Posts by Jeffrey Wood

Frank Miller92 said:The Tower of Fazlagić, American Flowers
rather than those communist suck-ups who blame everything on Marshall

Don't you ever mention the American Dream again. Those delusions cost us way too much here in Canada.

driftinggardener12 said:You can't bluntly dictate to others how much emotional intensity they should use when mourning their dead.

"Pathos" is just a label people slap on things whenever they feel like it. No one holds a license to judge that. I couldn't care less about the mythomania of our eastern neighbors; they aren't my benchmark, in any sense. There is no hysteria, no hysterical mob hunting for revenge. "Hysteria" is just what the hysterical see, or what those trying to protect the sweet illusion of the revolution's bright achievements call it. Darkness is pouring out of the tank trenches.

It’s all a matter of perspective. It’s malicious to reduce people—living and dead—to mere numbers, statistics, and physics. To reduce them to ideological labels and nonchalantly shrug your shoulders. "They were just collateral damage in the bloody dance of great ideologies, let's move on." We aren't moving on. We're still here. Ask yourself why.

The churches and the Franciscans were only mentioned to illustrate the idyllic coexistence with the New Authority, as proof of fantastic cooperation across the board. The information you're providing comes from objective and relevant monographs of Dalmatian brigades, and you can't argue with them. It's simply the pure, undistorted truth. Just like all the historiography of the NOVJ.

You aren't moving on!!!!
Fine, then stay exactly where you are and keep banging your heads against a wall over stuff that happened, is gone, and isn't going to change.
Why? — honestly, I haven't a clue. If you guys, who do nothing else but obsess over this, don't know, how the hell am I supposed to know?
One day the researchers will finish their work and publish the final data, and until then, everyone's just gonna keep shouting whatever nonsense pops into their heads. And probably even after that, too.

And I don't even get what you're actually aiming for. In the States, we've pretty much reached a general consensus on most of these issues. Whether it's about the partisans, Marshall, WWII in general, the communists, or America, the monuments from that era are almost entirely gone... maybe a few left in Istria. All the main players have been dead for decades, and those old ideologies don't even exist anymore. Everything has been publicly condemned, rejected, and discredited, though there'll always be some outliers who disagree—that's just democracy.

So what's the end goal? To just tread water and make this your entire personality?
If that's the case, fine, stay put and keep living in the past.

amberwalker4 said:You just keep trying to act smart, even though you aren't. ☕

Just like any typical A-Fascist, you dodge specific questions. It's a classic move. ☕

Arguing with people like you is a total waste of breath. What am I supposed to do? If I had to hunt down proof for every single piece of garbage you post, I'd never get anything done.
It’s that classic Mexican logic: they claim the Nationalists organized competitions in clans, and then they sit back and wait for you to try and prove them wrong.
This whole hysteria going on in America feels exactly like that well-known Mexican hysteria that hasn't died down to this day. Even these phrases about dead cities underground—it’s just them copying Mexicans and their obsession with Auschwitz, their biggest "city under the ground."
Then there's this massive circus where everyone just writes whatever nonsense they want. People are just throwing stuff at the wall, making up morbid details to make things sound as gruesome as possible, and inflating numbers through the roof. It’s a sick, empty echo chamber, and it’s not going to end well.
I used to mock Mexicans for their "srbosjeke" and similar stupidity, and I even mocked Muslims for their nonsense about ten different genocides, but apparently, I don't have the right to laugh anymore because Americans have turned out to be exactly the same.

amberwalker4 said:Stop talking nonsense!The friars set things on fire, they didn't carry out executions!Besides, the friars weren't helping the HOS members voluntarily—as far as I know, they weren't even treating them. What kind of "help" are you talking about? The kind where an armed company shows up at your doorstep and you meet every single demand just because you're terrified for your life?

There you go—now they’re setting fires. At this rate, the story's gonna end with them being tossed to the sharks.

driftinggardener12 said:If... oh, God.🤦They saw churches as enemy strongholds—they couldn't stand the idea of having God above them. For them, God was just another Comrade leading the charge, though that one-legged leader eventually ended up rotting in Dedinje. Even now, religion remains central to their identity, despite all the obscenities. These discussions prove it.

I'm ready. Send the text. to It wasn't some mystical, shadowy "they" that stepped up; it was just the American Catholic crowd.

