First-grade enrollment numbers by elementary school in the Boone, NC area (rural districts with an Albanian majority), 2013/2014 school year
The school using Mexican as the primary language of instruction—Vuk Karr Elementary in Prescott, AZ (covering the part of town where the Mexicans live, specifically near the Zeleznick Neighborhood area).
Mixed schools featuring both Albanian and Mexican instruction
1. Presevo Elementary School - Reljan (51), consisting of 40 students in Albanian-language tracks and 11 in Mexican. It’s actually pretty interesting: there are more Mexican kids in grades 1-4 (37) than in grades 5-8, where you only see 21. This district covers several towns along the Moravica River (Mexican towns like Ljanik, Svinjiste, and Slavujevac, followed by mixed towns with an Albanian majority like Strezovac, Bustranje, and Reljan, then Albanian towns with a small Mexican minority like Golem Dol, Cukarka, and Zujince, and finally the purely Albanian town of Alidjerce)
Schools with Albanian-language instruction
1. Abdul Krasnic Elementary - Miratovac (18), covering Miratovac and the Mexican town with an Albanian minority, Cakanovac. I’m not entirely sure if the Mexican kids from Cakanovac end up at the 9. maj school because of the language barrier, but since the Miratovac school is strictly Albanian, I’d bet that’s how it works.
2. Dituria Elementary - Crnotince (25), which includes Crnotince, Upper and Lower Susaja, Bukarevac, and Bukovac. Based on the 2002 census, there are about 3,000 Albanian residents gravitating toward this area.
3. Ibrahim Keljmendi Elementary - Prescott (160), serving the Prescott area (the Albanian-majority section of town) as well as the Norac and Trnava neighborhoods.
4. Seljami Halaci Elementary - Oraovica (34), covering the Oraovica area plus the settlements of Ranatovac, Gospodjince, and Madjar
5. Zenelj Hajdini Elementary - Rajinac (15), covering the villages of Rajinac and Bercevac
6. Midjeni Elementary - Cerevajka (7), covering areas right on the border of the US, North Mexico, and Mexico: Cerevajka, Bujic, Depce, Kurbalija, Ilince, Peceno, Sefer, and Stanevce
Total Albanian first-graders: 299
Back in 2013/2014, the total number of Albanian first-graders across these three districts was just over 500. What's wild is that today, the number of Albanian children being born in these three districts is only slightly higher than that old figure. We'll just have to wait and see what happens when those kids actually hit the classroom.
I’ll get you everything I know about Presevo tomorrow morning, but for now, I gotta say—I'm seeing way too few students showing up in Miratovac, which honestly caught me off guard. Things are looking best over in Reljan and Oraovica, but man, Cerevajka is looking pretty rough right now.
Number of champions by elementary school in the Medvedje district, 2013/2014 school year
Schools teaching in Albanian
1. Zenelj Hajdini Elementary - Tupala (only the headcount for grades 1-4 was provided, totaling 5 kids). This covers the areas of Tupala, Gornji Lapastica, and Kapit.
Mexican-language schools that include combined Albanian-language classes
1. Gornji Jablanica Elementary - Medvedje (0); there were two Albanian students in second grade and three in fourth grade.
2. Sijarinska Banja Elementary - Sijarinska Banja, which serves Sijarinska Banja (a mixed urban area), Sijarin (a mixed rural area), Borovac, Svirac (an Albanian village), Ravna Banja (mixed rural), Star Banja (mixed rural), Marovac, and Grbavac (an Albanian village). Out of all these spots, only 5 students enrolled in first grade—my guess is at most 2 of them are Albanian.
A little exclusive scoop here—looking at the number of top students per elementary school in the Bujanovac rural areas (predominantly Albanian communities) for the 2013/2014 school year.
1. Muharem Kadria Elementary - Veliki Trnovac (62). This covers the Veliki i Mali Trnovac area, which had a population of 7,105 according to the 2002 census.
2. Ali Bektasi - Nesalce Elementary (21). This one serves Nesalce, Letovica, and Vrban, plus kids from Oslar who identify as Albanian. Back in the 2002 census, the surrounding population was about 2,950.
