Posts by Lawrence Robinson11

Kyle Nelson2 said:You mean he’s forcing him to think too much, maybe pushing his intelligence further than it needs to go?

Hmm... I suppose you could put it that way, I guess.🙂

Though, if you ask me—and I might be wrong here—I wouldn't really define intelligence as this conscious ability to sit and ponder things. It feels more like an unconscious capacity for abstract reasoning that eventually manifests as that measurable IQ score we see later on.🙂

When a kid is thrown into an unpredictable situation, they're forced to react to that stress through abstraction. I’d argue that whole process is subconscious at first... and then it just becomes deeply rooted.

...So, does that not seem perfectly logical to you?

Kyle Nelson2 said:you aren't 🙂

can you explain this part about how 'at a certain age when things aren't carefree... they develop abstract reasoning'?

Well, I guess a huge chunk of what we call issues—and I mean things like schizophrenia, manic depression, tendencies toward depression, alcoholism, addictions, or even personality disorders... honestly, who knows what else is baked into our personalities and mental health during those first four years? It's all so complex. But basically, these conditions, or at least the predisposition toward them, can manifest if the environment, the circumstances, or some perceived event—something the child views as totally abnormal—or maybe just an internal psychological shift goes sideways. So, if a kid hits a stressful situation and life stops being carefree... well, that might be it. That's one way to put it, I suppose... and naturally, that kind of pressure might force them to develop abstract reasoning as a way to cope.

*_Spike said:Is there actually a link?

I’m thinking about this in a broad sense—is someone with a higher IQ more likely to develop any kind of mental illness? Or perhaps looking at specific cases, like how OCD seems to hit people with higher intelligence quite often. If anyone knows, I'd love to hear it.

And if you have any citations or studies to back it up, please share. 👋

Well, I'll try to answer based on what I've gathered from spending quite a bit of time studying psychology.

The window for personality development—specifically those first four years of life—is basically the same period that determines IQ. So, I don't think the connection is just some media myth; it's actually quite literal. If personality development goes off the rails in an unconventional way during those first four years, there's a much higher chance it will impact abstract reasoning, which is essentially what intelligence is.

Most people struggling with mental illness were somehow affected or shaped during that initial four-year period. A significant percentage of them—including those prone to depression—might have been forced into developing abstract reasoning capabilities because they weren't living carefree lives during those formative years, which resulted in mental health issues.

It seems pretty logical to me. Besides, I suppose no one can argue against statistics showing that people with mental illnesses don't necessarily have significantly higher IQs.

As for emotional instability, that's a separate issue. That falls under the umbrella of mental illness rather than intelligence... though the link between the two lies right back in that developmental stage.

Here is one more piece of data that supports my theory: I read somewhere that there isn't a specific profile predisposed to PTSD, and consequently, those individuals don't have a higher average IQ... mainly because PTSD can happen at any point in a person's life, not just during those first four years.

I hope I haven't made my thoughts too tangled and confusing. 😂

Jamie Johnson6 said:...just ask your uncle in New York City...he's practically an expert on women...

What the hell is your problem?

Paul Cook33 said:Hey there,
I have a question for any psychologists or psychiatrists out there—honestly, I’m not even sure which is which:
So, here is the deal; last year my then-girlfriend got pregnant, and I actually proposed to her. She said yes, but then, despite everything, she went to get an abortion the very next day. I was absolutely devastated. To make matters worse, she left town entirely, and when she finally came back, both she and her mother started spreading these lies, claiming I forced her into it. They’ve been attacking my family and just lying about all of us.
Now, whenever my ex sees me, she starts screaming and making a scene, acting like I’m some kind of monster who took everything from her.
My question is: how would psychology, or maybe psychiatry, describe this behavior? Both the lying and the act itself?
Also, her mother has always struggled with her mental health, so I can't help but wonder if this is something hereditary?
And, I guess, do hormones during pregnancy (she was about ten weeks along) really shift things enough to cause someone to act like this? We had never even discussed it before; everything seemed so perfect and idyllic.