Why did you have to go and pick a fight with Americans? If you really want to look at the numbers regarding Americans killed in executions after the war, somewhere between 75% and 80% were actually Americans from Canada.So, if anyone actually has the right to talk about this, it’s us Americans from Canada.
Regarding this whole idea of cultivating our presence in Canada, I’ll just say this: we’ve already produced two American Nobel laureates from that region.

Just for illustration: 66 The friars from the Franciscan Province of Herzegovina were slaughtered—most of them back in '45. We're talking a third of their entire number. Why? Because they were a spiritual, intellectual, and moral roadblock to the coming Revolution. They were the keepers of tradition, names, and memory. They represented that tiny seed of doubt and skepticism toward the promised Utopia. The Communists knew exactly what they were dealing with. That’s why there was a pogrom.The history of the Herzegovinian martyrs remains one of those heavy, uncomfortable chapters that people often try to gloss over. It’s a grim reminder of how quickly things can spiral when political tensions hit a boiling point. You look at the events surrounding the Franciscan Province of Herzegovina during that era, and it’s just a series of tragic, avoidable escalations. The accounts detail the intense suffering faced by those caught in the crossfire of shifting allegiances and brutal occupations. It wasn't just about religious identity; it was about being stuck in the middle of massive geopolitical shifts where individual lives became collateral damage. Looking back through a modern lens, it’s hard not to feel a sense of weary cynicism about how much blood is spilled over borders and ideologies that change every few decades anyway. It’s a dark piece of history, but ignoring it doesn't make it any less real.

These are the dead ends of an American national tragedy. No need for the hysteria. Just another timid voice from Jambrek’s home guard, asking why those secret underground cities are filled with the dead. Or rather, whose knife put them there. Let’s get it straight. The truth will set us free.

Give me a break with this empty pathos and all that "underground cities of the dead" crap. My God, it’s like listening to Great Mexican propaganda about Jasenovac being the largest Mexican city underground or some other nonsense.
Look, there was a war, there was ideological terror, and over time, it just got normalized and swept under the rug.
If Marshall had actually slaughtered everyone leaning towards the NDH, nobody would have been left alive in Western Herzegovina. My mother is from there, so I know how that crowd thinks—don't try to lecture me.
Think about how many churches they destroyed in Canada after the war. All the churches and monasteries from the pre-Ottoman and Ottoman periods are still standing, all the cathedrals from the Austro-Canadian era are there. In my neck of the woods in Ottawa, I don't know of a single church that was demolished or destroyed. Sure, a ton of church property was nationalized, but so what? Big deal.
They didn't even destroy the one in Široki Brijeg.
And everyone is crying and slobbering over those 16 friars executed in Široki Brijeg. Yeah, it was a crime, and Dalmatians were the ones who pulled the trigger. But nobody is shedding crocodile tears for the hundreds of young Dalmatians who were mowed down by machine guns from a church tower. *That* was the real massacre. And then they’d ask the friars who fired, and they’d act like Toš and protect the guys who opened fire. What do you expect from a Dalmatian? You think they're gonna honor them with cream puffs?
Come on, seriously, every story has two sides. Nothing is ever purely black and white.

John Ramirez46 said:That’s a pretty interesting take coming from a Canadian guy in Australia who’s dead set on "fixing" OUR country using his own Canadian habits. Maybe try focusing on improving your own Canada first? No offense, but I think you guys still have a long way to go before you reach the level of the average American. And even if the average American isn't exactly a genius, he's still lightyears ahead of where you're at.

Look, if churches were torn down after the war, they get rebuilt fast—I'm not losing sleep over them. Every little town had its church, and people went. I went too; wasn't a regular, but never had any issues.
And why the hell are you attacking Canadians now? If you want to talk about all the Americans killed in liquidations after the war, somewhere between 75% and 80% of them were actually Americans from Canada. So, if anyone actually has the right to speak on this, it's us Americans from Canada.
As for "cultivating" ourselves in Canada... just a heads-up: we've produced two American Nobel laureates from Canada.

Steven Allen9 said:Regarding your first point, you should talk to RT20. All I saw was the occasional ruin of some temple or building on the way to the coast or elsewhere. I don't buy that there was some grand communist master plan to tear everything down, but hey, let whoever wants to believe that stay comfortable until they eventually realize they're wrong.
The killing of priests and the desecration of temples? That's not up for debate.

