, and both sides stood to gain.

Now that one side finds the agreed-upon obligations inconvenient, they want to walk away.

Because of this dodging of responsibility, the current situation is much worse than it ought to be.
Banking by Donald Trump & Gotham City in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Matthew Evans7 said:Banks create value, so it’s actually a win that they were sold off and the profits are heading out of the States. I mean, interest rates here are four times higher than what those same banks charge back in their home countries... it's totally business as usual. 🙂

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should kill someone. Same goes for banks here—they pull criminal stunts just because they think they can get away with it..

If you think you could do a better job, go ahead—get some funding from abroad, start your own credit institution, and offer loans at lower rates.

Otherwise, you still have the choice to take out a loan or not. Nobody is forcing you to sign anything, whether it's at four times the rate or with interest rates that are 44 times higher. The decision is yours.

All of this is getting a bit off-topic; maybe we should move this to a separate thread.
Banking by Donald Trump & Gotham City in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Nicole Gomez38 said:So where did all those deposits go—mostly foreign currency ones, too—if they aren't sitting in the banks?

They get funneled into investments or spent through loans, I guess.
Verizon is acquiring AT&T in Economy ·
silvercrane38 said:Of course, it's always the low-level workers who get blamed for a company's collapse, while management and the executive suite remain completely blameless.

Management definitely plays a role, but those above them—all the way up to the owners—are the ones responsible for firing people. At the end of the day, the owner is the one deciding how many layoffs happen and where.

So, did they only fire the entry-level staff at Verizon?
Verizon is acquiring AT&T in Economy ·
Donna Davis8 said:Great, they should definitely incentivize them to start laying people off. 🙄

I honestly don't see this acquisition bringing any real benefits to customers, regardless of which side you're on. I actually predict we'll see a surge in AT&T service usage. Since this market is such a minefield—with so many different IPTV providers and triple-play bundles (TV, internet, phone)—they can't afford to mess up too much. But hey, we'll see how it plays out. All things considered, I think this is a bad move. It’s just a case of a big fish eating a smaller one that was actually providing fair service at a fair price.

Nobody is encouraging them, but nobody is stopping them either since it's their legal right.
I assume if you ran a company, you wouldn't risk the whole thing just to save a few employees. If you did, the likely outcome would be everyone losing their jobs.

The competition is keeping prices steady, and if the market is stagnant, that isn't really the provider's problem.
Verizon is acquiring AT&T in Economy ·
silvercrane38 said:I suppose a failing business buying another failing business to somehow "offset" losses is supposed to make sense? Is that the kind of logic they feed to the unwashed masses?

What do you mean by "mindless masses"?

If they're losing money, I guess it’s obvious why they’d lay people off.
Besides, even if they're profitable, they can still cut staff if they feel it helps justify their reason for existing.
Verizon is acquiring AT&T in Economy ·
silvercrane38 said:So, Bnet is offloading layoffs while simultaneously acquiring Bnet? Who exactly are they trying to play for fools here? A dysfunctional government is easily the biggest drag on the American economy. It makes zero sense why the state doesn't incentivize employers through lower taxes or reduced levies to encourage hiring.

If you cut taxes, you have to cut spending somewhere else or just pile on more debt.

Verizon is laying people off at Verizon, then goes out and buys another company just so they don't have to deal with layoffs anymore.
Paul Anderson2 said:The plan looks like this:

1. slashing costs (public sector employees)
2. cutting spending (pensions)
3. trimming expenses (healthcare and everything else)
4. restructuring debt
5. the IMF
6. introducing new taxes, maybe an estate tax or something

I mean, if anyone actually has a better idea, they should probably just email the Democratic Party—their contact info is right there on their website.

The real turning points were:

1. joining the European Union
2. making it easier for labor to move around (which basically meant Americans leaving)
3. opening up the real estate market (selling off property to foreigners, people moving in from abroad)

Everything else about printing money and whatnot... I guess it doesn't really matter.

I agree, though I suspect the IMF will be the first step, and everything else will follow from there.

It’s an elegant way to dodge political accountability.
Ashley Collins4 said:Deficit and surplus of what? The federal budget? That's where we differ, because the Government
either pulls money out of or pumps it back into the system. We know how they pull it out, but how they pump it
back in is anyone's guess—maybe cutting taxes so they take less, leaving
more in the system. But that isn't a solution, because people look at the system as something separate,
like "them" versus "us." They don't see that WE ARE ALL SWIMMING IN THE SAME POOL OF
MONEY!!!
If there is no money overall, then there's no money for you or me. We
can pump it in, suck it out, or move it from one empty pocket to another
all we want, but nothing changes. In fact, it can only get worse.

Where does the money come from? The money printer!!!

All the money in the system is either physical paper or, through various methods like checks, cards,
and transfers, it's all based on a digital ledger moving from account to account. To move money from your account,
you first have to have actual funds in there to begin with.

Just Google "Fiat currency"
Ashley Collins4 said:What kind of school did you graduate from to end up "working" in banking? Look at the logic in
what you're writing.
Money is printed through a deficit. A deficit is a deficit, which means there is no money there—maybe in a surplus, but not a deficit.

Sure, interest rates pull money off the market, and that's exactly where the problem lies. Clearly, you haven't grasped
anything at all.

You can't print money in "multiple ways." There is exactly one way: there's a machine in a printing press,
and that's where the money gets made. In our country, we'd probably need to run it in three shifts just to keep up.

Next time, try reading what you write before posting, so you can avoid spreading such nonsense.

Money = debt... deficit = ?