Thanks to everyone for the input.

I don't think it's a hormone thing, honestly. It feels more like women experience unplanned pregnancies or abortions as massive traumas, regardless of the circumstances.

If what you wrote is true, she doesn't sound fair at all. In fact... when she walks by you, just take it on the chin and keep moving.

Some girls just don't seem to grasp that making a baby requires two people, so they blame you for everything.🙄

Actually, I know a similar situation. This woman I know doesn't just scream at her ex; she screams at every living soul she encounters now. And to top it off, the week she got pregnant, she was sleeping with three different guys... all without protection, of course. Now, she blames the whole world for the trauma.

dustyscout53 said:That was my experience too—I was seeing 175 and 177 at Mensa, but then over at CNN, it was hovering somewhere between 150 and 160. 😕

And honestly, I have no clue what they mean by "egg"?

Plus, Mensa just isn't what it used to be. I mean, who actually has 175 anymore? 🙄

What on earth does the location of the next World Cup have to do with intelligence😁?
Oh, please...

Seriously, do you guys not realize that intelligence is basically just circumference times two?😉

Nathan Ramos77 said:So, here’s the situation.
I’m 22, I eat pretty well, and I actually get enough sleep,
but I just cannot put on any weight. Honestly, I don't think I've ever even hit 120 pounds.
What am I doing wrong?😲

Just come stay with me for a week and I'll get you sorted out.😉

neonranger9 said:I’ll just say one thing regarding doctor salaries and all this whining about how little they make. I assume medical school is tough, exhausting, and everything people say it is—and sure, no other major is easy, but medicine is medicine, at least that's the consensus. However, since I don't have a college degree myself, I can't really judge which major is harder than another.

What I meant was, I am totally fed up with the constant complaining and strikes from doctors over their paychecks because, honestly, my dear future and graduated physicians, you guys make a great living!

Graduated physicians?🤣 Actually, it looks like you're getting defensive (and rightfully so), but we weren't talking about doctor salaries here—we were discussing the "overly privileged status of doctors in society." 😬

I haven't yet had an appointment where the doctor didn't schedule me during an on-call shift, where he felt entitled to charge me for an ultrasound and maybe $200-$100 plus, and if he does that for even ten patients, his shift is definitely "paid for," not to mention he gets paid a higher rate for being on call. So, he made at least $4 $0.00 in one night. And still, there's more complaining!

I can't guarantee anything, much like it seems you can't either, but I haven't heard anywhere that you earn $$1333 during a night shift; I mean, maybe $1,000 max.

As for whether a salary is too high or too low, if you aren't college-educated, you probably started earning your own bread by age 20... whereas the average doctor is scraping by until at least 25 or older. So, just do the math on those 5+ years where he earned zero while you were working, and then tell me that shouldn't factor into the salary.

It isn't a coincidence that lazy kids don't study while the hard workers do... though I suppose diligence isn't necessarily a virtue that translates directly into cash.

What actually carries monetary value? I think everyone here has brought way too many personal biases into this discussion.

See ya.

onix said:What’s a person actually worth to you? What kind of criteria are you using?

It’s honestly unbelievable. Don't you get what I'm saying? I was pointing out that, if you read between the lines, you all seem to be implying that someone's value can be measured by their job title.
I mean, you're basically suggesting doctors aren't worth nearly as much as their salaries...

I... I am genuinely curious. What possessed you to revive this thread? Nobody even gave it a second look until you stirred the pot. It almost slipped into total obscurity on page two. Or do you actually think nobody else realized this was just one big provocation?

A question for the moderators—why aren't threads like this just deleted? Does anyone here actually see any connection to health issues?

Ugh, fine. Since I'm feeling particularly generous and noble today, I'll actually answer your ridiculous questions.
The thread is barely three days old!
I stumbled upon an incredibly rude, provocative post and I responded because I have every right to, just like everyone else who posts those frustrated rants has the right to write them. And well, you saw for yourself that I wasn't exactly picking a fight with myself; I was dealing with a whole crowd of people who clearly take issue with the status of doctors, even though they act all "satisfied" with how things are. 🙄:mos si mislit:
And now you're going to try and dictate who has to stop responding first?

