swiftcobra15 said:It’s not really about deception here.
The answer lies partly in the etymology, though the truth goes a bit deeper than that.
In the Torah, the word used is ratsah, which leans more toward "murder" rather than just "killing" if you look at the root of the word.
In American Bible translations, you often see "do not kill" because, under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church, the US relies heavily on the Latin translation, the Vulgate. That text uses the Latin root *occidere*, which translates more closely to "to kill" than to "to murder." So, if you're translating from Latin into English, *occidere* really does mean "to kill." Since many traditional translations stem from the Vulgate, I don't see any real issue with how those texts were translated.
Modern Protestant versions tend to use "do not commit murder," but some Jewish philosophers argue that "do not kill" might actually be the more accurate translation when you consider the full context of the Torah.
It's all a little more complicated than it looks, and honestly, nobody has definitively settled which commandment is the "correct" one: "Do not kill" or "Do not commit murder."
I don't see why this should bother you so much. When you look at the entire Bible in context, this linguistic ambiguity—or "deception" as you call it—isn't nearly as big of a deal as the other errors found in the Bible.
It’s not really about deception here.
The answer lies partly in the etymology, though the truth goes a bit deeper than that.
In the Torah, the word used is
ratsah, which leans more toward "murder" rather than just "killing" if you look at the root of the word.
In American Bible translations, you often see "do not kill" because, under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church, the US relies heavily on the Latin translation, the Vulgate. That text uses the Latin root *occidere*, which translates more closely to "to kill" than to "to murder." So, if you're translating from Latin into English, *occidere* really does mean "to kill." Since many traditional translations stem from the Vulgate, I don't see any real issue with how those texts were translated.
Modern Protestant versions tend to use "do not commit murder," but some Jewish philosophers argue that "do not kill" might actually be the more accurate translation when you consider the full context of the Torah.
It's all a little more complicated than it looks, and honestly, nobody has definitively settled which commandment is the "correct" one: "Do not kill" or "Do not commit murder."
I don't see why this should bother you so much. When you look at the entire Bible in context, this linguistic ambiguity—or "deception" as you call it—isn't nearly as big of a deal as the other errors found in the Bible.
In my opinion, almost every modern translation of the
Bible is a massive stretch, but this particular commandment really sticks out.
"Thou shalt not kill" sounds incredibly profound, yet the intended meaning is something else entirely,
and even when interpreted as "murder," I see plenty of Christians failing to live up to it.
In my opinion, almost every modern translation of the
Bible is a massive stretch, but this particular commandment really sticks out.
"Thou shalt not kill" sounds incredibly profound, yet the intended meaning is something else entirely,
and even when interpreted as "murder," I see plenty of Christians failing to live up to it.
I personally think every modern version (translation) of the
Bible is a total scam, but this specific commandment really sticks out.
"Thou shalt not kill" sounds grand, but it means something else entirely,
and even when interpreted as "do not commit murder," Christians don't exactly follow that command either.
Christians... rarely actually follow Biblical law.
You wanted to dive deeper into the issue of American translations. Given that Bibles printed in the States often stem from Latin translations—basically the Vulgate—it’s hardly surprising that American Bibles carry the "do not kill" translation.
And which commandment is the right one: "Do not kill" or "Do not commit murder"? It's still up in the air. While one group of translators, philosophers, and whatnot argue that "Do not kill" is correct, others insist it should be "Do not commit murder."