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Michelle Collins said:If I were in your shoes, having dealt with both doctors you mentioned, I’d suggest heading over to the Forest to see Dr. Carić. He’s in the clinic on Mondays from 9 to 2 and Thursdays from 9 to 2. There is a massive difference between them, and once you go, you’ll understand exactly why I’m telling you this..

Carić or Savic?

Since you brought up both names, it's a bit hard to tell which one you're actually asking about...
Michelle Scott19 said:You’re right, I wouldn't have even thought to grab half of that stuff 🙂..
As for the prep work, I think I can manage to get everything done in time..
And thanks for the heads-up about the wait; I honestly assumed that if my admission was set for the 19th, the surgery would happen that very same day..
I'll pack a few books to bring along; whatever happens, at least I won't be bored, and they'll be good for the recovery period too..

I'm so sorry your first experience ended up being such a mess..

But generally speaking, if I understood correctly, you don't end up staying longer than a week, right?

I've actually been obsessively watching my immune system for the last month 😁. It really wouldn't be ideal to catch a cold right now..

Regarding 'medications,' I'm not taking anything currently, though I am taking some supplements..
I know you need to stop Omega-3 about two weeks before surgery, so I'll probably drop that starting tomorrow..
However, I'm not sure if vitamins are okay. Right now, I'm taking extra Vitamin C just to ward off any bugs..
And looking at my whole to-do list, I realized I completely forgot to ask the doctor about that specific detail 😛..
I know nothing is entirely risk-free—for instance, Vitamin K affects blood clotting..
I'll definitely need to double-check that in the next few days..

Thanks so much for all this information 😉..

If you're admitted on the 19th, there's really little to no chance they'll operate on Friday the 20th. That means you'd likely be free for the weekend, and since he runs his clinic on Mondays, they won't be operating then either. At that point, we're getting close to Christmas and the holiday season kicks in... but I honestly don't know when they might finally fit you in 😕 Plus, if he gets stuck on an overnight call, he won't be performing surgeries the following day...
Honestly, you should just ask them.
Are you heading to Mount Sinai to see the anesthesiologist before you're admitted? If you go there, make sure to check in with the department (it's in the new building above the ER) so you actually know what the plan is.
The thing is, if they do decide to operate on the 20th, you'll have to fast on the 19th. I can't quite recall the exact rules for when you can last eat or drink...

You probably won't feel like reading much right after the procedure because your eyes will be blurry, and frankly, you won't be in the mood for it, believe me. Once it's over, the most important thing is to rest, sleep, and eat so you can recover quickly—nothing else matters. If you can't handle solid food immediately, they'll give you blended meals (in my case, the tube scratched my throat so bad I couldn't touch solid food, only blends, and even that stung where the scratch was). Make sure you eat as soon as you're allowed after the anesthesia wears off, because that fuel is vital for healing.

It might actually be a wise move to just stop all supplements, vitamins, or any kind of chemical intervention before the surgery; it all plays a role.

I don't think there's any way you'll be stuck there for more than a couple of days after the operation if everything goes smoothly 🙂
Michelle Scott19 said:I’m just a couple of weeks away from surgery now😁..
Alex Moore62 thanks so much for providing that number, but there's no need, I've managed to find everything out myself..
I finally received the paperwork detailing all the tests I need to get done..
It looks like my surgery isn't being pushed back, which is a relief since I found out just in time to actually get everything finished..

Regarding that post on the previous page about what supplies to pack🙏🙂..

By the way, do you happen to know roughly how many days one usually stays in the hospital?

Don't mention it, I'm happy to help; I remember exactly how it feels when you're facing your first surgery😉
The main thing is just getting those tests and the anesthesiologist appointment squared away, and then you'll have some downtime once they admit you🙂 Usually, they bring you in for hospitalization on your scheduled date, but then they often send you home—especially if you're coming from somewhere like NYC—to wait right up until the procedure itself, because the surgical schedule can be unpredictable. When I went in for my first one, the doctor was traveling, so I just sat there waiting for his return, and for my second, everything stalled because the anesthesiologists were out sick during flu season, so they had to cancel. If you end up stuck in the hospital waiting for your slot, definitely bring something to read or listen to for those few days😉 What is your exact admission date?