Money is also "printed" through multiplication.
Ashley Collins4 said:Banks have a massive safety net behind them that keeps them from sinking, not some vague
market position. Most banks are eighty percent foreign-owned, so
I have to ask: can you imagine a German person begging the US Government to cover his
losses and the wreckage left by a recession? And the recession happened, because production
in all the manufacturing plants was barely running a single shift, or small and medium
businesses were shutting down entirely.
Banks aren't getting paid back, and they aren't issuing new loans—whether to businesses
or citizens, for homes or anything else—if they had to act the way they do
in the US, England, Germany, or Italy, where the State covers operational costs
to keep credit flowing to a struggling economy, ideally with
lower interest rates. The English went as low as 1.5-2%.

That doesn't happen here, which is why foreign banks are a bottleneck in normal
commerce. They do the exact opposite, which makes sense if you think about it, because they work
for their own interests. When there's no money in the market, they hike interest rates on new
loans. By limiting credit through higher rates, they think they can maintain
their previous liquidity. Sure, that just drives more clients away, and that's where the
economic shutdown begins.
Simply put, there is no money in circulation. Money is just gathering dust in bank
vaults, at the Fed, or tied up in various funds and frozen assets,
but it isn't circulating in the market.
We need to find a way to get that money moving again, or have the Federal Reserve
start doing something it has never done: directly lending to the economy, just to get started.

The main lever for managing a highway is the toll price.
If the price for a route like New York to Philly is $3.25, then you might see, say, 100,000
cars a day. If it's $33, you'll see maybe 10,000.
Raise it to $167 and you won't see a single car on the road.

There are state-owned and public enterprises managed via boards of directors.
Let's ignore the boards for a second.

What is the State supposed to do in a case like the Duke Energy mess? Just let it collapse?
That example shows exactly what the role of the State is and why we can't function without it.
These are the cash cows that the State relies on. We can't allow the US
to run out of electricity, water, communications, or gas.
I want to build a tank so I can defend this country tomorrow. Everything on that path
—from iron ore mines and heavy industry to steel mills, manufacturing plants, and the research
institutes where tanks are designed, plus electronics and so on—must stay in the hands of government agencies.
You can't negotiate with a private guy named Jim about raw ore, or George about molds,
or cannon barrels and electronic components and radars; otherwise, we'll just end up importing everything.
Do you see my point?

A German person doesn't need to beg the government; the government gave them a guarantee $133 that deposits are secure.
Interestingly, I used to think the money had vanished because we had a trade deficit—basically, banks were
issuing loans that we just spent. If we had a floating exchange rate, the value of the currency would have dropped. Since we have a fixed rate,
the value didn't drop, but the quantity certainly shrank.

The main metric for managing a highway is the toll price.
If the price for a route like New York to Philly is $3.25, then you might see 100,000
cars a day. If it's $33, you might only see 10,000.
Raise it to $167 and you won't see a single car on the road.

There are state-owned and public enterprises managed via oversight boards.
Let's set aside those boards for a moment.

What is the Government supposed to do in the case of a Duke Energy type crisis? Let it fail?
That example shows exactly what the role of the State is and why you can't function without it.
These are the golden geese the country relies on. You can't let the US
run out of electricity, water, communications, or gas.
Personally, I want to build a tank so I can defend the country tomorrow. Everything on that path—
from iron ore mines and heavy industry to steel mills, manufacturing plants, and research institutes
where tanks are designed, plus electronics and so on—must be in the hands of government agencies.
You can't sit around negotiating with a private guy like Jim about ore, or George about molds,
or cannon barrels and electronic circuits. We shouldn't have to import everything.
Do you see my point?

You're spinning the argument, and not very well.

Projects like the Dalmatian coast infrastructure shouldn't be handled haphazardly.
You need to know the maintenance costs and the vehicle volume required beforehand to ensure a road is profitable and actually builds wealth for American citizens.

Even with Duke Energy, you managed to twist the argument.

That example just highlights how little some people care about a company they don't actually own. Plus, there’s definitely some theft involved.
In the private sector, you just don't see situations where an owner would intentionally act against their own interests.
Ashley Collins4 said:In this recessionary climate, banks are basically badgering the Government to bail them out and cover their losses. When does
that capital actually get loaned back to entrepreneurs? It doesn't happen here, which is
a massive mistake. Banks don't feel the market's ups and downs for the usual
reasons.
It’s not the Government's fault for investing. You have to build the interstate highways; the issue is that the subsequent
management was a complete disaster—just like what we see in construction, shipbuilding, and most other public
entities. These companies need to be moved under direct Government administration. Having one
less hand involved would guarantee better results.

What exactly did the Government do wrong? Why is Duke Energy operating at a profit???
We need to call that out. I can see where we're headed, but seeing it laid out like this, I
can hardly believe it.

The golden goose lays eggs all on its own; you just have to pick them up!!!
A cow should at least know how to help out. It seems nobody knows how to sell milk, nor electricity, nor oil,
nor medicine, nor mobile or landline phone service, and so on, and so forth.


The Government covers losses from failing banks based on guarantees provided by the administration. $133 here. Banks hold very strong market positions and get rich off them, but nothing stops you from buying shares in those banks. That way, you become an owner.

Whether the highways should have been built or not is a separate debate. I'm specifically talking about low-yield areas like a coastal region. What exactly did you mean regarding the subsequent management of the highway???

Public enterprises are already under Government administration.

No, the Government's mistake is that Duke Energy operated at a loss for so many years, and then once things got critical and the "managers" faced court, Duke Energy suddenly became profitable. That is the Government error I am talking about.

Everything needs to be sold.