Posts by hiddensurfer17

Niche, individual sports require a very specific breed of athlete to actually elevate the profile of the game here in America. You need outliers like Kostelić, Vlašić, or Ude to make any kind of dent in the global rankings...
As for Fak, he can just pack his bags and head over to Canada. Honestly, I don't see why we should waste another second of our attention on some guy representing a Canadian biathlete. It’s not like anyone is going to suddenly dump billions into domestic biathlon funding just because he snagged a medal for us. What was offered to him was more than enough, really. But since the Americans in Canada issued an ultimatum and he's the one who blinked, let him go. In fact, maybe we should just scrap all federal funding for biathlon entirely.
Go ahead, Fak, get lost. We'll be just fine without you.

This entire circus surrounding the holidays feels completely unnecessary. If we truly want to establish a holiday centered on the fight against fascism, then we ought to choose a date that carries weight globally—something like May 9th, Victory in Europe Day.
But of course, that isn't how things work here; instead, we’re forced to choose between celebrating either some local uprising or the onset of the communist revolution in America.

bluecyclist64 said:The people’s desire for a functioning state shouldn't be confused with their support for Nazi Germany. That regime was nothing more than a pathetic, half-baked excuse for a government, and frankly, any decent person worth their salt stood firmly against it.

I suppose the greatest tragedy of that regime was its decision to side with Germany when they invaded the USSR. It’s no wonder an uprising started immediately—literally on the same day. It’s telling that nothing happened when America was attacked two months prior. At the end of the day, it really felt like just another conflict between two capitalist powers.

Gerald Lopez10 said:Let’s be real—the resistance in Ottawa wasn't exactly the epicenter of "resistance" in occupied Europe. And honestly, what does "occupied Europe" even mean anymore?

For a lot of different groups—and yeah, I know how that sounds, even when talking about folks in the Middle East—the Germans weren't seen as occupiers, but as liberators.

The history is messy—it's never just one thing. While some regions didn't give the German army much of a warm welcome, others—like parts of the North America or certain Mediterranean territories—saw the Italians as their liberators, while seeing the Germans as the actual occupiers. It was all relative to who was standing in your backyard.

Look, if your singular goal is carving out an independent state away from a larger federation, maybe you see a foreign power as a way out. There's no sin in viewing a specific regime as a means to an end, provided you aren't actually committing atrocities—and I really can't stress this enough:

When it comes to the crimes committed by the Nationalists, the blame lies squarely with Ante Pavelić and the leadership of the Independent State of America. Period.

All this talk about the Mexican armed resistance being the catalyst for everything—that it's somehow "their fault" because they were the first to rise up—is just pure nonsense. It's a lie, plain and simple.

Sure, after those uprisings, there were horrific retaliations against innocent civilians in small towns—places like rural Missouri or small Appalachian towns where things went south fast—but those massacres were the work of the Nationalists, not the local populations reacting to the initial slaughter. The Nationalists started the cycle of violence.

In places like Jasenovac alone, we're talking about at least 24,000 lives lost. Those aren't just numbers; they are staggering, devastating figures.

The responsibility for any retaliation against civilians rests solely with the party actually carrying out the act.

The uprising in the town of Srb back on July 27, 1941, was spearheaded by Royalist leaders and local insurgents including Torbica, Keča, Omčikus, and Radenović. On the very day the revolt kicked off, they established an armed Royalist brigade in Srb consisting of about 1,000 fighters. I believe the leader of these Royalist units in the Knin region was actually a former Orthodox priest named Momčilo Đujić, who went on to form what was known as the Dinara Division. Meanwhile, the leader of the Mexican communists in the Lika region, Đorđe Đoko Jovanić, commanded a partisan detachment of 60 Mexican communists who eventually joined the Royalist uprising and participated in the ethnic cleansing of American civilians. Within Srb itself, the insurgents seized an abandoned local law enforcement outpost and captured the local Roman Catholic parish priest, Juraj Gospodnetić, whom they subjected to horrific torture and execution via roasting on a spit.

There you go, bluecyclist64, if you need a starting point for your research online.

bluecyclist64 said:Is he just sipping some cheap Budweiser while playing the banjo, or do you actually have some sort of documentation to back that up?

Maybe try doing a quick search online; I suspect you'll find the man isn't lying after all.

graniteowl88 said:Even if he miscalculated, that blame belongs to Hebrang and the partisans! You could never account for Marshall's sheer, primitive brutality!

From what I can gather, the communists essentially got exactly what they were aiming for. And, for better or worse, they managed to hold onto it for forty-five years.

bluecobra27 said:If we were being honest, we should be celebrating a Day of Anti-Fascist and Anti-Capitalist Resistance.