As for the recovery, everything depends on your specific situation—how extensive or complicated the procedure was and how your body responds, so it's really an individual thing. During my first time, things got a bit messy with some bleeding (I didn't have tampons, it was more like splints or whatever they call them), my CRP levels spiked, and they had me on an IV for antibiotics, so I ended up staying longer. My second time was a much smaller operation, and I think I was able to head home after just two days.

Edit: I forgot to mention one more thing—it's a good idea to focus on boosting your immune system before the big day, so try to avoid crowded places like public transit or anything similar. I know that while you're getting your tests done, you'll be surrounded by plenty of sick people, so stay as careful as you can. Also, pay close attention to any medications you aren't supposed to take beforehand—I believe it's noted in your paperwork (for instance, oral contraceptives might need to be stopped a month prior to prevent bleeding issues). It should also specify the prep requirements, like not having nail polish on, etc.—just review everything carefully and follow the instructions to the letter.
Chloe Murphy35 said:The gentleman doctor didn't actually suggest anything specific to me; he just told me to leave it alone and that it would settle down on its own. Clearly, I shouldn't have listened. Just this morning, following your advice, I picked up a 500 ml bottle of saline solution, and I've already burned through half of it. :'D But I have to admit, this stuff really works. Almost everything has cleared out, and I'm seeing bits of debris come out after every rinse. My breathing has improved, too—I can finally breathe clearly through both nostrils now.😁
Thanks for getting back to me, it really helped.🙏

Don't mention it, I'm just glad you're feeling better. 🙂
That doctor of yours makes me uneasy, though. He's not doing a great job. He absolutely should have recommended saline rinses; that's such a fundamental part of the process.
Chloe Murphy35 said:hey everyone
I have a question regarding breathing after having the packing removed. It’s been four days since they took them out, and I still can't breathe through either nostril. On my left side—which was actually the problem area before the surgery—everything is working perfectly, but the right side is just completely blocked. I'm wondering if this is just due to heavy buildup and blood clots, or if this is just my new reality. I've been scrolling through posts where people claim they could breathe perfectly the second the packing came out, and honestly, it's starting to get me a little depressed. It's day four and I haven't seen any progress yet. I would love to rinse my nose with saline, but my doctor specifically told me not to do that. Also, does the width of the nose decrease over time? The length and the profile look great so far, but in terms of width, I feel like I look like an aboriginal. My nose actually looks wider right now than it did before the surgery. I know it's just the swelling, but I have this nagging fear that it'll stay wide even after the inflammation goes down. :A little bit of comfort wouldn't hurt:.XD

Well, what kind of care did they actually recommend to you then? 😕 Because how else are you supposed to clear out all that junk that builds up inside?!

Every single time I've gone through this, I was told to do heavy rinsing multiple times a day using a concentrated saline solution (basically mixing two tablespoons of salt and two tablespoons of baking soda into half a liter of saline)—it's absolute torture and feels like rubbing salt in a wound, but it ensures nothing nasty settles in there. Using a Neti pot is easily the easiest way to get it done.
I if there’s even such a thing as a general rule when dealing with private companies...
analogotter43 said:In reality, her surgery was scheduled right after that first consultation because the issue was so clear that a second opinion felt redundant. After she finished her blood work and met with the anesthesiologist, the doctor mentioned that the person who initially examined her was "just" a resident, which I suppose led her to conclude that he wouldn't be the one actually performing the procedure. 🤷

As for gifting doctors—which we're calling bribery here—in a country where you're separated from the rest of the civilized world by just a single border, it isn't just common practice; it’s practically a prerequisite if you want to be taken seriously. It doesn't matter if your life hangs in the balance; especially in surgical departments where urgent intervention is needed, they leverage that necessity. Some of them even have their own set price lists, and I know that from firsthand experience. That's precisely why I asked, out of a genuine fear that a single bottle of wine might be the deciding factor in whether a job is performed sloppily or not. :/

I can't speak for the local hospital in Washington, D.C., but if the medical center claims the person who examines you is the one who operates, then she should probably just ask for confirmation from that specific doctor. 🤷

Like I said before, I have no personal experience with bribery, nor do I intend to engage in it. Obviously, in the desperate situation you're describing, you might feel forced to hand over cash just to survive, which is a complete catastrophe. If everyone were in that position with no other choice, we'd all be doing it. Over here in the States, that's unthinkable, but in the North America, it's treated like a folk tradition, and immoral, unethical doctors clearly exploit that. Fortunately, not everyone is cut from that cloth.

