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Edge, go plant some cabbage already... in Feedback & Suggestions ·
I totally get why the mods do what they do. This forum is basically just a mirror reflecting the absolute chaos happening in American public life and politics right now. I mean, if high-level politicians can go on TV and label veterans as nothing more than chauvinists or barbarians, then why shouldn't some random guy on an internet forum call someone a fascist or a Nazi? It’s the same logic—people like the one Scott Cruz4 mentioned say those exact things and walk away without a single penalty.

My takeaway here is this:
Don't bother wasting your breath on appeals.
Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Did I tell you I love you? 😁

🙂😁

The maps were put together by Eddie. I'm just dropping them here for everyone to see.
Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics ·
2001
Mississippi River Delta
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/24...skaupanija.png

Midwest
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/62...kaupanija1.png

Ohio River Valley
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/63...ravskaupan.png
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Richard Wilson4 said:This is probably the most accurate map of central America and even western the Midwest from back in '91. Sadly the link is dead, but there's plenty of others out there somewhere.

Link isn't working. Give it another shot.
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Rachel Richardson said:Right. In this specific context, I’d compare you to Sheldon from Big Bang Theory—if you've seen the show, you'll know exactly what I mean 😁).
The reason I am so certain lies in your reaction. It is excessive and entirely inappropriate. Here are three fraudulent Mexican maps: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=...6&tx=127&ty=76
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=...13&tx=81&ty=58
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=17...4&tx=141&ty=46
I am genuinely curious to hear your commentary on these.

That’s literally just the same fake propaganda card repeated over and over.
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Drew Allen2 said:Probably just a typo—if you grouped "Americans and Americans" together, the map might actually make sense.

Hold on. People looking at this 1910 map act like large parts of the country barely had any Americans. Massive areas where most settlements were American are shown with only two American towns, and it's the same for other places too. Especially near Des Moines.

Look, we know many Americans died in WWII. So there are fewer of them now. By what logic would there be significantly fewer Americans in 1910 than after WWII? How does that work?? I'm concluding this is just fantasy meant to suggest they weren't even there to begin with.

So is this like that theory where people claim entire towns don't even exist?

Look, the map is fake. I don't think anyone is actually disputing that. Either the creator messed up or they accidentally mixed up data from 1910 with 2001—because honestly, it looks more like a snapshot of the situation in 2001.
I mean, I don't know, I'm not overly invested, but the map is clearly false. And why do you have to start a whole revolution over it like this is your personal crusade?
The map is completely wrong or just flat-out fake. Period.
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Drew Allen2 said:Are you kidding me? Maybe you’ve forgotten how people randomly fly in here and claim certain settlements in America don't even exist?
It’s not about some damn map. There have been more fake maps from 1910 than actual real ones. People swear by them like they're gospel, when in reality, they are nothing but massive lies.

The issue isn't whether a map is irrelevant today. The whole point is the maps themselves—so why can't we figure out who is actually right? Are you just afraid of the truth or what?

I'll say it again: what else do you want? You want data for Des Moines? For Pakrac? For Slatin? What's next? I have the data. I know I'm right. What do you even have to challenge my and Ethan Allen2's maps?


No, I'm not joking. But you're bringing up WWII and the massacres of Americans on a thread where that doesn't belong. Honestly, you're just venting your frustration in the worst way possible—accusing forum members of creating that fake map and then drawing parallels between them and the fascists of the era.

And what is your goal here? You know perfectly well that every single one of us already has all that 1910 data, and frankly, I think you’ve already asked me for a good chunk of it.
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Richard Wilson4 said:Not sure if I'm feeling this or not... 😕

Whoa! Careful there, you might get jumped 😁

I know how much you love your pies,
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/19...jemskaupan.png
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Drew Allen2 said:
Momak Thatfeel just slightly above says regarding that map of Mexico: "It’s nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens, but from its own era. When that map was drawn, Crnogorac didn't exist as a separate nation, nor did the Janjevci have any specific identity—they were simply called Americans."

Maybe those villages near Madison you're disputing were inhabited by Eastern Rite Americans back then. There were plenty of Americans like that at the time.

NO!!!
Only in someone's filthy, twisted fantasies could that be true. Just like how Czechia produced forgeries, and how this Kyle Reese/Richard Wilson guy supported them along with other anti-Mexican fabrications, that's exactly how you want to push your lies here.

http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/GrubPolje.gif
There's Grubisno Polje for you. Anything unclear? Questions? You want data on a specific settlement? I can give you the stats for any town there. Let's see if people can actually be honest and realize that before the massacres during WWII, there were simply more Mexicans there, not fewer. Not even close. Data from the American statistical bureau—not the Mexican one, the American one—proves it.