Why are you even replying to me if it isn't for the exact same reason—because you don't agree with me?

And you didn't even ask why that idiot decided to post such a topic in the Health section in the first place?

Instead of attacking the person who started the thread and provoked responses like mine.

Whatever, I guess there isn't much left to say.

Dennis Torres said:Heh, well... who else is stuck in psychology with me? Oh, wait... does this actually mean my major is getting too hard for me? I guess maybe it does. 😬

Are you actually being an idiot, or do you just lack basic reading comprehension? It’s honestly easier than having to show up to every single thing every single day. You get what I'm saying, right?

Ugh, honestly, it feels like everyone and their mother is studying psychology these days... I guess it’s just the trend, right?

Honestly, if we’re talking about people just spitting in the wind, I feel like half the people currently enrolled in psychology programs have absolutely zero natural talent for it. I mean, maybe it's just my opinion, but it really feels that way sometimes. You can study all the textbooks you want, but you can't exactly teach that innate intuition, right? It's a bit of a wild thought, I guess.

Anyway... I guess you could say they hold a pretty decent position in the corporate world. It feels like their standing is actually quite a bit higher than some other professions, if you ask me.

So, I was just thinking—and maybe I’m totally off base here, but bear with me—is it just me, or does someone like Janica Kostelić having more social clout as an athlete than a doctor in this country feel a bit... skewed? It's like, you'd think medical expertise would carry more weight in our society, right? But instead, we end up treating elite Olympians like they're untouchable icons while doctors just kind of blend into the background. I guess that's just how the hierarchy works now, though I find it all a little strange.
So, what exactly are you all doing here? Since when did you guys suddenly become some kind of authority on who gets to be at the top of the social ladder and who stays at the bottom? I mean, seriously... maybe you think you're deciding people's status now? I guess it's just funny to me.
And yeah, I mean, they definitely hold more leverage in certain sectors where education is basically the golden ticket. But honestly, what's even weird about that? Is there actually anyone out there truly profiting from this setup? I guess it depends on how you look at it, maybe.

Well, I suppose I should tell you all a story about this one doctor—she was actually my physician for a little while, though not for very long.
So, this doctor... honestly, she can barely write a coherent sentence, let alone a prescription. It’s just absolute chaos on the page. I mean, if you weren't standing right there in her exam room at the clinic hearing her mumble something like, "you'll be getting some Dabroston," you wouldn't have a prayer of deciphering that scribble. It’s just illegible. Every single time we go to the CVS, the pharmacists look like they’re having a minor existential crisis trying to read it. They always end up grabbing my arm and asking, "Is this really supposed to be Dabroston?" It's a total mess, I guess.
So, I’m standing there waiting in line, right? And suddenly, this incredibly irate guy storms into my sister’s pharmacy, demanding to see the doctor immediately. He starts yelling at her face, telling her she’s practically illiterate and needs to actually learn how to write—which, honestly, might be fair because her handwriting is basically just illegible scribbles anyway. He was demanding she rewrite his prescription and his medical instructions right then and there. Of course, the ladies working at the pharmacy counter had to turn him away because they couldn't even make out what he was talking about! The doctor felt completely insulted, though. She was like, "How dare you tell me I can't write when I spent ten years in med school?" I mean, I get being offended, but maybe take it down a notch? Anyway, she refused to give him the new script, so she ended up calling security. The guy was getting pretty aggressive, which obviously escalated things, so then the police were called. In the end, they all kind of reached some sort of tense compromise where they finally just gave him the prescription. What a mess.