However, if you know there's an established price list somewhere, then that is straight-up bribery paid in advance. What I was referring to was a gesture of appreciation, a small token given after the procedure as a way of saying thank you because I chose to do so, not because anyone demanded it.

I know two people who had surgeries at the ENT department in the big city hospital, and neither of them ever breathed a word about bribery. I imagine they would have spoken up if they had encountered anything like that. 🤷
Betty Edwards22 said:Alright, let’s just settle this one point—specifically the definition of mythology, since the woman being discussed was exclusively referring to what you’ve categorized as mere "attention-seeking." Given that context, it felt pointless to me to dive into mythology when nobody was actually bringing it up or even hinting at it in the first place.

No big deal, hopefully everything is clear now. 🙂

Even if it wasn't spelled out explicitly, I made a conscious effort to highlight the distinction.

One quick request—we all use you here on the forum, and informal communication is basically the standard regardless of how old we are, so there's really no need for any formal titles or being overly polite. 😉
Just a little extra advice here: besides grabbing those wet wipes for those days when you can't exactly hop in the shower, I’d say go ahead and pack some of your own standard toilet paper, just to be safe.
Betty Edwards22 said:It feels like you’ve framed the question of bribery in mythological terms, which I don't quite grasp given your previous comments about gifts. If my impression is off and I've misinterpreted your conclusion, could you perhaps elaborate on what specifically you meant?

You've misread me. I made it clear that I'm not talking about bribes, nor do I have any information or suggestions regarding them—aside from those persistent rumors that some doctors accept dirty money under the guise of "gifts," a topic I won't dwell on since, fortunately, I haven't experienced it myself. Unlike a bribe, a small gesture of appreciation or thanks for professional conduct and a job well done is, in my view, exactly what I was referring to. I suppose there isn't one standard way to handle this; everyone likely judges based on their own discretion and what they can afford. It usually depends on how well you know your doctor—maybe you bring them some bourbon if they like spirits, or a bottle of wine, or some local artisanal goods, or maybe just something from a farmer's market. 🤷
In any case, none of the surgeons I've dealt with prior to my surgery—people I entrusted with my physical well-being, having unfortunately undergone more procedures than I care to count—ever asked for anything; they simply performed their jobs professionally, and that is something I deeply respect.

However, there was one instance where I wasn't operated on by my scheduled surgeon—apparently, they shuffled the teams during a morning briefing at the hospital—but instead by some senior professor I had never met before. To put it bluntly, he didn't actually do the job, which resulted in me having to undergo a repeat surgery 🙂 . When I intentionally went back for a follow-up to look that idiot in the eye, besides the nonsense regarding my health issues—which he insisted didn't even exist—and his "recommendations" for further treatment that sounded more like something out of a fortune teller's handbook, he was incredibly blunt. He gave me a litany of vague excuses for why he failed to perform properly, and then told me directly, without any hesitation, that I really should have made an effort to get to know him and visit him before the surgery. It was made crystal clear to me that I should have essentially greased his palms. This was a doctor from Mercury, and his specialty had nothing to do with ENT; it was a completely different field altogether.

crimsonpanther8 said:Thanks for all this exhaustive advice 🙂. I have to admit, I hadn't planned on half of this, nor would I have thought to pack it if you hadn't mentioned it, but now I see it's necessary 😍 Thanks

I've been through two nose and sinus surgeries, so you pick up a bit of experience along the way 😁. Of course, it's not exactly fresh in my mind, so I might have missed something, but it's certainly solid advice to bring something like some Labelle items.

redcyclist99 said:I really appreciate all the advice here; you guys have been incredibly helpful. 🙂

It seems like her surgeon, who happens to be a resident, might have caused some confusion during the process. Thanks again 🙂

Don't mention it 🙂 I remember being in this exact same spot before my first surgery, absolutely terrified, and finding answers and firsthand experiences from people like you was the only thing that kept me level-headed.

