Frank Harrigan said:Duh, obviously there's a difference. The only guy here who spoke out against FF—while casually dropping names like U2, Oasis, or Queen—is basically the last person you could call an indie snob. You might as well have said he was a heavy metal snob, so sure, let's just say our definitions of "the same thing" vary.
just for you; "wiredfalcon2's definition of an indie snob"
- carbon-based, mostly 70% water, usually sporting some non-committal hairstyle, rarely bald, and convinced that anything worth listening to happened decades ago or involves a band that sold fewer than 62 albums—or, in the absolute worst-case scenario, Nirvana. 😁 They love acting all high-and-mighty and well-versed in everything, especially that niche, low-selling scene where they pull out obscure band names just to mask their own frustrations about not fitting into some imaginary mainstream. Then this specimen runs away from reality without ever actually facing it, while the non-indie, non-snobs are out there just living their lives, feeling the heat, and enjoying themselves. * half the time, indie snobs and owners of failed garage bands can barely play their instruments.
Man, this forum is just crawling with these insufferable, "my-band-is-the-only-one-that-matters" indie snobs. Franz is absolutely spitting facts when he says this stuff drives people insane, and honestly, it’s the only truth worth hearing. Look, you can hate it all you want, but they swept those awards for a reason. We haven't seen a decent—if I can use the term loosely—indie-snob... 😁 post-punk-disco-rock outfit in forever. It's just pure, unadulterated chaos...
I don't even get what your deal is... is it just jealousy? 🙂
Hi, yeah, the song has three riffs. Big deal. And "Everything in Its Right Place"? It’s got one melody—okay, fine, it's on the keys, but still, just one simple thing—and I’d listen to it on my deathbed. Because it kicks ass. What, everyone needs to be like Tool now? Or King Crimson? Or those weirdos from Iceland, Sigur Rós? Nah. They made two music videos, sure, and then they sold out... 🙄
crimsonbear5 said:honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this point.🙂 🙂 🙂 The Prodigy being more influential than Nirvana? Dude, you’re out of your mind. Look, I’m not some hardcore Nirvana fanatic or anything, but let's be real—Nirvana was massive. Way bigger than The Prodigy ever touched. You can't even put them in the same sentence. Don't get me wrong, The Prodigy is alright, but still.
Seems like you weren't really paying attention to the thread, so I'll let it slide. Just do me a favor and actually read what's going on before posting next time. thanks.
Rolling Stones - Paint It, Black
p.s. where's Pritt to explain what that word means?
Kevin Chavez3 : Has anyone ever told you what an arrogant prick you are?
np Ramones - We're a happy Family
Yeah. I mean... plenty of people. Yeah. I get it. but mostly just on forums... you know how it is. I'm just some frustrated kid who acts cocky online because in real life I'm just a total pushover. Plus I'm an introvert. This is where I vent, play the genius, act superior—it's my total alter ego.
So now you know. Cool?
@ hollowseal33; yeah, you caught me. I fell right into your trap, acted like a complete brat, I admit it. Honestly though, I couldn't care less. And what exactly was the trap? My plan was just to provoke you guys under the assumption that you'd react exactly the way you did. Mission accomplished. On another note, I've got a seminar with Professor Miller over at the state university, thanks for asking. The TA hasn't even decided what we need for the mandatory paper yet, thanks for asking, you can basically pick any topic and have some psychologist analyze it. That's where my "plan" from a few lines up meets my actual schoolwork.
And I see you're out here judging people based on a thirty-minute drunken encounter at a dive bar where we barely exchanged three sentences. Or did you mistake me for someone else? hm... anyway... what does that even mean, flamer? I haven't been on forums long enough to catch all the jargon, so, be so kind and explain it to your "I still think you're an idiot" friend.
but honestly, yours doesn't look much better either, considering I knew exactly what you were gonna say the second I typed my last thought...
man, I'm gonna have enough material for a psychology seminar to drown in. just piles of it... endless stuff...
thanks everyone, seriously... love you guys.
at least I won't have to spend all my time digging up what some "legendary" psychologists had to say a century ago just so I can tear them apart because some newer "big shots" found flaws in their work...
long live Freud! 😁
nah, alright, maybe that burst of euphoria hit me a little too hard just now.... things will settle down.
Did I ever actually say *in Utero* wasn't their best record? Because I didn't.
Besides, I'm not some high school kid. I don't get why everyone's so triggered by teenagers and puberty. Honestly, that’s when your brain is actually firing on all cylinders. You can process info, think critically, learn more than at any other point...
First off... looks like I was the first one to start trashing Nirvana, so might as well see this through to the end...
Look, Timothy Jones85, I couldn't care less about Nirvana or who they influenced. It doesn't move the needle for me. If they influenced every band I listen to, then cool, but honestly, I don't give a damn.
It’s just hilarious, and it always will be, watching you Nirvana zealots get all worked up whenever someone takes a swipe at your favorite band. Your go-to response is always the same: "You just don't get it!"...
See, that right there is what's funny to watch... even when hollowseal33 calls me stupid, even though she has no clue I'm just messing with everyone, including her...
Whatever... you make me sick and I make fun of you. 😁
Just one little question before I go;
Take a high school class in some major US city—not some rural town, an urban area—or maybe a group of college students. Just a typical group of 30 teenagers... and what do you get..??
Out of those 30;
5 of them have zero musical identity... they don't listen to anything, haven't heard of anything, they don't even know how to tune a radio station.
15 of them listen to Madonna-style crap... you know, that R&B, dance, mindless garbage...
Of the remaining 10.....
5 are rockers and five are the types pretending to be intellectuals. The 5 pretenders—meaning they listen to hip hop or some extreme stuff like Norah Jones.