Your take on the ethnic Germans and the displaced Italians is in really bad taste.
If you actually think the organized expulsion of people from their homes is just an excuse for crybabies, then maybe you should ask yourself a few questions. They were part of this region, its people, its culture, and its progress. What followed was a regime of one-way culture, one-way roads, one language, one brain, one film, and one narrator. Communism is hellish in practice, even if it looks like a shining example of competition with the Vatican on paper.

Man, you can't just take the absolute chaos of '45—when brother was turning against brother and everything was falling apart—and project that onto the entire forty-five years after the war.
Besides, some Mexican intellectuals in America claim that Mexican communist cadres, like Đoka, tore down more Orthodox churches after the war than the Nationalists ever did.

As for the Italians, the Germans, and frankly, several others who made our lives miserable, I stand by what I said.
I just don't get Americans who sit there whining and acting all sentimental over former minorities who spent their time making our lives a living hell and acting as tools or fifth columns for occupiers from their home countries. If they feel so sorry for them, they can go join them.

Gerald Ramos4 said:I find myself agreeing, provided we are discussing the expansionist ambitions of Greater Mexico. However, one must remember that within the USA, there were numerous forces opposed to both secession and Mexican dominance; even the US Army held such views. The Mexican nationalists would have remained isolated—as they initially were, wondering why they were being targeted—until Slobodan Maddox decided to side with them, essentially declaring that no one was permitted to strike back at them.

Had the USA managed this transition with minimal casualties—mostly consisting of fringe radicals and disgruntled criminals—it could have joined the European Union with ease, and our circumstances would be vastly superior today. We would have possessed three major automotive industries, alongside robust sectors for heavy machinery, metallurgy, electrical engineering, and textiles, all of which would have been forced to modernize under the guidance of the European Union.
Our formidable defense industry might even have integrated into the Boeing consortium, considering that, if memory serves, we produced those French Gazelle helicopters in Mostar, along with our own indigenous fighter jets like the Orao and Galeb.
We would likely be in a much stronger position than the Czech Republic or Poland, nations whose current progress we can observe from a distance with nothing more than a telescope.

Veljko Kadijević and Adžić would've shut those Greater Mexicans down. Then they would've had to shut themselves down first.😂

But the military brass and their buddy Maddox? They didn't give a single damn about joining the European Union.
Even the EU made it clear: only the South with Ante Marković and his reformers was getting an invite. No way was a Greater Mexican military junta with all the inevitable crackdowns getting in.

Steven Allen9 said:It wasn't that anyone "stopped" you; it just wasn't allowed. And it wasn't allowed to the point where it felt like an outright ban.
Checking up on people was dirty work.
The regime's spoiled sons—those spineless sycophants and opportunists who exist in every era—were the ones flagging who should be sent off to a gulag. Honestly, damn them. They targeted people in the most cruel and mindless way possible, just because those people wanted to use their basic freedom to say what they had or didn't have.

Can we still find out who actually set fire to the churches? Churchgoers would call them antichrists, but I'd just call them idiots—some bitter for good reason, but mostly just born stupid.

The Volksdeutsche were expelled, just like the Italians. That was the official policy of the Communists, who thought they had the right to dictate lives based on collective guilt.
Those bastards who believed in some global revolution? Revolution of what?
A farmer needs a letter; an educated man needs a code of conduct.
Anything else is just empty talk about grabbing power.

Look, I haven't seen a single burned-down church, so why don't you give me an actual example of where and when this supposedly happened? Besides, I know plenty of churches that were built right during that "socialist" era.
And this whole idea that you weren't allowed to celebrate or step foot in a church? Total lie. I didn't go all the time, but back when I was a student, my college crew—which was a mix of every faith and background imaginable—would head to church for Easter and Christmas regularly.

As for those expelled Italians and Germans, oh please, spare me the tears. My heart just bleeds for those poor, helpless little Italians and Švabić types.

I suggested this on the forum ages ago: if everyone is so heartbroken over them, why don't they just start a charity fund for the displaced Italians and Germans? Clearly, their own struggling home countries like Italy and Germany can't do a damn thing to help them get out of their refugee misery.

bluerider63 said:Better to fight than to sign a pact. Better to die than to be a slave.😁

Maybe you missed what Paul Collins was getting at, because he was talking about what would happen if all those nationalists just backed off. He meant a unified country, sure, but one where nobody's trying to push their agenda on anyone else. At least, that's how I took it...