Did she see this specific doctor frequently, or was he just the one she booked the procedure with? Usually, when you schedule an appointment, you're booking a specific physician 🤷 At a major hospital like Mayo Clinic, it’s entirely possible for a resident to handle the intake exam once you've been admitted for surgery, though I can't say for certain how their specific protocol works.
redcyclist99 said:Hey everyone, I’ve just finished reading through this entire thread from top to bottom, and I find myself left with a few lingering questions. If anyone happens to have a moment to lend a hand and share some insight, I’d truly appreciate it. 🙂

Is there anything a bit more unconventional that might actually make a hospital stay more bearable? I’ve already jotted down some basic notes, but I feel like I'm missing those little things that actually matter when you're stuck in a room all day.

Aside from the saline solution, is there anything else available over the counter at a pharmacy before surgery that might actually help with the recovery process? As for that antibiotic ointment you mentioned, is that something I can only pick up with a prescription once the procedure is already behind me?

Regarding the Vineyard location—the exam was conducted by a surgical resident, someone she hasn't actually met yet (she's a friend of his). If she eventually decides she wants to have that bump on her nose removed (since she's looking into septoplasty), does the actual surgeon perform the consultation before the procedure?

This might sound a bit ridiculous to some, but it’s a deeply ingrained tradition here in America. I was wondering what the standard practice is at Vineyard Hospital—is there an expectation to bring anything for the doctors or nurses after a surgery? You know, things like a bottle of wine or a box of chocolates?

🙂

When you're packing for the hospital, don't overlook the basics of what you'll actually be wearing. You really need to prioritize tops with wide necklines—something loose enough to slide on and off without any risk of tugging at a swollen, post-op nose. It’s a small detail that makes a massive difference in comfort. Also, pack more shirts than you think you'll need; things can get messy, and bloodstains are a reality you don't want to deal with when you're already feeling low. Lastly, stick to lightweight pajamas or lounge gear, because those hospital rooms tend to stay uncomfortably warm, regardless of the weather outside.

You really ought to pack some wet wipes and moist toilet paper for both basic hygiene and the restroom; once you’re out of surgery, you aren't exactly going to be sprinting to the shower anytime soon. It’s a bit like being sidelined after an injury where you can't even get the area wet—she had a burn on her hand that she had to keep bone-dry, so a full soak just wasn't on the table.

You might want to pick up some of those disposable toilet seat covers—the kind you use when you’re feeling completely out of it and can't exactly manage to balance yourself properly over the bowl. You can find those little packs, usually with that distinctive green branding, at places like Miller or even Walmart for just a couple of bucks. It wouldn't hurt to grab a pack of disinfectant wipes too, just to give the seat a quick scrub beforehand; I'm pretty sure they carry those at Miller or Walmart as well if my memory serves me right.

I should probably pick up some slippers for the bedroom and grab a pair of rubber flip-flops for the shower, just to be safe—you really don't want to risk catching some fungal infection or something similar while stepping into the tub.

If you’re planning to get any decent rest, you should probably bring your own pillow along. It's also worth throwing two extra pillowcases over it, just in case things get messy and there's some bleeding; that way, you aren't leaving a bloodstain for the next person to deal with by soaking directly into the cushion.

I’d suggest heading over to a local CVS or Walgreens to pick up a bulk pack of gauze pads—probably around 100 in a box. They usually come in standard sizes like 3x3 or 3x3.5 inches, though you're probably better off grabbing the larger ones if they have them. You can use these instead of tissues whenever there’s a bit of bleeding or spotting coming from your nose, whether you're still recovering at the hospital or back home. Gauze is much softer and gentler on the skin surrounding the nose, whereas paper tissues tend to feel pretty abrasive and harsh once your nose is already tender and sore from the procedure.

If you find yourself dealing with that stinging, raw sensation in your nose after too many tissues, honestly, nothing beats grabbing some calendula ointment from Walmart to soothe the irritation.

When you're recovering from surgery, don't go playing doctor with whatever ointment you find sitting on a drugstore shelf. You’ll likely be prescribed a specific antibacterial ointment for your nose, which the hospital staff will dictate as part of your post-op care plan. It’s best to follow their lead exactly; don't just grab something off the shelf at a local CVS or Walgreens without checking first. Just make sure to ask your surgical team for clear instructions before you leave the hospital—you need to know exactly what to apply and how to manage things once you're back home.