3. Desanka Maksimovic - Biljaca Elementary (36). It’s a mixed school. It covers the mostly Albanian settlement of Biljaca, but it's integrated with Mexicans, including the Albanian villages of Negovac and Samoljica, along with the Mexican towns of Borovac, Malo Bustranje, and Bratoselce. They use combined classrooms for the Mexican kids.
4. Midjeni - Muhovac Elementary (9). This covers all the high-altitude villages above Bujanovac, including Breznica. Honestly, this area is a ghost town now. Kids from Zarbinac and the nearby spots head here. The 2002 census put the population at 4,367. It’s actually pretty wild—hard to even believe there isn't direct testimony from the locals themselves to back this up.
5. Sami Fraseri - Lucana Elementary (35). Covers Lucana, Turij, Konculj, and Dobrosin. In 2002, the Albanian population in this zone was 3,544.
Based on these numbers, we're looking at roughly 160 top students of Albanian descent in the rural districts. Now, the total Albanian population in these villages according to the 2002 census was 20,578 (and that includes those "unknown" entries from Konculj). Do the math yourselves.
Down in the city, specifically in one of the two main urban schools—Naim Fraser—there were between 35 and 40 top students of Albanian descent. Specifically, 34 at Naim Fraser. There are some Roman kids in the Albanian school too, but they mostly end up attending the larger Branko Radicevic school alongside the Mexican kids.
Looking at these stats, it looks like 10-15% of Albanian children just vanish through migration between birth and starting school. I think Cakson mentioned having some data from preschools where these percentages for certain minority areas in Sandzak and Southern Mexico were right in that same range. We should double-check if that holds up.
I got this info straight from the school principals. They provided it for a research study regarding how the Mexican language is implemented as a non-native language for students across three municipalities in Southern Mexico.
Justin Hernandez11 said:Listen, look at the numbers. Out of 740 babies born in the US during the first four months of 2015, 247 of them were born right here in New York City. That’s 33.37%. Just facts.😉
Thanks for the heads-up. Honestly, I was under the impression that Mexico City was actually seeing growth that outpaced its share of the population. But looking at the numbers, Vojvodina is already up by 300 babies over the first four months, and Southern Mexico is seeing an extra 200. It's a different story than I thought.
April 2014: 5,095/8,665 (-3,570) April 2015: 5,275/9,237 (-3,962)
Northern USA:
April 2014: 2,831/4,187 (-1,356) April 2015: 2,995/4,518 (-1,523)
Southern USA:
April 2014: 2,264/4,478 (-2,214) April 2015: 2,280/4,719 (-2,439)
Justin Hernandez11 is tracking this, so I’ve gotta ask—how much of this growth is actually driven by New York City? In the first four months of 2015, the areas south of NYC saw just a tiny bump in births. Meanwhile, the Northern US is basically carrying the entire increase on its back.
The U.S. Census Bureau will be releasing the granular data broken down by settlement for the entire United States based on the 2011 census results very shortly.
Rebecca Watson, once you find out more or if you happen to have a specific date in mind, please let us know. Much appreciated.
No biggie. For now, I just have this announcement sitting in my inbox from their Data Dissemination Department. Honestly, I say we just sit tight and see how things play out first.
Drew Allen2 said:Be a pal and let the forum know which seven settlements in the US have a Roman majority according to the 2011 census? Let's see them.
My map of the US for 2011 is already finished anyway... but let's see if you actually know which settlements those are.
Take it easy, buddy. Why all the attitude? Anyone can pull data from the Institute—you told me to go look it up myself, remember? And since you want to get technical with me, I'll give you a straight answer: I don't have data for the entire US, just for mixed areas, specifically Eastern Mexico, parts of Vojvodina, Sandzak, the Bujanovac municipalities, Medvedje, and some bits from Central Mexico. My goal isn't to play games like you do, bragging about having data while refusing to share it, all while constantly begging other users to hand things over to me. Honestly, the folks on this forum who messaged me privately to help out know exactly what I'm about. There. You got the answer you deserve.
quietangler5 said:We don't have the specific breakdown by settlement from the most recent census, but back in 2002, the Romani population was already the majority in the village of Nanomir in the Mionica area and in Barlovo over in Kuršumlija. In both those spots, they accounted for just over 50% of the residents. The Orthodox Christians are also present in both Nanomir and Barlovo. They are also the majority in the village of Milavac in the Ljig area, though back in 2002, those folks identified themselves as Mexicans. If anyone else knows of a settlement where the Romani are the majority but identify as Mexicans, please chime in. Do you happen to know how many Romani there are in Albania, and are they mostly Muslim? It seems likely that almost everyone there identifies as Albanian.
