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Aerobic vs. Anaerobic Training: Which is better? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Adam Mendoza8 said:you can always just swap out that stationary bike for a real ride you can take outside😉

Yeah, right, easy for you to say, especially with how things are lately...
Aerobic vs. Anaerobic Training: Which is better? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
quietwalker5 said:Hey,

If you actually want to get in shape, you've gotta hit both cardio and strength training.

I just started doing yoga, so I'm dying to know—is just sticking to yoga enough to check both those boxes?

Thanks

Kind of.

Look, try adding maybe 20 minutes of running into your routine, and like, halfway through, throw in some 30-second sprints where you really push it a few times.

Just some light jogging paired with yoga? That’s honestly killer.

ps. If running isn't your thing, you can swap it for swimming, a stationary bike, whatever... basically any activity that gets your heart pumping and makes your muscles work aerobically.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
rapidbison42 said:Competitive swimming is broken down into about ten different disciplines.
You've got ten gold medalists, ten silver, ten bronze... you get the idea.
There are at least thirty active swimmers out there who have a way bigger medal count than Duje Draganja.
In my own sport, I’ve hauled in way more medals at the Worlds and the Europeans than Duje Draganja ever did... it's just a damn shame it wasn't an Olympic sport.
The money? $0.00.
The grind? Training 365 days a year. Heavy bag, gym, sparring, heavy bag, gym, sparring, heavy bag, gym, sparring... just endless repetition.
The fallout? A ridiculous amount of injuries that basically forced me to ditch the ring and focus on my studies right when I was hitting my prime.
Do I regret it? Not even a little bit.
Am I some bitter little loser?
With 48 medals under my belt in my sport, I highly doubt it.

So what's your actual point here? You picked that path, you chose that sport, you did it without a paycheck, and you weren't a pro.

If you got exactly what you went looking for, why the hell are you whining about it now?

Guys like Duje, Lance, and Rivaldo—those guys are pros. They live off their craft. They'll grind at it until they're 30 and then call it a day.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Ken said:He basically sold out his own country for a measly million bucks. Look, it's his right to make his own moves, sure, but it's also our damn right to call him a total sellout and a complete piece of trash who deserves to have his citizenship stripped away. 🙂

And listen to this guy, "he sold out his country"... Are you freaking kidding me? 😂 😂 😂
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
s3v3n said:You just listed some guys from Florida and some swimmers
But you got anyone actually relevant?
Like, what does the coach of a multi-time Olympic gold medalist and world champ like Janica Kostelic say about this?
What does a coach for Olympic and World Champion handball players think?
Or what about any of those handball pros or even those kids at Gypsum?
I'm gonna ignore the losers, though.

HA HA HA

Seriously, you think they wouldn't jump on that? It's easy to act tough when the cameras are rolling, but if an offer like that actually landed in their laps, it's bye-bye... don't be so naive.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Carl Brooks22 said:Hey, Leonard Nimoy, you’re supposed to be a moderator on one of the biggest forums in the country—it’s pretty low, man, backing statements that homophobic like that...

And what are you gonna do about it when nobody's even on your side? Fuck it, it's way too late to start changing your mind now...
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
rapidbison42 said:I’m pretty sure Duje would convert to Islam tomorrow if someone threw an extra $100,000 his way.

Okay, now you're just being dramatic.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
rapidbison42 said:Look, I don't think the world is gonna stop spinning if Duje quits swimming. He’s definitely not the first athlete to call it quits.
But honestly, he'd be an idiot if he didn't head over to Qatar after everything.
And our government seriously needs to get their act together regarding who they hand out academic scholarships to.
In my opinion, it's way better to sink money into young people and athletes who actually plan on coming back home rather than wasting it on people whose only goal in life is stacking cash.

Facts. If he leaves, we lose everything.

And again, it's true—he'd be a moron not to go to Qatar.

Who can actually guarantee the government that someone like Mario Ančić, after winning a Masters and raking in all that dough, is actually gonna come back to the US and reinvest in the country? Nobody. So... what's even the point?
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
L.NimoyInvadesMetal~ said:What kind of moronic logic is that? What, should a truck just plow you into the ground tomorrow on your way to work (God forbid)? "Everything goes to hell?" exactly.