Whatever you do, don't go blowing your nose after surgery—that is strictly off-limits. I can't recall the exact timeline, but I'm fairly certain it’s at least a month, so you really ought to double-check with your surgeon to be safe. Instead of blowing, you have to rinse your nasal passages frequently throughout the day using a saline solution or a slightly more concentrated version—think salt and baking soda mixed in—exactly how your doctor prescribes. It’s honestly worth picking up a Rhino Horn or a similar sinus rinse device; it makes the whole process much more manageable. Since blowing is out of the question, you basically have to let everything drain down your throat and spit it out. If there’s anything stuck right at the opening of your nostrils, you can carefully clear it away with a Q-tip, but that's about as close to "cleaning" as you get.

Once you're through with surgery, there’s a certain discipline required regarding that blood you might feel trickling back toward your throat; you really shouldn't be swallowing it, as it can mess with your system. It's much better to just spit everything out as it comes.

I honestly don't understand how she could have missed seeing the surgeon. I mean, you aren't just handed over to some random person off the street; you're being operated on by your own doctor—the very person who’s been managing your care and with whom the entire procedure was coordinated. It’s not like you're walking into a walk-in clinic and getting treated by whoever happens to be on shift.

I make it a point never to offer any kind of kickback or bribe. However, once I was discharged from the hospital and went back for my first follow-up appointment at the department, I brought along some cookies, and I also picked up a little something for the doctor as a gesture of gratitude. If you happen to know the surgeon personally, you might have an idea of what they appreciate—maybe a nice bottle of wine, some high-end chocolate, or perhaps a premium olive oil... just whatever you feel is appropriate without overdoing it.

Wishing my friend the best of luck 🙂
Alex Hayes68 said:Hey there.
So, I’ve decided it’s finally time to sit down and share my whole experience regarding my nose surgery with all of you.
So, here’s the deal: I went under the knife about nine months ago for my first nose job—purely cosmetic, mind you—at a private clinic over in Washington, D.C.

After seven days of dealing with that heavy cast and those uncomfortable nasal tampons, I thought I finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel. My nose actually looked pretty flawless—sure, there was some swelling, but it was that "good" kind of swelling that you just have to wait out for a few months until everything settles down. But apparently, reality had other plans, because it hasn't subsided at all.It’s been eight months now, and I’m still dealing with this persistent swelling at the tip of my nose, along with a small bump that showed up out of nowhere after the fact.

I ended up laying out all my frustrations, my doubts, and those nagging fears directly to the surgeon who handled my initial procedure, and after walking him through everything, we managed to coordinate a date for the revision surgery pretty quickly.It’s been over a week now, and I can honestly say I’m feeling pretty satisfied with how things are playing out so far. That said, I’m holding off on making any grand declarations until the initial dust completely settles and I can see the long-term results. I’ll be sure to report back once I have the full picture—nothing beats a first-hand account....

So, you actually went through the trouble of signing up just because you saw an advertisement? 🙄

It feels like we’re missing a bit of basic logic here—if that swelling didn't subside even after eight months of waiting, what makes anyone think a single week is going to magically fix everything or that things are suddenly back to being "five out of five"? It seems a little optimistic to assume the inflammation will just vanish this time around.
Michelle Scott19 said:Thanks for the heads-up! I honestly had no idea... I have an appointment scheduled, but I messed up by not signing up for the surgery right after my exam at the front desk. It just slipped my mind, so I ended up trying to sort it out over the phone later... That’s probably why those papers never showed up. I’ll give them a call and try to get this squared away as soon as possible.

Don't mention it. 🙂
Just give them a call so you can get everything handled in time. 👍
You didn't actually sign up at the service window; it was done right inside the clinic area, where they schedule the outpatient exams. A nurse handles the scheduling—I think her name is Melita (I have her number somewhere, I'll dig it out and post it if I find it). At least, that was my experience, though I suppose things might have changed since then. 🤷
crimsonpanther8 said:I ended up at the hospital just to deal with a massive coagulation profile and the anesthesiologist, while everything else was handled through my local community clinics. My anesthesiologist handed me this yellow questionnaire after he already cleared me for surgery, and honestly, the thing is four pages long. 😁

In my experience, they hand you that questionnaire every single time you schedule a date, and you’re expected to bring the completed version straight to the anesthesiologist. They won't give the green light for the procedure without it, so it seems pretty strange that yours didn't show up until after the approval was already given. 😕 That paperwork contains vital information—stuff that could genuinely make or break the decision to move forward with the operation.
It’s clear that medical standards aren't a monolith; things vary wildly from one place to the next. 🤷
Michelle Scott19 said:With all these tests, there's just so much 😲... I’m assuming they’ll have me get everything sorted before the actual surgery, or at least that’s what I’m hoping for 🤣..