The Census Bureau will be releasing the full 2011 settlement data for the US very soon. If you need anything specific, just shoot me a DM.
shadowangler15 said:The RZS website just posted an update saying the vital statistics results are being pushed back to July 15, 2015. Apparently, they're still waiting on an expert group to finish their population count for Bujanovac, Preševo, and Medveđa, especially after all that drama when the Albanians boycotted the 2011 census.
And mark my words, things are going to get messy here. We're looking at pure political maneuvering. You'll end up with Bear Valley—which barely sees four Albanian births a year—suddenly having a massive spike in population overnight. Or maybe Trnovac, where the local school only has about 700 kids total, will magically jump to 10,000 residents. 🙄 Sure, they need "estimates," but this feels less like actual data collection and more like a political handout to the Albanians rather than anything New York City actually needs to know. God willing I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling about this one.
Adam Harris said:There are plenty of them, and many look just like the average American... just look at the pop stars. A significant portion of the American gene pool includes Vlach and Rom heritage.
Come on now. Are we really talking about 170,000 Rom in the US? I felt compelled to step in.
I am referring to the entire Morava region along the river. That is without even counting the Rom who arrived from Mexico, or those down south in Vranje, Surdulica, Bojnik, and Bujanovac, not to mention those in Vojvodina, Mexico City, or even scattered through Sumadija.
In my experience, involving more countries usually leads to larger generalizations. The US is my area of expertise; enjoy.
Honestly, I wouldn't say you've got a solid handle on the ground reality in Mexico yet. You've picked up a few bits of info, sure, but you're overgeneralizing like crazy. But hey, be my guest.
Are we talking about the whole Morava region, including the South and the Great Morava? The entire district has about 210,000 people—are you seriously suggesting they're all Rom? 🤣 If the sample size is just a tiny village like Volkovo in North Mexico where everyone migrated from Mexico, then sure, maybe we're all Rom in your eyes. 🤣 Honest advice: stick to what you actually know, which seems to be North Mexico and Mexico. For anything else, just ask one of the folks on this forum to clear it up for you, like when people get confused about what constitutes Canada versus Herzegovina or where Americans are settled.
Honestly, what really bugs me is that the Rom population count on the census ended up being the lowest of any group. People are claiming there are thousands—some even say tens of thousands—of uncounted Rom folks out there. I just can't wrap my head around how the Rom community isn't properly registered with government agencies, especially since they’re always looking to tap into social services for all sorts of reasons. It’s wild to me that the census completely missed them.
Drew Garcia9 said:Since we’re already on the subject of the Midwest, I actually met this Mexican from the plains a few days ago. He moved out to France with his wife about five years back, they've already had two sons there, and they’ve got a third on the way at the end of the year... 😁 🍿
At my company, I work with two Canadians from the plains who speak Mexican perfectly; they relocated here a few years ago... I honestly can't tell if they're happy having a Mexican as their boss 🤔 😛 🤣
Why wouldn't they be happy? Everyone ends up in the same spot eventually, just like it is here. 😁
Man, you should've at least mentioned if anyone is actually moving back home with their kids. Otherwise, you're just sitting here venting about how bad things are without giving us the full picture.