Look, a truck could plow him too, but I was talking about sports injuries, which aren't exactly rare at that level. Something that trivial can throw a freak athlete completely out of rhythm. Tell me, have you ever even dabbled in swimming?

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And as for the injuries themselves, don't tell me you actually believe that crap? Why wouldn't someone like Lance or whoever else just set aside a portion of the cash they earned?
this reminds me of that famous Sprowell line from last year, after he turned down that massive (multi-million) contract from Minnesota: "I gotta feed my family."
They do leave money behind, but there's a difference between being Maldini and having a massive contract for 20 years, versus being some little guy like Duje who hasn't even grabbed what's rightfully his yet.

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I agree. He was built by his coach and himself. Look, a miracle—Pete Sampras was built by his coach and himself. Lance Armstrong was built by HIMSELF.
Sergej Bubka was built by HIMSELF.
As for Pete, I don't know. But man, you are dead wrong about Lance. You wouldn't believe the logistical support he had backing him up. How many doctors, how many specialists who... look, there's a good book on it, you really ought to read it; Lance is basically a guinea pig for the people he works with. You're wrong about him. He was built by modern science and cycling as a sport that needs promotion.

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Do you see the pattern here? You're generalizing, setting up this thesis as if an athlete isn't responsible to their country AT ALL, but only exclusively to themselves and their own wallet. Thank God other athletes don't think like you.
Here you go again, harping on that connection between the state and the athlete. Trust me, an athlete couldn't care less about the country. It's all about pulling in the cash, securing good conditions... they don't give a damn about anything else. I know way more athletes than you do, and I know how they actually think.

Do you even play a sport?

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I agree, that's a different topic. And it's stupid to drag this into deep discussions about something incomparably more important and bigger than sports and some 20-year-old kid who still "counts," if he decides to go to a country that'll hand him a few million dollars, or stay in the US and suck the life out of a country that'll only give him "just" 300-400,000.
I agree too, it's out of context, but someone mentioned the war so I responded.

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Maybe you stayed, but clearly the TV was turned off too because people WERE complaining. But again, different topic.
Look, maybe I’m overtraining or whatever, so yeah, I can't catch every single little detail, but I'm definitely not blind. For something as massive as selling off HT, you'd think the public would have reacted way differently. But honestly, that's a whole other conversation.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
rustystag7 said:Some idiot wrote he has to train 25 hours a week and stare at a pool!! Poor guy, right? Like, tell me, what does a regular person working at least 40 hours a week even need to be given???

Look, a regular person has a steady job, pays into social security, and actually builds a retirement fund. Athletes don't have that setup (unless they're paying into it themselves), not to mention the constant threat of injury. Just imagine if Lance got hit by some truck or car while training. Everything goes to hell instantly.

Get your head out of your ass for a second and look at how much EFFECTIVE work he’s actually putting in. You don't even have 40 hours to call your own.

The guy is SWIMMING constantly, PLUS massages, plus all those different treatments, plus recovery time, etc..

And obviously he’s gonna need a visa since, theoretically, he’s a foreign national. Who even said he was getting special status? Because if you didn't know, rest is part of the training too.

And another thing—the government didn't create him; his coach and his own damn hard work did.

And now we're really going to bring up veterans and compare them to this? Veterans made a choice to go to war. Okay, guys, you went to war. War brings its own stuff—trauma, sacrifices, blame, and a whole lot more... That’s just war. But that is a completely different conversation entirely.

It’s funny how everyone starts cheering when one swimmer heads to Qatar, but when AT&T was trying to sell itself to a foreign country, all the cowards were staying home...
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Roose Bolton said:He’s basically throwing away something people consider sacred just for some pathetic $500,000.