You generally need to receive a comprehensive checklist of required tests—which is quite a long list—to be completed in the month leading up to the procedure. You'll also be handed a questionnaire, similar to a four-page medical history form you might find at a major facility like Mayo Clinic, which needs to be filled out with absolute precision; skipping anything can cause issues. Typically, they provide this paperwork once your hospitalization date is officially scheduled, so if you haven't seen those documents yet, you’ll likely need to track them down.

Once you have your lab results and that completed questionnaire in hand, the next step is the anesthesiologist consultation. They are the ones who ultimately give the green light for the surgery. You actually have to schedule that appointment yourself; I handled mine at the local University Hospital because it was the most convenient option, and honestly, it usually makes sense to clear everything through the same institution performing the operation. That said, protocols regarding these specific screenings have been shifting lately, so it would be wise to double-check the current requirements with the hospital staff or your primary care physician.

And ladies, please don't let the anxiety get to you; everything is going to turn out fine. 🙂
Here’s the link to that old thread:
I can't quite recall if we were discussing him over there or if it was right here in this section.😕
frozenpilot60 said:Hey ladies (and guys)! 😉mig:

I'm thinking about getting a rhinoplasty with Dr. Tony Stark, so I was hoping all the girls (though guys are more than welcome too) could shoot me a DM with your experiences—maybe even some before and after photos and a little encouragement. Honestly, 😁 you all know that feeling 🙂... or maybe we can just find other women who are also planning surgery with him so we can support one another. I've scrolled through this entire thread and haven't seen much bad feedback regarding him, at least not until the very end. It seems like there's actually a fair amount of dissatisfied patients, but they just don't post about it here. I'm open to both the glowing reviews and the warnings. Thanks 😍

There were actually quite a few negative comments about Tony Stark. You might have missed them because there used to be two separate threads dedicated to nose jobs, but one got locked, so everyone just migrated over here.
jadewolf12 said:Thanks! Do you know if the wait times for an appointment in Chicago are usually pretty long?

It really all depends on which specialist you're trying to see. 🤷
I’ve shared my experience on this board quite a few times, but I had my procedure done by Dr. John Doe at Rib, and from what I know, he’s become so sought after over the last few years that they’ve mostly stopped taking new patients after the spring just because his schedule is completely slammed. Your best bet might be to email them your referral directly to request an appointment; that way you can get a feel for their current availability (though, honestly, you might find out they aren't even accepting new requests until the start of the new year, depending on how his practice has shifted lately).
Like you, I dealt with a deviated septum and allergic rhinitis that felt like my sinuses were stuck in a coma, and he cleared all of that right up for me. I didn't go in for any cosmetic changes since I didn't feel the need, but when he performs functional surgery, he tends to smooth out any bumps or irregularities if necessary—I actually remember someone else on this forum mentioning how he fixed a hump on his nose during his own septoplasty.
Best of luck 👍
jadewolf12 said:I've got a mild deviated septum along with some nasal mucosal hypertrophy, and I'm honestly sitting here wondering if surgery is actually necessary... plus, I'd really love to fix the shape of my nose, since there's a pretty prominent bump there. I need to schedule a consultation in Miami, but I was wondering if it's possible to get an appointment in Washington, D.C. or Indianapolis right away instead. Does anyone have any insight on how the scheduling works for that? thanks

You’re entitled to seek a second opinion, so just ask your primary care doctor to write you a referral. Head to Washington, D.C.
Betty Edwards22 said:Question (setting aside any external variables here): what was the actual motivation behind the second operation?

Are you looking for my two cents, or should we check in with Anita to get hers—plus whatever third opinion she's got brewing?