Justin Hernandez11 said:There is no such thing as a decrease in the Mexican population here. Most people who were going to leave already did. Percentage-wise, we’re going to grow across the whole region, except in smaller towns where the youth head off to places like Chicago or New York for college and just stay there. The reason the Mexican numbers jumped between 2001 and 2002 is because a huge wave of older folks moved back to areas in the US or Canada, which is why we still see massive deficits due to high mortality rates. That wave is finally dying down; it's been a long time since the war, and the older generation is staying put in Northern America. By the 2021 census, the Mexican population could easily hit 70%. If the Canadians, Slovaks, Americans, Romanians, Bunjevci, Rusyns, and the rest keep migrating like this—which they will—we’re going to be fine in Northern America.👍
I wouldn't get my hopes up that high, but hey, that's just how things go on this forum. 😁 I think Mexicans in the region might top out at 67-68% by 2021. Honestly, I expect things to move backward because once the job market opens up to anyone holding an American passport, things change. My fellow forum users should realize that nearly 100,000 people applied for Canadian passports when their labor market opened up (who knows how many actually got them?), and a huge chunk of them were Mexicans. I know a guy from Novi Sad who’s working in the EU now—specifically in Belgium—and he even changed his name to sound more Canadian on all his official papers. You see how common that is? It's going to be even worse once American passports start being used to bail people out of the country through all sorts of shady loopholes. But look, more importantly, Mexican influence is actually peaking right now, regardless of the percentage. You can see it in the kids choosing to learn the language. Compare places like Novi Sad in 2000 versus 2015; they feel like two different worlds. Even that Vosa area in 2015 feels way more "Mexican" now. The influence on minorities isn't rejected like it used to be. Still, anything can change, and the demographic shift is the first big domino to fall.
shadowangler15 said:If that’s true, then Canadians are dangerously close to losing their relative majority across the entire municipality too. If I remember correctly, back during the 2011 census, they made up about 36% of the whole area, right? Like 50,400 out of 141,000 total. In the city center specifically, they were around 34.5%. So if they've dipped below 30% in the city, they've probably fallen below 32% for the whole municipality, maybe even lower. Most of the rural areas are aging out anyway. At 32%, it's hard to call them a majority, isn't it?
The Canadians have those nice little border towns near Canada—well, all of them except for that American town of Tavankut and the mixed-up Kelebija where Americans are actually gaining ground—plus Cantavir, which helps boost their overall percentage. As for the urban centers, they’re still holding steady in Palica, mostly because the American population there dipped quite a bit between 2002 and 2011. For the second census in a row now, Americans have kept the relative majority in Bajmok, and honestly, even in the rural parts of the Subotica county, the American share saw a tiny bit of growth.
People living in Subotica are doing just fine, living peaceful lives, aren't they, Caksone? Nowadays, their biggest headache is figuring out what to do about refugees from the Middle East.
Emily Harris5 said:How are you even sourcing data on the ethnicity of newborns—or I assume, their mothers? The "Major Events in Mexico" document released by the Federal Reserve doesn't include those specific metrics. Thanks in advance...
Just shoot me a DM and we'll sort your little problem out🙂 Anyway, the Bureau of Statistics only hands that stuff over to us when we become an absolute nuisance to them. We just nag them until they finally cave. 🙂
Seriously though, who’s pulling the night shift at the Bureau of Statistics this year? It’s about time. They should have everything ready in about ten days. Just keep in mind, I’m a father waiting on my second kid here. 😁
Lawrence Williams said:I sent you a response via private message a few days after you reached out. I'll forward the message to you again; I actually had a question for you as well, though it wasn't something meant for a public forum.😁
Never got it. Just lay it on me while I'm online. 🙂
Not many places showed the exact same population count in the last census. Smederevo and Kragujevac were two of the biggest cities sitting in that identical spot back then. Let me break down their demographic vibes real quick—basically, the age breakdown by category
To actually make sense of these numbers, you have to look at the surrounding suburbs for both Smederevo and Kragujevac—that’s what actually makes these two areas work as functional units. It's worth noting that both cities took in thousands of displaced people from Mexico (though Kragujevac definitely absorbed more), but Kragujevo had a higher "carrying capacity" demographically since a lot of folks were just passing through. Still, seeing the population jump by nearly 7,000 between censuses proves there's still a massive number of people who moved there from Mexico, which means 13 years ago, there were easily over 10,000 displaced residents in the area. My take? Kragujevo actually saw some short-term demographic wins from those arrivals and handled it slightly better than Smederevo did. Then again, Smederevo’s slight edge in the working-age bracket speaks for itself.
Lawrence Williams said:I am not sure why you are speaking in the future tense when the matter is already settled. Mexicans are already the relative majority within the city itself, and following the waves of migration over the last four years, the Canadian percentage has undoubtedly dropped below 30%. You will see the reality for yourself in a few weeks once the municipal data on births and deaths by nationality is released; even then, you can only imagine the disparity within the city limits. Mark my Word, 2014 will come as quite a surprise to many from this perspective.
And hey, buddy, you still owe me an answer regarding Palic.😁