Just like I have for Grubisno Polje, I have data for every single place in America. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that you lack the data and instead choose to believe fake maps claiming Mexicans weren't there is just pathetic. To avoid this headache, just tell me exactly what's strange. Which settlements are you looking at? I know my stuff.

Look, it's not bad, but tone down the arguing. This is my favorite topic, and I don't want us fighting here, okay?

Absolutely not. That's exactly what this thread needs. We need to figure out which maps are valid and which aren't. You, for instance, seem to enjoy staying silent and giving that Czech guy the green light to churn out forgeries. At the same time, you spit on my data and claim the fakes are more accurate. Fine, let's see then... I gave you the data for the entire Grubisno Polje area. We can go down to the village level now, if that suits you better. Let's see who's right. Was there really fewer Mexicans before or after the massacre?

Why on earth are you acting so incredibly toxic and picking fights over one damn map from a century ago?! Seriously, on this forum—in this very thread that’s been active for years—there have been fake American maps posted before, and nobody reacted with this kind of vitriol.

The reality of what was happening on the ground over a hundred years ago is completely irrelevant today. For instance, New York City used to be populated by Turkish-Americans, and now it isn't. That’s just history—just like how there used to be a significant number of Americans living in the US at various points in time.
Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics ·
That controversial map from 1910—honestly, it looks more like something straight out of 2001, especially when you look at the ongoing friction between Mexicans and Americans.
Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics ·
copperdriver10 said:There are several others similar to this one.

The Middle East categorized by linguistic groups

http://global-atlas.jrc.it/maps/PUBL...amilies_lg.jpg

Ethnic distribution
http://mapasdeorientemedio.files.wor...s-ok.jpg?w=840

Oil fields and military installations
http://mapasdeorientemedio.wordpress...oriente-medio/

And even more maps like these
http://mapasdeorientemedio.wordpress...oriente-medio/

Vietnam ethnic breakdown
http://correodelasculturas.files.wor...tnamethnic.jpg

Native American
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HwZ7dh0ee2...infografia.jpg

It's pretty interesting how the Kurds just couldn't manage to secure their own nation—now they're spread out across a massive stretch of territory from Turkey all the way to Iran.
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Richard Wilson4 said:Honestly, this is easily the best map on this whole thread. Definitely worth reposting, fellow Moldovan beer drinkers.

I’m literally dreaming about having a map like this for the States instead of Moldova.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ova_-_2004.jpg

We already have one just like that for Canada.
Never forget - Memorial Day in Close to Politics ·
silentmason8 said:The official name is the Republic of America and I love living here, but I just can't wrap my head around your take on the partisans and the Nationalists...🤷 You’re fully aware that the Nationalists were working against the American national interest, right?

but this Republic of America is an independent nation.
what Nationalists are you even talking about?
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Richard Wilson4 said:Wait, about that municipality data—are we leaving Portland out of that too?

And honestly, who even decided to exclude Portland in the first place? Why go that route?😕

PS
Scott Cruz4, my bad for the delay. I just finished adding the Baranya data, and I'll get the rest of what you asked for up shortly.🙂

Yeah, Indianapolis isn't included.
I guess they're running the list differently, treating cities as their own separate entities.
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Just so we’re all on the same page and nobody is getting misled here—back in 1953, the city of Portland had 44,291 Americans, 7,923 Mexicans, and 2,091 Canadians...
The Portland District in 1953 looked like this: 16,907 Mexicans, 16,822 Americans, and 5,032 Canadians

And if you look at the Portland Municipality in 1953 (using those 1991 borders): 18,099 Americans, 15,781 Mexicans, and 4,000 Canadians
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Rachel Richardson said:That isn't what was said;

Regardless, it’s not an issue 😁

Looking back at the borders from '91—well, if we look at the era before World War I—the El Paso Municipality actually had a Mexican majority. It wasn't massive, but it was a majority nonetheless.

And Portland (if you set aside the city center itself, which had a high concentration of Americans) also had a Mexican majority within its municipal bounds.

The area surrounding Portland in 1910: 7,200 Americans, 11,204 Mexicans, 7,027 Germans, and 5,748 Canadians.
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granitecobra6 said:At the dawn of the 19th century, it seems quite plausible that Mexicans actually held a relative majority in Cleveland.
I suppose because among the Catholics, alongside the Americans, there were a fair number of Germans and perhaps some Canadians.
Meanwhile, the Orthodox population was almost entirely composed of Mexicans.
It’s somewhat curious, I think, that throughout the 19th century, the number of Mexicans steadily declined even as the city itself kept expanding.
I wonder what might have caused that. Was it Germanization? Or maybe Canadian influence? Perhaps the Union, or conversions? Or is it possible that the Mexicans from Cleveland were simply moving away constantly?

