redrider63 said:Gautama Buddha responded from the "Self," from the "I AM," so to speak. He didn't make any concessions to individual consciousness, which actually served to drown it; he didn't need to speak in the language of a
DISSOLVED MIND. It wasn't necessary because what He said can't even be understood. WHEN the Self "speaks," there is nothing to grasp, and the mind can't catch it—the "mind" is drowned, it permeates the listener's Self and touches it. There is nothing TO UNDERSTAND, nor is there any explanation for what He said that would be sensible or logical. If that were possible,
THE DROWNING OF THE MIND WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
I DON'T SEE WHY BUDDHA WOULD BE dissatisfied?? Just because a person didn't ask the right question doesn't mean much. HE RECEIVED A DIRECT FLASH INTO THE SELF, AND THAT IS WHAT MATTERS MOST
so that the TRUE SELF OR TRUE NATURE
BECOMES AWAKENED.
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redrider63, I think you're overstating things in a few places here. This whole idea of speaking from the Self, from the "I AM," isn't quite as mystical as you're making it out to be.
What I was really trying to get at is that Buddha didn't explicitly talk about the transcendental at all, because doing so would just leave people even more confused. Think of this "BECAUSE" as being highly conditional, much like any other "since" or "due to."
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In the second place, if he goes to a living Sage and seeks guidance from him, he is very likely to misunderstand what the Sage might tell him; for this reason it happens that Sages as a rule do not give out all the teachings they have in them to all questioners alike; they withhold the deeper truths from those whose minds are unopened; for a truth that is misunderstood is more fatal than sheer ignorance.*
* Tradition tells us that Gautama Buddha once gave an answer by which the questioner was unsettled in his faith, as he was too immature to understand the answer aright; on another occasion, when a question was put to him by another immature visitor, he kept quiet; he later explained to a disciple that he did so, because any answer that he could give was sure to be misinterpreted.
And again:
“Buddha was interested only in instructing his disciples
how to attain lasting Happiness. He refused to answer
questions — which were based on and mixed up with the
questioners’ ignorance — about God and other matters. For
this he was described as a Nihilist, Sunyavadi!”
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Sorry for the wall of quotes, but I grabbed them all at once because they're "well-phrased."
1 - You claim he made no concessions to individual consciousness. Well, if he didn't do that, then he simply wasn't ENLIGHTENED. I mean, like Ramanin's cow—definitely not.
It would be great if placidharbor7 could weigh in on these "concessions to individual consciousness."
2 – What do you mean there is nothing to understand? 😁
What exactly are you getting at when you say DISSOLVED MIND?
nor is there any explanation for what he said that would be sensible or logical
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The DROWNING OF THE MIND doesn't mean that the "person" can't UNDERSTAND. What we call the "MIND" is essentially the Self, just "seemingly separate." In other words, after the drowning of the mind, the functions of what we previously called the mind still remain, they're just no longer separate from...
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It doesn't say anywhere that Gautama Buddha was actually dissatisfied. It just says:
"and Buddha discovered that he had unsettled the man’s faith without enlightening him" 😉
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The Self "speaks" even when a donkey brays, but we shouldn't go
flashing our lights at every single braying donkey.
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