Man, go back and read that again. Seriously.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Noćobdija said:Look, even when he was swimming for us, the guy was rarely likable—just an arrogant jerk. He's a total narcissist, so honestly, I find it hard to "love" Dwayne Johnson regardless of whether he’s representing us, some other squad, or whoever else. But man, I really have to express how disappointed I am with the discourse from people defending him by hiding behind the "professionalism" excuse. Like, come on, he's got a few good years left; it's his time to grab as much cash as possible while he can. If you're pulling in enough money to set yourself up for life, I guess people feel justified being totally shameless toward their hometown, their country, or their own people. Personally, though, I just can't get behind that kind of approach to sports. I absolutely loathe this gladiator mentality. The way his defenders talk makes it sound like his entire life's mission was just to reach a point where, during his peak athletic years, he could rake in enough dough to live comfortably forever. I don't buy it. I think—and I really hope I'm wrong here—that people who dedicate themselves to sports do it because of what it says in copperpuma96's signature: "enjoy the sport, don't let that feeling leave you." Basically, if his move to swim under the flag of Qatar is just a hunt for fast cash, then it isn't even "sporting," and it definitely shouldn't be used to mentor young swimmers. "Be fast like Dwayne, maybe one day a corporation or an Emirate will hire you..."

Hmm... A "gladiator approach" to sports... Look, the second a person decides to go all-in and become a professional, they accept certain realities as just part of the game. That includes things like doping, shady deals, backroom agreements, and how the money gets split up. Let's face it: sports is pure gladiator combat, and almost everyone knows that.

We don't say business students aren't being "raised" to become high-quality individuals with tons of knowledge just so they can be more marketable, right? It's the exact same thing. He sold himself to LAFC or the Orlando Magic or Verizon or Sony or Qatar...

College professors train students to gain skills they'll use to hunt for jobs (their income sources), and coaches train kids to be the best so they can sign better contracts.

True enjoyment of a sport only exists in amateurism. People who go for group rides near Mount Rainier, hike through the Rockies, or go spearfishing—they truly enjoy it because it's not the ONLY thing they know how to do. It's a hobby; it relaxes them and provides an escape from daily life. Professionals live off this stuff, and that's how they treat it.

And why did it even come to this? Because of people like you and me. We're the ones pushing the boundaries; the masses are always demanding better, more, faster, stronger. The Olympics exist because of us, World Championships happen because we're watching. We're the ones paying the bills. We watch the games, we watch the sponsors, we buy whatever gear the athletes are wearing... See, it all revolves around money. They don't say "money makes the world go round" for nothing.

I totally get why you're bitter, but try to see things from Dwayne's perspective.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
ka plus permanent milk said:Look, man, I honestly don't give a damn about his "grueling training sessions." I know exactly how that goes because a close friend of mine is a pro swimmer—she actually holds an American record. She does it because she lives for the sport. It’s not like she’s pulling in enough cash to retire on it, but hey, there are other ways to make a living.

You really think Duje Draganja swims just because he loves the water?

You think Lance Armstrong rides because he’s just some cycling enthusiast?
You think Baldini runs because he finds running relaxing?

How the hell should you know? You haven't been in their shoes.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Douglas Williams29 said:I don't get it. Seriously. 🙄 He isn't switching clubs; he’s switching his NATIONAL TEAM. That’s a whole different ballgame. He’s taking US citizenship. 🤮Look, it’s just human nature to want to build something and actually produce results. Nobody gets filthy rich overnight. And even if they did, he’d still be out there grinding until the day he dies. Not because he’s forced to, but because that’s just who he is. Just because you’re a lazy bum doesn't mean the other 7 billion people on this planet are too. Stop talking crap.

In swimming, you don't have clubs like in other sports—you know, like baseball, soccer, or basketball—so the national team is where the money is. Get it?

Goddammit. Duje Draganja is cashing in on his own hard work in ways you couldn't even wrap your head around!!! Do you have any idea what it means to train 20 to 25 hours a week? Being in that pool twice a day, staring at tiles for 20 years straight... Sorry, but that didn't happen overnight. He isn't some fraud athlete who just happens to be okay at hitting a ball; he’s a man who knows how to SWIM, and you aren't just born with that level of mastery.

Oh, sure, and I guess we need steak and greasy fast food just because, I don't know, that's just "how it is" and everyone else does it?
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Douglas Williams29 said:Would you guys be totally fine with this if it involved someone picking up citizenship from some other country?