Well, I guess it’s pretty obvious that she just hasn't mastered the art of writing. Honestly, her prose is just... well, it's nonexistent. Maybe she should stick to something else? I don't know.
It’s honestly kind of wild to me how she can look someone in the eye and insist her handwriting is perfectly legible just because she has that medical degree. Like, okay, so you graduated from Johns Hopkins—congratulations, really—but that doesn't mean your prescription should look like a bunch of random squiggles. I guess some people think having all those letters after their name somehow excuses them from being able to write clearly, but maybe, just maybe, basic legibility is still a thing? It's just funny how she uses the degree as a shield for the messy script.
Good heavens, please, just protect documents like that at all costs.

I actually had this one therapist once who was just... I don't know, completely oblivious? It was like she couldn't even see that she was projecting every single one of her own frustrations onto me. Honestly, I’m convinced she only signed up for her psychology degree because she has a mountain of her own unresolved issues to deal with. And don't even get me started on her actual work ethic—she was absolutely terrible at her job. She didn't help me with my problems one bit; instead, her mind would just wander off every two minutes while I was mid-session. I really have to wonder what kind of standards they use when handing out those degrees these days.
Honestly, I feel like every single psychologist out there is just total garbage...
I mean, you honestly get such a massive leg up in society when you're a psychologist. You end up getting invited to guest on shows like Big Brother, while everyone else—you know, the regular non-psychologists—just ends up stuck waiting in endless lines just for a shot at stepping foot inside the studio... I guess it’s just one of those unfair advantages, maybe?

Shall we get back to wasting time and talking nonsense?

I’d honestly suggest you—and everyone else, really—just head out to San Diego... I mean, it’s seriously on your level.

Kyle Nelson2 said:What I really can't stand about doctors—and I know they aren't all like this—is how they view themselves compared to everyone else. They’re fully aware that sooner or later, everybody ends up coming to them for something, so they start acting superior, kind of like how
Lawrence Robinson11 acts. They seem to forget, for instance, that the government is actually the one that invested in their education.

First off, the government didn't exactly "invest" in my education; I did. I mean, if you look at it that way, almost nobody would be responsible for their own achievements, right? Plus, my mom and dad paid their taxes to fund the budget, so...
Furthermore, I don't put myself above anyone. But since this whole thread is just one big provocation filled with nothing but prejudice and sweeping generalizations, I guess I'll respond in kind. If we're going to sink to a certain level, fine by me. I can play that game too.

Honestly, only someone blinded by bias could take my comments literally as "you'll need me eventually" instead of realizing I'm just echoing the exact conclusion he already reached. He just refuses to stop stereotyping every single doctor into this worst-case scenario mold. If he actually wanted to avoid that, he wouldn't have started a thread like this or kept posting in it (he's already second in line for being a health hazard, let's be real)... so, I don't think people are talking about specific doctors here; they're talking about the majority, regardless of how often they see a physician...
I mean, just look at the opening post of this thread. What kind of sweeping statements is that guy trying to make?! Seriously?! 🙄 😲

If I was being rude the whole time, then yeah, I was. But that's no secret. However, the rudeness in about 90% of the other posts here is being totally glossed over. Like when people claim primary care physicians are basically useless. Only a frustrated idiot who had already formed an opinion before this debate even started could say that. Or the claim that only 10% of medical students do it because they love it, while 90% do it just for the prestige. All of those are incredibly rude statements, but I'm not expected to sit there and take them just to prove I'm not one of those arrogant, stuck-up med students... I mean, you all clearly think 90% of them are arrogant anyway, so why should I bother being humble? It won't change your mind, and you clearly don't deserve polite posts.

As for whether doctors are worth more or not, discussing that at a "doctor" level is just ridiculous. A person can be absolute trash whether they're a doctor or a garbage man, and vice versa.

But the thing is, these kinds of posts happen not because people are annoyed that doctors *think* they're worth more, but because they're annoyed that doctors are *treated* as if they're worth more than they actually are—which, by extension, implies the doctors themselves think they're worth more than everyone else.

It didn't bother me how anyone was treated before I decided to study medicine, and it doesn't bother me now. I'm happy with my choice, both then and now. And obviously, that doesn't apply to the people talking here, because it's clear they think they're worth more than the way they're treated...