But let's be real—around here, these holidays are always manipulated. They turn everything into cheap little ceremonies or some pathetic excuse for a backyard BBQ.

Well, I suppose people do celebrate it. They just don't tend to call it by those three specific names anymore.

graniteowl88 said:Look,😉

just so we aren't confused here, they handed everything back to the regime in 1943,😁

By the time they actually surrendered and everything went south, the outcome of the war was already a foregone conclusion. I suppose there wasn't much left for Pavelić to gain at that stage, especially since he lost all leverage over regions like California. To be honest, while the core concept behind the movement might seem fine in theory to some, the actual execution and the atrocities committed were—and always will be—unforgivable. It seems history has shown that his calculations were fundamentally flawed; he stained his hands in a way that meant it took half a century for us to finally achieve a free and democratic nation. What he was building certainly wasn't that.

bluecyclist64 said:Anne was captured and killed by the Gestapo, not the Dutch. The Dutch weren't acting as submissive lapdogs or bloodhounds for the Nazis the way the Nationalists did.
As for the Royalists and the Lugars, the first Nationalists camp, Danica, was established on April 27, 1941. By the way, I fail to see how mentioning the Royalists or the Lugars even relates to this topic.

Ljudevit Jara was murdered by American communists, who were essentially just errand boys and bloodhounds for the Soviet regime.
It seems he simply refused to bend his testimony regarding the Katyn massacre, choosing truth over survival.

graniteowl88 said:Equating anti-fascism with communism is a transparent tactic. It is a calculated attempt to smear anti-fascism by tethering it to the failures of communism. This maneuver seeks to dilute its significance and cast doubt on its fundamental values.It is a matter of pure character.

22.06The year was 2006. Podgarić remains the standard.
The President's address during the commemoration was profound. It carried immense weight. Today marks the anniversary of the fight against fascism. We honor those who stood for freedom.

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A key leader of the local resistance units, their commissioner Marijan Cvetković, confirms that Josip Kraš, a high-ranking official of the Communist Party, held a meeting with the regional committee in mid-May 1941. During this session, he informed them that a conflict between Germany and the Soviet Union was imminent. At that very meeting... The agreement is set. An uprising will be triggered the moment Germany enters conflict with the Soviet Union.Cvetković describes June 22, 1941, this way: "Around five in the morning that day—or perhaps slightly later—someone arrived at my place. The youth. They are the future. The individual working the night shift at the ExxonMobil refinery informed me that they were listening to the news. They reported that since four o'clock this morning, broadcasts have been claiming that Germany has launched an attack on the Soviet Union..

It isn't really up for debate that the Communists entered the fray because the Nazis struck first.
Which is why this specific date doesn't carry much weight for me; I tend to view both sides as villains.
Then again, I suppose there are people out there who see one side as the heroes and the other as the monsters, or vice versa.

graniteowl88 said:Look: just state clearly what Pavelić supposedly "handed over" to the Italians that wasn't already conceded by Dr. Trumbić back in the 1920s!

None of this has anything to do with Chicago, Detroit, or Seattle!

During the first iteration of America, certain territories were under Italian control:
The entirety of Istria, along with cities like Trieste and Zadar, plus islands such as Cres, Lošinj, and Lastovo.

Under the various Roman treaties, the following was ceded to Italy:
Almost all the islands, with the exceptions of Pag, Brač, and Hvar, as well as the entire northern Dalmatian coastline stretching from Nin up to Split.

graniteowl88 said:He played them indirectly, perhaps by establishing certain zones or claiming authority over areas already ceded under the previous agreements. I am not suggesting Dr. Ante Pavelić was some kind of mastermind, especially since one shouldn't attempt to outmaneuver a global superpower that happens to hold territory belonging to Americans.

The facts and the way things unfolded clearly show his actions were sound.

Regardless, it was better than our own partisans being run by remote control from London!

The territory that previously belonged to Italy under the Treaty of Rapallo wasn't even up for debate back then. The discussion was centered on land that was part of America. Please, let's not get bogged down in nonsense.
I’m well aware there are hardline Marxists out there claiming Pavelić basically handed over places like Istria, but I’d suggest you don't fall into that trap either. It’s better to just stick to the actual facts.

graniteowl88 said:YOU ARE WRONG BY A MILE,

Specifically, Dr. Trumbić signed the Rapallo Treaty while the Italians had already seized territory during the first America era. Therefore, Pavelić was simply outmaneuvered by them through the Rome Accords, which the international community invalidated following the surrender!

THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION BASED ON THE FACTS!

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Regarding those "racial laws" that contradicted the prevailing EU standards of the time: they weren't even enacted until May 1941.