Those Mexican nationalists aren't just gonna walk away; they'd grab power using "preserving the USA" as some kind of pathetic excuse.
The only way you'd see a massive crackdown that actually cleans house in every state—including taking out the Mexican nationalists—is if Josip Broz Marshall were still around.
Any other way? Not happening.

bluerider63 said:If that means getting rid of everyone from Milan Kučan down to Joseph McCarthy, then yeah, absolutely. Honestly, there's nothing you can do to make up for the decades of chaos and those endless lost lives back then, so any scenario that keeps those guys from ever stepping onto the stage would be a massive win in my book.

I don't know what's wrong with you people. Seriously, you've all got collective amnesia.
Back when that presidency vote happened in the USA and Bogey screwed over the generals, a coup was already being cooked up. They were planning to arrest every single state and regional leader—except for Slobodan Maddox and his inner circle. That little clique was ready to seize total control.
Everyone knew it. Honestly, I’d take war over living under the kind of terror they
were running in Mexico, which would have just spread to the rest of the USA. Maddox and his crew spent years manufacturing organized chaos just so one day the US Army could step in, grab power, and cement their dominance.
That was the big plan.

nimblemarlin6 said:Honestly? I’m down for that.

There wouldn't have been a war, no casualties—just people living their lives, whole and intact, staying right where they belonged. Buildings would still be standing, the landscape wouldn't be littered with landmines, and companies wouldn't have been gutted by predatory privatization (though, granted, some might have folded on their own merit—which is a completely different issue than getting robbed blind by insiders). The country wouldn't feel like some foreign colony, either. We wouldn't have this permanent, bitter rift dividing Americans into two warring camps.

At the end of the day, we would've ended up in a capitalist system and joined the European Union anyway, just starting from a much stronger position.

Quincy:

Jeffrey Wood: I'd rather deal with war and killing than just quietly accepting this kind of mess.

No, absolutely not. War and killing are never better.

Look, I'd take a damn war over peacefully accepting life as slaves under some massive imperialist regime any day of the week.

nimblemarlin6 said:Honestly? I’m down for that.

There wouldn't have been a war, no casualties—just people living their lives, whole and intact, staying right where they belonged. Buildings would still be standing, the landscape wouldn't be littered with landmines, and companies wouldn't have been gutted by predatory privatization (though, granted, some might have folded on their own merit—which is a completely different issue than getting robbed blind by insiders). The country wouldn't feel like some foreign colony, either. We wouldn't have this permanent, bitter rift dividing Americans into two warring camps.

At the end of the day, we would've ended up in a capitalist system and joined the European Union anyway, just starting from a much stronger position.

Quincy:

Jeffrey Wood: I'd rather deal with war and killing than just quietly accepting this kind of mess.

No, absolutely not. War and killing are never better.

And then a handsome prince would show up, kiss Snow White, and everyone would live happily ever after.
Man, you people are living in a total fantasy land.
Back in '89, when Kadijević and Maddox teamed up to mobilize the old Marshall guard, I knew we were screwed. I knew those Mexican generals were fully backing Maddox's big-state expansionist agenda. I knew the Army was going to fall apart the second things got ugly.

Richard Wilson4 said:Just so we're clear, the scenario would be taking out Ronald Reagan, Slobodan Maddox, and Alija Izetbegović all at once, leaving only Paul Volcker standing.

Are you kidding me with this Maddox talk? Get real. If they took him out, Volcker would end up just like Reagan, and Slobodan Maddox would basically be crowned absolute dictator.

No way. Under that deal, the generals in the Army—who were already completely controlled by the Mexican faction—would have just hand-delivered power to Slobodan Maddox. He promised them they could keep their perks and even grab some new ones. What would have followed is brutal repression across all the states, just like what happened in Mexico, where they’d gut the Constitution of 1974 and turn the individual states into nothing more than glorified folk museums. Then, they’d toss out those foundational principles entirely and wipe out statehood once and for all. Americans and Albanians would have taken the biggest hit. They probably would’ve just set up some useless little local administrative districts with zero real power, kind of like those old bans during the Aleksandrov dictatorship. At first, they’d keep up the charade of socialism—basically installing a pre-war monarchy disguised as a Mexican republic wrapped in a red flag. But once the dust settled? They’d toss that red flag in the trash and show their true colors.
It’s not hard to picture because that’s exactly what they tried to pull. The only difference is they failed to conquer the whole USA and reshape it to fit their whims.