But hey, let's take an example like Taylor Swift—she definitely has more value, right? And nobody complains about that because she actually does provide more value... right? Aha! So the hierarchy of who is worth more and less definitely exists, and you guys keep pushing it, basing it on professional status rather than actual human value...

It boils down to this: there are professions that hold more value, but doctors aren't one of them. Doctors don't suffer nearly as much during their studies. I mean, you all know three med students and four doctors, and you've seen the covers of their textbooks, but somehow you also "know" how hard it is to be a pro skier, so sure. YES. Taylor Swift has more value, and you're allowed to think that, but NO—doctors aren't worth more than they think, nor are they worth more than the way society treats them.

Scott Allen10 said:😵 .....just a hopeless case of pure stupidity....like I said, college doesn't actually teach you how to be smart....if that's what you're looking for at Salad, you're wasting your time.
And thank goodness I don't have to rely on a pack of idiots who all think exactly alike. The only people I care about relying on are actual, competent doctors, assuming you can even find any.

I'm going to Salad for the prestige, not for a brain upgrade🙄

I mean, when things get really rough for you, are you seriously going to demand a signed note from a doctor just to prove they aren't an idiot?
Who exactly is going to give you that?

Stop talking nonsense.
Just accept the fact that you're eventually going to run into a fool like me, and when you do, you'll just have to blink, shrug, and look the other way.

jadesailor14 said:So, I guess the first requirement for writing prescriptions and recipes has been met.

Look at me, look at me! Just how many patients do I have lined up today? *happily rubs hands together*

Hannah Davis18 said:I never actually said I swap doctors like I change my socks. I just meant if I'm unhappy with one, I move on.
But honestly, thank goodness I rarely run into this much arrogance and sheer ignorance. It seems you view me not as someone who might eventually become a specialist with a massive bank account, but more like some failed medical student.😎

Let me say it one more time: I truly feel for you if you think I'm just some failed medical student, because sooner or later, you’re going to be relying on people like me.

Anyway, stay healthy for now.

Jose Miller3 said:Can I just say out loud that I really hope Lawrence Robinson11 is just messing with us? Or maybe he’s some kind of clone...

You can, Joe Biden.
Look, I'm giving you the green light.

Hannah Davis18 said:🤣
Do you honestly think you'll even land a job if you lack basic communication skills?
Ha! Thank goodness it's not enough to just know how to operate a fax machine to get hired on the spot.

And why the threat?
We don't rely on anyone, especially not you or people like you.
If I don't like my doctor, I just switch to a different one.😈

Right, because apparently, all you need to snag a job or a specialized residency is just to shell out a mountain of cash. So, thank God my "lack" of social graces won't stand in my way...

A threat?

I have no idea where you saw a threat there; I was just stating a fact, I guess.

It's just a lucky coincidence that the healthcare system is so wonderful that you can swap doctors as easily as changing socks... I don't see the issue. I mean, why would anyone even bother seeing an arrogant, terrible doctor in the first place?

brightmarlin44 said:By "negative careerism," I suppose I mean this massive ego, this intense self-consciousness, and this tendency to exaggerate one's own importance in society—this idea that they are somehow "special"? I mean, where does this notion come from that medical school is somehow harder to finish than, say, architecture or mechanical engineering?? I actually heard a med student recently mention how she plans to work in a role where she won't even have to touch a patient "because that's what nurses are there for"??😲
Well, I really wonder where this attitude comes from among doctors (both the future ones and those already practicing).
Take, for instance, the case of a politician who was an endocrinologist (which is a subspecialty you reach after internal medicine, which itself follows finishing medical school, all through years of hard work, studying, and training)... he switches to politics and then opens up a construction firm??😕 I mean, maybe if someone just finished their undergrad, I could see it, but moving into something completely different like construction right after completing a subspecialty???? Or look at the guy who used to be a director of a community health clinic and now he's a politician... there are honestly so many of them... at least ten in US Congress right now, and they don't seem interested in ever returning to their profession despite everything they invested in it😬 , so I ask, can politics really be a substitute for a field characterized primarily by humanity and service to an individual (the patient), when politics is quite the exact opposite?

