I actually found myself agreeing with parts of what ex said I honestly think it wouldn't be a bad idea if we organized an annual poll on every single sub-forum to let everyone rate the moderators Now, I’m not suggesting this as some kind of tool to kick people out, but rather as a legitimate way to gauge whether a moderator is actually doing a decent job or just being a nuisance Of course, doing this would also effectively mean "game over" for anyone attempting to run fake accounts to manipulate things
Implementing actual voting for removals or letting a small clique call the shots would be completely counterproductive moves, and the community would probably revolt against those kinds of experiments pretty quickly—especially if we were talking about rotating shifts that aren't even long enough for new mods to get their bearings
Jeremy Diaz9, look, I’m no lawyer—just some amateur who happens to have a passing interest in how legal frameworks actually function From my perspective, it sounds perfectly logical that any business owner should have the right to hand-pick their clientele; honestly, there are endless examples of this happening all over the US Just like a newspaper gets to decide what they print, or how an exclusive club decides who gets through the door and under what specific rules, a site like Reddit can absolutely establish its own operating procedures and dictate which behaviors simply won't be tolerated I mean, think about it—a local pub is considered a public space, and the restaurant at the Four Seasons is also a public space, but if those guests started acting out...
Nathan Bailey65, I think I get what you're saying. Rules don't necessarily have to contradict federal law; they can just exist in that gray area where they're much more restrictive or specific than what's actually written in the statutes—essentially banning things that aren't technically illegal under any state or national law. It’s like how a high-end lounge in Manhattan might refuse entry to anyone not wearing a tie or anyone under thirty; there isn't some law on the books saying you can't enter a club without formal wear, it’s just the private right of the establishment to set its own standards.
Alexander Hayes3, my issue isn't just limited to those old-school fascists it’s the Nazis, the fascists, the communists—all of them are essentially cut from the same cloth because honestly, they all have more than enough blood on their hands to justify being tossed into the trash heap of history, while the rest of us actually need to start moving forward and finding a way to reconnect with the civilized world the fact that two idiots are busy arguing over whether they're left-wing or right-wing really doesn't say anything about intelligence, let alone anything else meaningful
Since the law isn't even in effect yet, there’s really no point in us trying to police things that aren't technically illegal right now, is there? That’s why I went ahead and lifted the revolution ban; honestly, I’m asking both the partisans and the Nazi - National Socialist German Workers' Party supporters to just quit the constant bickering and get back to playing the game like they always have. Thanks, your local moderator 🙂
Look, we aren’t sitting in some high-stakes corporate boardroom here, nor are we at a stuffy gathering of novelists—who, by the way, actually have people on payroll specifically to proofread their work . No matter how you slice it, about 90% of the time, someone nitpicking your grammar is just pure trolling, plain and simple, meant to be condescending and insulting . I suppose there’s a tiny fraction of people who genuinely want to be helpful, but if they actually cared about being decent, they’d just send a private message instead
This thread has been handed over to the moderators, because at the end of the day, they’re the ones tasked with actually enforcing the rules, yet I see far too many people jumping to conclusions and claiming the mods are biased or dishonest—at least according to their own little version of reality . So, look, I’m going to let this discussion stay open, but I’m attaching one specific condition: I want to see an actual proposal for a set of rules that you all find genuinely acceptable . It would be a nice change of pace to actually build something constructive here for once, instead of just constant bickering and tearing everything down .
hehehhehehehe, bravo Andrew Sanchez572 no, you aren't even that much of an idiot yourself, really once they're actually offered the chance to demonstrate what they know better than anyone else, that's when they truly speak with "...a hundred voices"
lol, wiredsailor10, thanks though, I honestly doubt that my arrival would change even a single shred of how people perceive the moderation of Politics here let’s do this just for kicks—list the Politics mods and drop your grievances 🙂 at least from my perspective as a PZK moderator, I've kept an eye on them if Jesus himself showed up, the only difference would be that they'd probably nail him to the floor with an electric nail gun this time around
Rachel Sanchez11, I can only sign my name to what you wrote here
granitefox16. I remember that thread, and I have to agree, it was actually quite good as far as basic guidelines go, from what I can tell, they already exist; it’s just a massive pain to actually implement them 🙂 neither myself nor Jerry Garcia are even part of this together I write my own stuff, she writes hers, and there isn't any secret pact or agreement between us if anyone wants me to, I’ll step out of the debate entirely, just so it doesn't look like we're dragging someone else into it, covering for one another, or playing favorites
in the meantime, we’re talking about moderators, because that really is the burning issue here basically, people who pigeonhole themselves into specific sides or political parties have this tendency to try and sort everyone else around them into those same little boxes no set of rules is going to fix that—at least, none that I’ve ever seen personally, I actually enjoy having this wide spectrum of opinions and perspectives present, seeing users from all walks of life on the Reddit if only it were possible for all of this to happen without the insults, the trolling, and the constant mockery (well, at least not the vulgar, malicious kind), then I think we’d have a community that the rest of the world would actually find worth watching and learning from
Off. Not happening; you aren't getting off that easily. 😁
granitefox16, if you ask me, there’s nothing more obnoxious than a moderator who starts playing favorites by dividing everything into "mine" and "theirs." I mean, honestly, what would the other side even have to talk about?? They’d just end up with a 3,000-page thread filled with nothing but "I agree" and "Yes, boss."