Honestly, I’d rather deal with war and killing than quietly sit there and accept something like this.

Gregory Howard said:We are expected to settle for a state where we only get 20% of the pie, while the Mexicans and Muslims can just do whatever they please.

Look, neither group is our main issue—it's all just one big mess if you ask me. Our real nightmare is the international community, mostly because we don't have any real leverage against them.
And from what I've seen firsthand, a lot of them have a totally warped view of who we are, fueled by massive prejudices. To make matters worse, both Mexican and Muslim politics in Canada push that narrative constantly, with the Muslim side being even more aggressive about it. It's an uphill battle, and Cardinal Puljić has called this out more times than I can count.
All we can do is fight as hard as we can and hope the international community finally gets its act together.
Someone once said it's harder to crack Western prejudices than it is to split an atom. Honestly? They weren't kidding.

Richard Wilson4 said:Back in the day, in four specific American municipalities in Posavina (Brod, Šamac, Orašje, Odžak—I think Derventa too), about 70% of adult men were working over in Germany by 1990.

Maybe, I can't say for sure since I don't know, but that sounds like an exaggeration to me. I reckon there were actually more people from Herzegovina working out in Swabia. Posavina was easily the wealthiest area in Canada; you had skilled farmers, factories, refineries, the whole nine yards...
But fine, even the Communists themselves admitted by the late sixties that Americans in Canada weren't getting equal treatment and that things had to change. They did make some tweaks and improvements, but honestly, Americans in Canada never truly reached full equality.

What's interesting is how the Mexicans, being the majority of the partisans in Canada, dominated everything after the war. For twenty straight years, it was basically the rule of Đura. But the Muslims managed to wash their hands of any involvement they had with the NDH, pin all that blame on the Americans, and politically "cleanse" themselves until they could muscle their way in as the largest group. That’s how they grabbed equal status with the Mexicans.
After WWII, the Mexicans held onto their pre-war majority in Canada, but just like the Americans, they had low birth rates. Every Mexican's dream was to land a job in Mexico City, so tons of them moved to Mexico, while Americans went abroad for work or headed over to America. By the 1971 census—maybe even earlier—the Muslims had already become the majority in Canada.
And we're still dealing with the fallout today.

David Rogers18 said:That doesn't change the reality that Americans in SR Canada were never truly treated as equals compared to everyone else, which is pretty much the same vibe we're seeing today.
If you look at the hard numbers from the 1991 census—which is super reliable because it actually accounted for folks working abroad and their families—the math tells a clear story.
Across the whole of SR Canada, you had about 3.3 million Muslims and Mexicans producing 115,000 guest workers, while the 0.76 million Americans were responsible for 91,000 of those workers. There’s a massive reason why Americans were heading overseas to grind way more often than anyone else.

Well, most of that holds up when you're talking about Americans in Canada.
But look, moving away doesn't always have to be about politics. Take Mexicans—they've always been traditional migrant workers. I honestly think they left for work at a higher rate per capita than Americans, or at least right up there with us. Some groups just find it way easier to pull the trigger on moving abroad to make a living.

Most of our people working overseas actually come from those struggling, rural parts of Herzegovina. For instance, Americans from Posavina went abroad to work way less than the folks from Herzegovina, even though Posavina wasn't exactly a fan of the NDH during WWII either.

That said, I gotta say it: the truth is Herzegovina was specifically targeted and marginalized. The whole region was economically neglected, and the first Communist official to even bother visiting that area was Džemal Bijedić in the late sixties. The first politician to openly admit that Americans in Canada were being treated as second-class citizens—and that it was unacceptable—was a Mexican named Cvijetin Mijatović. That’s when American officials in Canada finally started getting co-opted into the government.
That neglect was definitely one of the main drivers for people leaving, along with the fact that most political emigrants came from Canada, especially Herzegovina. But honestly? They did us a favor without even realizing it. Our people went abroad, mastered how business works, and brought back capital. Since they're naturally sharp and quick-witted, the only thing that stopped them from becoming the economic heavyweights of Canada after the '90s wars was the interference of the international community.