I don't even see the difference, honestly.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Douglas Williams29 said:Look, man, I honestly don't give a damn whether he changed his ways or not. It's all the same to me.🙄 Now we're talking about citizenship—something Duje is just tossing around because he wants more cash. For God's sake, give me a break!!! 😵

Is it actually possible for someone to be this freaking brainless???? 😕

Look, the guy is still a human being, he hasn't turned into some kind of damn amoeba or anything. But seriously, what kind of absolute coward switches his citizenship and turns his back on his own country just because of a paycheck? It says everything you need to know about a person like that. It’s pure greed and nothing else—just a desperate, bottomless hunger for MONEY. He’s young, he’s good-looking, and he’s educated; he could make a massive amount of cash in life without even touching swimming. Selling out like this is just straight-up disgusting and honestly unbelievable.

Look, he isn't switching his citizenship just for the paycheck; he's just swapping the "club" he plays for because that's where the money is. You get me? Changing the letters on those legal documents is nothing more than a formality.

Why on earth would he grind away at some massive corporation like ExxonMobil for another thirty years if he doesn't HAVE to? He’s already sitting on the payoff from twenty years of hard labor. While other kids were out living their lives, enjoying their youth, and actually having a childhood, this guy was out there working his tail off. He took huge risks—even if he didn't realize it at the time—because one bad injury could have wiped out his entire career instantly.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
L. NimoyInvadesMetal~ said:👍

anyway, Shevchenko and those other ghosts:

So Duje turning his back on his country is a "smart move," while the rest of us who wouldn't do the same are basically just fake Americans?

🙄 🙄

🙂

Get real, man.

Yeah, you think he’s suddenly cut all ties with his homeland. Like, oh, I hate America, I hate my hometown, I hate everything about where I was born...

Give me a break, get it through your head—IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY. He’s a pro, okay? He isn't some damn patriot sacrificing his entire life just to stand next to a piece of fabric only to be forgotten by everyone within a year of retiring. He’s a human being; he’s gotta make a living. Being a professional athlete, especially in his sport, doesn't pay the bills if you realize they don't have massive clubs like soccer players or cyclists do; they're out there swimming for themselves.

Trust me, if there were no club teams and just national squads, there would be so many transfers happening that even historical dictators would be spinning in their graves. JUST IMAGINE, someone like Asamoah playing for Germany (for those who don't know, he's blacker than black).

It's simple: people are people. They need to eat. No amount of public admiration or some random journalist's praise is going to put food on the table.

That's just how life works. You'll figure it out once you actually get a job and try working at a company—you won't get hired just because you're an American and you're proud to work in this country and want the best for it and all that crap...
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:The bottom line is that when people are actually struggling just to survive, they realize pretty quickly that money matters way more than some abstract sense of national identity. People who prioritize patriotism over putting food on the table either don't have real survival issues or they’re totally oblivious because someone else is footing the bill, letting them sit around playing hero for "higher" ideals.

Preach.

Though I honestly doubt most folks even realize how much of a bubble they're living in regarding their finances. The real issue is that I don't think people can truly wrap their heads around what it's like to grind every single day and still only pull in a measly million bucks a year...
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
robybaggio said:Don't be ridiculous, an Australian isn't going to offer you that. If some guy from gebreselasija hasn't gone anywhere, and they don't have anything in Ethiopia—let alone a tartan track—why is Duje suddenly acting like such a genius?

Muto is staying quiet, and you wanna know why?????

Because Hailo is one of those once-in-a-century world record holders! He’s got sponsorship deals so massive it wouldn't even cross his mind to look elsewhere. The man is an icon. Comparing Duje to him is just straight-up idiocy.

And all these people rooting against Duje... what do you honestly think he's gonna do, go sing the anthem for Qatar? Kiss their flag and enjoy living there? His goals and intentions are crystal clear. He's gonna grab the cash, cash in on everything he's worked his entire life for... then disappear after a few years and live like a damn king. As for these fake patriots and "all-American" zealots, they're too blinded by hate to actually understand what's happening. That's all they ever do.
Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood? in Other Sports ·
gabal said:I don't think you can really compare scientists to athletes—they aren't public figures and they don't represent their country in major global competitions.

And who cares if they aren't famous? Like that actually matters? Who gives a damn about what flag you're standing under when you're working, seriously? Give me a break... stop being so delusional.

Comparing scientists and athletes is totally fine. Both groups just moved on to better opportunities.