Now, of those 5 rockers; 1 is a punker 2 are actual rockers (who listen to everything) 1 is a grunge kid And 1 is the guy trying to force his taste on everyone else...
Right?
So how the hell is one rock band supposed to flip the script? They can't, man. A change in fashion—just as an example—isn't going to change those 15 people listening to trash plus the 5 who just want to fit in because of Madonna, not because of Nirvana! It's been like this since forever, and it's still like this... just with different anomalies.
And why do you guys think grunge was bigger than nu-metal? By CD sales? I highly doubt it. Just imagine if the Korn singer died under suspicious circumstances at the height of their fame, and for the next 10 years, there was this massive myth-making surrounding the band and the singer. Imagine them being branded one of the most influential acts of all time, repeated a million times, and then ten years later they drop a "Best Of" Korn album, remastered, with two unreleased tracks, some extras, photos... whatever...
You really think that wouldn't sell 50 million copies in the first month? Not a chance, man.
Or imagine if Nirvana had released two more crappy albums after in Utero... they would've faded into obscurity. Critics would've torn them apart, fans would've called them sellouts... and boom, goodbye.
You guys almost completely ignore the power of the media, which is huge in creating myths. The circumstances (the sketchy death), playing the martyr... the interesting life stories... and presto, you've got a polished product. The music itself is the least important part.
I mean, did Madonna ever call Korn three times begging them to work with her, or Prodigy? No.
And lines like "Nirvana is the biggest band since the Beatles"... please. That's just ignoring fifty years of history... it's ridiculous.
Besides, Nirvana didn't pave the way for alternative; The Clash and the punk movement did that long before them... especially The Clash.
Anyway, bye. All this fighting over nothing... you guys are pathetic...
You ever actually listen to the Pixies? They were basically the blueprint for Radiohead. And honestly, The Bends doesn't even sound grunge to me... at least not in the way Nirvana did. For what it's worth, I think The Bends blows anything Nirvana ever put out of the water.
p.s. I never said Prodigy was the most influential band of the nineties. I said they had more impact on the electro scene than Nirvana had on rock. Big difference.
And if you think RATM tried to capture that Prodigy vibe... just go read the interview on their official site after they dropped Renegades. It’s right there—Brad and Tom explaining stuff that clearly went over your heads. Plus, Tom was already working with Prodigy back in '96; they even have that track "One Man Army" together.
Also, Dredg isn't part of the mainstream zeitgeist. I never said that. I don't know how you guys managed to misinterpret that.
Timothy Jones85 said:you're such a sweetheart, coming back with these little rhymes🙂 damn, puberty sounds lovely👍 hang in there, champ, keep on rockin' yeahh👋
not sure if puberty is actually "lovely," I haven't even hit that stage yet... 😢
@ Daniel Bailey7; why isn't anyone listening to System of a Down during puberty? @ hollowseal33; LOL @ Walter Foster52; yeah, like whatever...
My question is... after realizing that about 90% of music articles whenever a new band pops up start with the phrase... "influenced by Nirvana..." which led me to the realization that they were influenced by Nirvana....
radiohead (hahahahahahahaha) muse (hahahahahahahahaha) franz ferdinand (hahahahhahahahaha)
so what is this, every single band that uses guitars is somehow under the Nirvana umbrella?
seems to me that, say, in the 90s, a way more influential band was The Prodigy, who shaped the entire scene that had any connection to electronic music, and they did it so hard that people basically just copied their musical tricks and vibes, eventually even bleeding into rock (Rage Against the Machine, for example—read up on what they were trying to pull off with Street Fighting Man, trying to sound like Prodigy)... and don't try to sell me that crap about the club scene being smaller or less important than some quasi-grunge movement. please...
or look at hip-hop today... it's broken into every genre... from R&B to metal... (even Thom is trying to rap in Wolf at the Door)... whereas grunge, besides not being revolutionary (we had punk-rock before it), didn't break through or influence anyone outside of a bunch of depressed kids with long hair... of which there were many, but the other crowd was way, way bigger....
I see those little wishes you've got scribbled on the wall... and honestly? I don't care. I watch you scramble just to make a phone call... acting like you're finally free.... Your life and mine... they aren't even in the same universe.... And that's just how it is...
So what, we’re basing everything on some study done with thirty kids?
I’m positive those thirty kids all know who Britney Spears is... but on the flip side, if even one of those thirty knows who Dredg is, I’m calling bullshit. Right now.
I don't like Nirvana. Never have.
The only thing big about Nirvana is how the media turned them into absolute clowns, and they were dumb enough to just roll with it. And all that hype surrounding the suicide... they just manufactured a martyr out of him, and why? Because he was a junkie. That's it. How many kids survive shitty divorces or domestic abuse at home without turning into a complete wuss and spiraling on drugs and whining every single day?
There were plenty of more influential bands before and after Nirvana. Give me a break...
And what exactly is supposed to be so musically revolutionary about Nirvana? Like, you guys had never heard punk rock before?
This whole thread has turned into a total joke. I didn't ask which team you’d love to score a last-minute winner against; I asked which games you’d actually want to play in... because of the atmosphere, the fans, the stadium...
And who the hell wants to be out there scoring goals anyway? Is nobody here actually itching to step into the gloves and be the goalie?
The question wasn't about which match you'd want to win... it was about which one you'd want to play.
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A critical review? Seriously? You want me to sit here and dissect things like some pretentious critic with a clipboard? Fine. But don't expect me to sugarcoat anything or give you some polished, academic nonsense. I’m just gonna say what I think, straight up, without all the fluff. If you're looking for a deep dive into why everything is falling apart or why certain tracks hit harder than others, I'm your guy. Just don't ask me to be nice. Most stuff out there is garbage anyway. I'm not here to write about anything genius. I just deal in human stupidity.