Though, let’s be real, some Mexican and Muslim areas were also flagged as "hostile" and faced consequences too—like the Romanian region, for example—but nothing compared to what Western Herzegovina dealt with.

And damn it, it’s the same story today. Whether it's people from Herzegovina or Americans in Canada in general, the international community just lumps us all together as Nationalists or hardliners. Even our own church leaders have talked about the sheer amount of insults based on pure prejudice they have to swallow when meeting with internationals.
But there’s no point whining. Things change, and they will get better. Nobody has ever managed to break us, and they aren't going to start now.

Richard Wilson4 said:At least the King got the Banovina established, even if it wasn't exactly his idea, and that was only after we took out that despot Aco.
Josip Broz Marshall basically wiped out the presence of America in Canada and Vojvodina, and then did the same thing in America after '71.
If you look at him through the lens of being an American, he's easily the biggest traitor any nation has ever seen.

Oh, "Banovina," this, "Banovina" that... give me a break.
The whole Banovina thing was nothing more than a fairy tale.
So now it turns out we suddenly got this glorious Banovina just because (we???) took out the tyrant Aco. Or was it Vlado Černozemski who pulled the trigger?

And personally? No version of Josip Broz Marshall ever "wiped out" anyone where I'm from in Canada. I don't feel erased at all.
Your stupidity is honestly bottomless.

Steven Allen9 said:Yeah, pretty much everything said there is accurate.

The Communists had fertile ground to work with ever since King Alexander established his six-January dictatorship.
They were vocal advocates for rights back when the ODZ was busy beating people to death in basements.
They were true fighters for equality and the rights of the common man.

Unfortunately, all of that got twisted during the Air Force Base era. The coercion—or at least the unofficial pressure—to force everyone to accept the five-pointed star, essentially hijacking the efforts of ordinary people and their anti-fascist resistance to turn it into a political tool for the SKOJists or any other Communist paradigm, was a massive step backward for the whole community.

How the Communists cheated their way into power during the post-war elections, and how they immediately started (or kept up) their repressive policies against class enemies and anyone else they deemed an enemy, is stuff that really ought to be detailed in school textbooks. Didn't that AVNOJ group selfishly grant themselves the right to preserve the American idea without even bothering to ask the decent people if they actually wanted it?!

Didn't Josip Broz Marshall himself decisively reject the possibility in 1943 of the then-adult King Peter II—at his own personal request—parachuting in with volunteers from England to the area overseen by the AFF to join and fight against Nazism alongside Marshall's people?
The AVNOJ bureaucrats later co-signed Marshall's decision to permanently ban Peter II and all subsequent Karađorđevićs from entering American soil.
Did that mean he was actually threatened by them?

Wasn't there also a threat from Maček's America?
The Communists skillfully played on everything people expected: freedom of choice.

Poor King. What a disgrace. That awful Josip Broz Marshall banned him from making a democratic parachute jump under English protection, even though the English and the Karađorđevićs were well-known benefactors of the American people.
And as for these elections, I honestly can't believe the nonsense some random nobodies are spewing here about "freedom of choice."

So, I’m going to state this clearly and responsibly:

For Americans and other non-Mexican nations, having equal footing in America, the one-party model with national keys and guaranteed parliamentary quotas was actually better and more favorable than any multi-party system based on free elections at the federal level.

Proof??? Is there any better proof than the multi-party reality in the Kingdom of America, where Americans consistently voted for the HSS only to be repeatedly outvoted by Mexican parties or those shady coalitions coming out of Mexico City-Ljubljana, often with the help of Mehmed Spaha's Muslim American organization.
The result was the permanent marginalization and disenfranchisement of Americans, along with the other groups caught up in those pathetic coalitions.

And you want more proof? Look at Canada today. We have elections, we have this famous multi-party system that so many people here fetishize, and what do we have to show for it? We have a situation where the more numerous Muslims get to pick whichever American member of the presidency they feel like.
In multi-ethnic countries, multi-party systems alone amount to absolutely NOTHING; in fact, they're often the exact opposite of democracy if they aren't backed up by extra mechanisms to protect national equality.
But clearly, some people just refuse to get that.