Rachel Sanchez11, I’m actually on board with about half of what you’re suggesting: using Smart for the supermode. As for the other half, honestly, I’d rather just hit the ban button right now. 😁
wiredsailor10, you’re playing the exact same role here that I am: a fellow Redditor engaged in discussion 🙂 There is always room for improvement—on that, we are definitely on the same page Now, the real challenge is actually identifying and defining where those gaps are
Drastic changes don't mean much on their own, but in a situation where nobody is happy with how things are going, my take is that we need to establish some basic, rock-solid rules first. We need to set up some fundamental order so that we have a foundation to build actual organization upon later on Right now, while the PDF-politik looks like a total battlefield, I don't see any room for fine-tuning minor details yet
As for those warnings you received, YOU might not think they were warranted, but clearly the moderator thought they were, and the Admin backed them up Everywhere in the world, that’s where the conversation ends, regardless of what you personally feel about it
A ban is practically the only tool moderators have to maintain even a semblance of peace and order within their subreddits Of course, there are different levels to it; in some places, a simple warning from a mod is enough for people to correct themselves and get back to civil discussion, whereas in other spots, even a ban isn't an immediate fix for issues like clones or constant petty bickering
It honestly saddens me that so many people fail to realize that mods are actually working for them and trying to help them, yet they treat them like "class enemies" or forced authorities I say, let's just scrap moderation for a month and see if any threads stay alive or remain suitable for actual debate at all Some people claim the owner only cares about click counts Fine, if you make a move like that, the number of clicks will certainly skyrocket But will anyone sane actually care about the quality of the content anymore? Will it even be possible to write anything and receive a meaningful response? 😉 Look at this, we've been mocking each other for two pages now, and still, not a single concrete or constructive suggestion has been put on the table All we do is say we're against something, or that we're dissatisfied, or that we wish someone would just fix something
My dear friends, that is not how things work, and that is not how you get things done Not in Politics, not on Reddit, and certainly not in life
Sarah Wilson95, you can see for yourself that you always have something to say about everyone here. And honestly, you're just one of many users on this forum. Granitefox16 is like this, Mark Twain is like that, driftingdriver is no good, but Jeremy Wilson3 is even worse, and the observer is... I think it’s become a perfectly legitimate question at this point: what is it that you people actually want?? Do you want us to just scrap moderation on Politics for a trial run?? For a whole month?? Has any single one of you ever actually paused to reflect on yourselves and the things you post? Has anyone ever considered the possibility that they were the ones who messed up, and the moderator was simply reacting and doing exactly what their job requires?? I've met a few such individuals over on Reddit, and I must say they were a breath of fresh air, but the vast majority of people operate either from a massive sense of self-importance or by following the Submissiveness Inc. principle. From my perspective, the Politics moderators are always viewed as being incompetent or somehow at fault. The left thinks they're right, the right thinks they're right... OF COURSE, there is a certain percentage of mistakes made on their end, but those instances truly vanish into a sea of nonsense, fanaticism, and insane attempts to prove one's own RIGHTS (while the part about obligations is written in font size 1).
Given the current atmosphere of intolerance, I can only propose the following: 1. Get rid of that PDF-politik madness. 2. Abolish the warnings on the Politics section and hand out nothing but bans. Then, we'll see whether the crowd dwindles down to just those who lack the ability to discuss or communicate, or if a group will emerge—those slightly further along the evolutionary chain—who will finally bring some quality discussions to the table.
granitefox16, that wasn't an excuse, it was an explanation Look, we’re just human beings; we’re subjective, we have this desperate need to be right, and we harbor a deep-seated resentment toward authority—or what some people claim to be "authority"... We also love to preach about setting boundaries, yet those very boundaries never seem to apply to ourselves because, in our own minds, we’re always technically correct, aren't we? 🙂 And so we wind up in this cycle where, no matter what a moderator decides to do or not do, there’s always someone standing in the corner ready to take issue with it. It’s quite simple, really; it’s just a matter of large numbers, especially when you consider how heavily Politics influences things here. Until we learn that having a debate doesn't mean we've become enemies or entered a state of total warfare, we’ll just keep seeing endless threads of nonsense and bans flying everywhere, leaving moderators with neither the time nor the actual capacity to step in and steer the conversation back on track. I’ll admit, it isn't pleasant to witness, but unfortunately, this is our reality and it represents our true level of pluralism, democracy, and willingness to actually engage in dialogue.
We all know that moderators aren't just appointed by decree; they’re supposed to be chosen from among the users, specifically from the better ones. So how is it that all these users suddenly turn sour the moment they get a moderator badge, becoming overnight legends of being bad and dishonest? It’s a bit hard to swallow the idea that some vague, virtual power somehow corrupts them all, without exception. 🙂
wiredsailor10, once you step into the role of a moderator, you simply can't win by being reasonable 😉 it’s always the same story, honestly—you’ll inevitably find someone ready to call you biased, illiterate, or just plain arrogant... it’s a basic human instinct, I suppose, which is easy to understand, but you eventually realize that this constant scrutiny also strips away a certain level of professional gravity