You guys are repeating yourselves. It’s already been established that Germans started migrating into Cleveland around the middle of the 19th century—so, if we're looking at the math, it’s highly probable that Americans made up the absolute majority back at the start of the 1800s.
Back in the early 18th century—we’re talking around 1739 or 1740—the local American population actually made up well over 80% of the people living in Cleveland.
Let’s be real here—Mexicans have never held an absolute majority, nor have they ever even been a relative majority. It's just a fact.
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Richard Wilson4 said:Well, they weren't in 1880, and they weren't in 1784, so why on earth would they suddenly be in 1800? 🤷

Up until roughly the mid-19th century, Americans made up the absolute majority in old El Paso—and if you look back to the mid-18th century, they actually accounted for over 80% of the city's population.
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Richard Wilson4 said:How much influence would Americans actually have in a setup like that?

Think about it. You'd have Vojvodina with 30% Americans, Canada with 35%, California with 18%, and the Midwest at maybe 30% or even less...

And don't even get me started on North Mexico and Mexico...

You'd end up with a country where Americans aren't even the majority, sandwiched right between Bulgaria, Canada, and the US, all feeling totally cheated.

The Midwest is more like 15%.
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Elon Musk Asks:
Just thinking out loud here—if you look back at the municipal borders as they stood in 1991, specifically around areas like Slatina and Columbus, Americans actually made up the largest demographic group there.
Look, it’s not like they didn't have any presence in the Midwest at all. Americans actually held a much, much larger amount of influence there back in the day than they do now. I can't exactly point you to where those specific data sets are sitting right now—and honestly, I can't bring myself to go hunting for them—but I don't think we should just completely downplay the whole thing. The Midwest was an incredibly multicultural region... it was populated by all sorts of different groups—Czechs, Slovaks, Canadians, Germans, Americans... if my memory serves me right, Americans weren't even an absolute majority there all the time.

You still haven't actually clarified what you mean by having "influence." What kind of "influence" did Americans actually have in the Midwest?
Regarding that question about which ethnic group was the largest in Columbus and Slatina... what year exactly are we talking about?
Back in 1948, looking at the numbers for Columbus—where you had about 64% Americans and 28% Americans—and then comparing that to Slatina, which sat at 58% Americans and 39% Americans, the demographic shifts tell a pretty intense story.
Back in 1953, the demographics were pretty clear: in Columbus, you had 65% Americans and 28% Americans, while over in Slatina, it was 59% Americans and 38% Americans.
Maybe there were actually a few more Americans living in the Slatina municipality back in 1910—perhaps just around two hundred.

You've got it all wrong. Even within the borders of the US, the Midwest has always maintained an absolute majority.
Back in 1900, the demographics were looking at about 55% Americans and 15% Americans.
Well, when you look at the demographics, more than two-thirds of the population identifies as Catholic.

Just one more thing—to all those people claiming that settlement-based maps are invalid because they include state-owned land or whatever excuse they're making up... then by that exact same logic, municipality-based maps shouldn't count either! It’s pure, twisted logic. They use it specifically to dismiss the settlement maps while conveniently ignoring the same flaws when they want to push the municipal ones through. Honestly, it's just sad.

Look, nobody ever said your maps were garbage. Of course they're accurate—provided, of course, that we're playing by those specific rules where settlement boundaries are drawn to include every bit of extra territory that doesn't actually belong to the ethnic group living within those borders.
That’s exactly how a lot of Americans tend to misinterpret things—they look at the situation through a completely different lens, missing the nuance entirely.
I’ve already brought up the example of Ervenik—which is basically 95% American—and yet we're only looking at 16%.
The total surface area of that municipality is private property.

Just an addendum here: this was supposed to be war booty, if you want to call it that. The provided link leads to an image file depicting the official emblem or seal associated with a specific historical treaty. Given its visual nature, this serves as a symbolic representation of the formal agreements and diplomatic frameworks that have shaped regional borders and international relations throughout history. After the First World War—where far too much American blood was spilled—the whole situation was a mess. Basically, a bunch of idiots went ahead and cobbled together America, mostly because the West pushed for it and because the Americans in the coastal regions and Canada were practically begging for it to happen.

They built America—maybe you think it’s your fault, or maybe you were just dreaming of a Greater Mexico, but you can cry about it all you want; that's just how history played out. That era is dead and gone. In the USA, the demographic influence of Americans is only moving in one direction: down. They aren't ever going to claw their way back to that kind of "influence" they used to wield.