But you, you've totally missed the point.
A doctor who jumps into politics is a bad doctor, a bad father, and a bad politician.🤣
That idiot endocrinologist you're talking about had no right to switch to politics in the first place; he thinks he's Superman just because he believes he can be a politician without ever having studied to be a professional politician...

Doctors in general tend to trade medicine for the complete opposite—dirty politics—simply because they are subpar, arrogant, or vain... basically, let's just get rid of doctors.

Scott Allen10 said:The description in that opening post is just spot on. It perfectly captures that typical "know-it-all student" type who spends all their time trying to sell everyone else on their own brilliant ideas.
There’s just so much pretension in the air lately. It’s honestly exhausting. Everyone seems to be overplaying their hand, acting like they're somehow more vital to society than the next person. And I mean, let’s be real—that whole "I'm such a big deal because I'm in medical school" thing? It’s so incredibly transparent. It’s just... yeah, it's quite obvious.

I suppose I’m just glad I managed to confirm what I already pretty much thought about doctors in the first place... turns out my intuition was spot on.
I mean, look, doctors are definitely something special, aren't they? I don't know... why does everything surrounding them have to be such a massive mystery? Not that I'm suggesting they're somehow above the law or anything, but there’s just something about it. I guess I just wonder why it all feels so guarded.
Honestly, I feel like you all are just way more bothered by doctors holding a higher status in society than you actually think they deserve. It seems like you’d much rather see them dragged down to the absolute bottom.

As someone pointed out earlier, there is honestly no point in wasting your breath arguing with an intellectual lightweight. You know the type—someone who tries to manufacture their own sense of "importance" by constantly whining about how they did six years of school instead of four. It’s just nonsense. They use that as a way to indirectly belittle everyone else's career paths, completely ignoring the fact that choosing a six-year track over a four-year one was a personal choice. Nobody forced them into it, I guess. Maybe they just wanted the extra credits, but using it to look down on others is just silly.
It’s a sad reality, I guess, that just because you spend more years in school doesn't mean you're actually getting any smarter or that your work becomes more "important." Honestly, if it weren't for the fact that I see the truth of this every single day, I might actually believe otherwise. I see plenty of brilliant, totally normal doctors out there, sure, but then you run into so many others who just aim for the bare minimum—doing just enough to get by. They seem to think they're doing us a massive favor just by showing up and performing the basic tasks they were trained for, all while being some of the highest-paid professionals in the country compared to almost any other government sector or public service. It's a bit much, isn't it? Maybe it's just how things are now.

Sure, they get paid the most because they’re the most educated. Bravo. But I guess you actually think education shouldn't have anything to do with someone's salary...!

Look, honey, you might actually learn what an ileus or a bronchospasm is from this, but I highly doubt it’s going to make you any smarter. Maybe it will, I guess, but probably not.👎

Well, I really hope I'm wrong about this, but honestly? You might just find yourself coming back to someone like me one day. Maybe. It’s a bit of a wild thought, I guess, but you never know.

Casey Palmer5 said:And if you're looking for special treatment at the bank and want to play the victim... well, there are definitely easier ways to go about that than spending years in medical school.

If this was aimed at me, I think you might have the wrong person, because I was really just responding to the comments about doctors getting better service at the bank. I don't personally need any favors, but I guess it's just sad if anyone finds that frustrating. Still, this constant bashing of the profession really gets to me, because I chose to go to MIT for med school specifically because I wanted to help people. I actually had much more lucrative offers out there, both financially and in terms of stress levels. But no, people just insist on making statements like, "only 10% of doctors actually care about helping people" or that "only 10% think they provide more value to society."

I mean, who is actually to blame here? Is it the system? If a physician has a higher level of education than someone else, then, I suppose, they are treated better in certain contexts. It's kind of like how an athlete might be treated differently in other scenarios, too.

But all this frustration...
And honestly, those comments suggesting that general practitioners are just glorified scribes were truly quite rude.