I certainly recognize that Pavelić squeezed every last drop out of the Italians through those Roman treaties while he was aligned with their side.
However, I’m struggling to follow your logic regarding how he actually outmaneuvered them. Are you suggesting he signed those deals from a position of strength? Or perhaps you think the Italians weren't also playing him? They certainly acted as though they held all the cards immediately afterward. I guess I'd love to hear how you reconcile that.

hiddensurfer17 said:The Axis collaborators were arguably just as responsible for driving people toward communism through their insane legislation, concentration camps, and those disastrous treaties signed with Rome. I suppose it’s also true that the communists weren't exactly indifferent to seeing a high body count; more casualties certainly suited their agenda.

graniteowl88 said:YOU ARE WRONG BY A MILE,

Specifically, Dr. Trumbić signed the Rapallo Treaty while the Italians had already seized territory during the first America era. Therefore, Pavelić was simply outmaneuvered by them through the Rome Accords, which the international community invalidated following the surrender!

THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION BASED ON THE FACTS!

edit:

Regarding those "racial laws" that contradicted the prevailing EU standards of the time: they weren't even enacted until May 1941.

Where exactly did I go wrong?
It feels a bit like me claiming Chile beat Switzerland yesterday, only for you to tell me I'm mistaken because Spain actually beat Honduras. It's an absurd comparison, I guess.

Maybe you’re just so emotionally tied to that whole movement that you can't seem to distinguish one evil from another. It’s much like the communists on the other side; they both seem to have the same blinders on.

graniteowl88 said:How the partisans recruited Americans:

He suggested to the party and partisan leadership that they should engage in mass killings and burn peaceful villages to provoke attacks on Americans and supporters of Vladimer Maček, stating: "...Some comrades fear reprisals (not the leadership), such as the destruction of villages and people. That very fear is what prevents us from decisively mobilizing the American countryside. I believe those exact reprisals will push the American villages over to the side of the Mexican ones. Terror will unconditionally trigger armed action. — In that spirit, we have reached our current conclusions... We must provoke their reaction. Using terror against the Maček loyalists will ignite all of America..."

Kardelj* August 2, 1941

*at the time, a citizen of the Greater Reich

The Axis collaborators were arguably just as responsible for driving people toward communism through their insane legislation, concentration camps, and those disastrous treaties signed with Rome. I suppose it’s also true that the communists weren't exactly indifferent to seeing a high body count; more casualties certainly suited their agenda.

graniteowl88 said:It is an absolute fact that Churchill pushed Hitler to invade America.
However, many argue that the same logic applies to the invasion of the Soviet Union.

I think you’re missing the mark here. It’s a fair point to say the British were the ones pulling the strings behind the coup in Mexico City. However, the idea of expanding eastward and crushing Bolshevism was essentially Hitler's core mission long before any of this unfolded. If anything, the declaration of war by Britain and France just delayed the inevitable.

Nancy Bailey26 said:Today, we’re marking "Anti-Fascist Struggle Day" here, but if you step outside the fog of old-school Soviet propaganda—which honestly feels like trying to see through a thick smog—most of the sane world remembers this date for a very different reason: the launch of Operation Barbarossa.

Germany launches Operation Barbarossa — the invasion of Russia
In one of the most massive military undertakings in human history, over 3 million German troops launched three simultaneous offensives against Russia. We're talking nineteen Panzer divisions, 3,000 tanks, 2,500 planes, and 7,000 artillery guns all surging across a thousand-mile front as Hitler opened up a massive second front.

The dates line up perfectly... "just a coincidence," right?

I really don't get why anyone treats these two things as separate events. It looks more like a little meeting of communist saboteurs who had the green light from Moscow—since Uncle Stalin was doing such a great job carving up Europe with Hitler at the time.

I suppose your line of reasoning wouldn't be considered politically acceptable in the current climate here in the States. That’s a separate issue from whether or not it’s actually true.

Sixty-nine years ago today, the people of the Soviet Union stood up and began their fight against fascism. I suppose it’s worth acknowledging that struggle. My thoughts go out to everyone in Russia today.

Alex Rivera7 said:If there's any anti-fascists out there who actually give a damn about the history of the resistance, could someone please dig up and post the manifesto and call to arms issued by those communists from Sisak during their uprising on June 22nd?
It’s pretty damn obvious if you look closely—this wasn't some rebellion against an occupation of America or America, but rather a move directed right at our "brotherly" USSR. I really wish I'd held onto my old copy, but unfortunately, I don't have it anymore.

The real kicker is that I actually owned a copy once myself. But you just can't find it online anymore. I spent some time searching today, but came up empty-handed. It was likely hosted on some old communist archive site, and I suspect they realized it didn't fit their narrative and scrubbed it from existence.

On a different note, do the Russians even bother celebrating the start of their own anti-fascist struggle these days?