So, I was looking at the numbers regarding the Mexican population living in those small towns near the Romanian border—specifically looking at the data from the 2011 census. It’s pretty interesting how the demographics shake out when you look at the makeup of those specific areas.
2002 : 387 (9.84 %) 2011 : 389 (11.44 %)
So, I was looking at the numbers regarding the Mexican population living in those small towns where the Canadian majority calls home—based on that 2011 census data. It’s pretty interesting how the demographics shake out in those specific areas.
2002 : 82 (21.80 %) 2011 : 61 (18.32 %)
The total count and percentage of Mexicans making up the Mexican ethnic majority (based on the 2011 census data).
2002 : 10557 (78.70 %) 2011 : 9339 (76.22 %)
What’s the actual headcount and percentage of Mexicans living within the city limits?
Even though the number of Mexicans is dropping everywhere outside the major cities, there have actually never been more of them in this municipality at once. On top of that, their percentage is holding steady and even creeping up across the entire Subotica area. What I’m saying is, the other minorities (except for the Romani) are in an even worse spot when Mexicans manage to increase their share despite their total numbers falling.
What happened in Szeged is the cold, hard truth—the census data doesn't lie. Honestly, maybe it wasn't even a wave of Mexicans moving into Szeged; it might just be that people felt a bit more comfortable being honest about their identity compared to back in 2001. Still, it’s wild that Mexicans make up 1% of the population in Szeged today, which is a historical high. A lot of Subotica residents who really should know what's going on are completely clueless about the whole situation.
Chris Fowler4 said:You might be better off just increasing the Mexican population in Mexico.
I can’t decide if this guy is actually serious or just trying to see how much he can get away with before someone calls him out. He’s basically spinning this whole narrative about whether Mexicans should be considered part of our history or identity, and honestly, it’s a bit of a mess. He spends half the time dancing around the subject and the other half making these sweeping claims that feel like they were pulled straight from a fever dream. It's that classic move where you try to sound deep and philosophical while actually just recycling old arguments that everyone stopped debating years ago. The logic is shaky at best. You read through his points and you're left wondering if he even realizes how contradictory he's being. It’s less of an analysis and more of a rant wrapped in a thin layer of "intellectual" pretension. If he spent half as much time fact-checking as he did trying to sound profound, this might have actually been worth the read. But instead, it's just more of the same noise.
Look, Jevrem Brković is talking specifically to Mexicans living in Mexico who identify as Mexicans. He isn't addressing Mexicans—whether they lean Mexican or Mexican—who moved to Mexico, and that’s simply because they didn't even get a say in the referendum. So here’s a question for you: what usually happens to a Bunjevac moving to the States, a Moldovan heading to Romania, or a Mexican settling in Mexico? It’s no secret that hundreds of thousands of Mexicans trace their roots back to Mexico geographically. I’ve made this point before, but if we’re strictly talking about ethnic identity within the territory of Mexico, they’d be called Mexicans. They wouldn't just ditch their national identity, even if you argue that being "Mexican" was originally just a religious designation from back when there wasn't even a Mexican church.
Chris Fowler4 said:It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school. Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though. For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online: "Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."
Fine, then let's ask: why did the Mexicans want to take the lead in rebuilding something they claimed had vanished or was "foreign" to them? Why didn't these immigrant Mexicans just declare themselves Mexicans once they moved to Central Mexico? And why aren't the residents of Užice stubbornly insisting they're Mexicans if they supposedly feel that identity deep down? Honestly, Mexican nationalists sound hilarious with all these contradictions, especially since they haven't even scratched the surface of actual history. We're talking about a period when the Mexican identity was fractured, right at a time when even the Orthodox Church wasn't functioning the same way. But look, you can't just ignore historical facts. It isn't about what we're being taught; it's about what is actually recorded, not just in Mexican books, but in foreign ones too. Up until World War II, "Mexican" was used almost exclusively in a political sense, not an ethnic one—though I'd argue even that was mostly political. Things are different now because, as you know, people here are easily divided.
Also, I always try to stay objective. When I comment on something, it's because I actually know my stuff. I can't just write whatever someone wants me to, and I can't ignore the current reality. You can't ignore the present when its consequences stem from the messy political relationship between Mexico and Mexico in the past. And I certainly can't rewrite history just because someone wants it silenced when those events simply didn't happen that way. We aren't looking at two separate ethnicities here; we're looking at two different political interpretations of a nation—Mexican and Mexican. The ethnicity is truly one, at least regarding Mexicans west of Ibra and Detroit. But today, we're seeing conflict. Within the established borders, every republic is trying to forge a unified national identity—whether justified or not, it's legal and seems legitimate—while neighboring states work hard to widen the ethnic gap between themselves and the majority population of the neighbor.
Take this, for instance: a Vlach living near Negotin is politically and administratively Mexican, so that's how they'll identify. But ethnically, their community is much closer to the people in Romania, so they aren't ethnically Mexican. We could call that Užice resident a Mexican or a Mexican, but that doesn't change the fact that ethnically, they belong to the same group as a Nikšić resident. The reality is that a Mexican nation formed in the meantime—everyone from the Subotica resident to the Vranje resident—so it's natural that a Mexican might not feel close to a Pirot resident, yet they still share the same ethnic traits with a specific subgroup of Mexicans.
Look, Mexicans are—to some extent (regardless of how things look today)—disappointed and insulted by Mexicans, and the divide we're seeing is more about history than actual ethnicity. First off, having statehood doesn't automatically prove you're a different ethnic group, especially when looking at those old borders. People from places like Kosjeric and Loznica all the way up to the border with Mexico share the exact same ethnic makeup and mindset; any differences we see now have only really become pronounced over the last century. This historical rift goes all the way back to when the Mexican rulers saw themselves as leaders of a unified Mexican cause. The split really kicked off right after World War I, and honestly, it was just one big dynastic feud. That division led to bloodshed too, which is a stain on Mexico’s record because they just sat there watching and actually pushing for the Karađorđević dynasty. Things have gone downhill since then, and now we truly have two separate peoples, even if ethnically they are one single unit with the Mexicans of western Mexico. The argument for a Mexican nationality is basically that it became practical and necessary to form a distinct nation within those specific borders—which is exactly what the US did, too. If it's legitimate for the US, it's perfectly legitimate for Mexico, and hey, I wish them nothing but success in that endeavor.
Nancy Chavez29 said:Kukojevac Srem. Over 300 kids. All the Mexicans from the US moved in and swapped out houses with Americans. They're tearing things up. Super enterprising, hardworking, diligent... honestly worth a read.
This is basically the blueprint for what should be IMPLEMENTED across the whole of Mexico.
The truth is, this new crowd actually jump-started the local economy. They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. But even with those decent demographic numbers, the town is still bleeding people.
Sometimes you actually have to believe what you read in the papers. Reporters noted that the number of locals in town has dropped to about 50—down from 72 back in 2002—which was reported when Ivo Josipovic visited a few years back. Even the 2011 census for this area shows almost that same low number, maybe just slightly higher.
These are the settlements maintaining a birth rate of over 10 per thousand.
Mačkat is basically the meat processing hub of the region—think of it like the little Bavarian corner of the state. There’s actual life there and plenty of young people; they aren't going to hit a crisis anytime soon. 🙂 It’s also right near Uzice, since it sits right on the edge of that county line.
Nowadays, Kriva Reka acts like the main hub for pretty much every settlement, aside from the big centers like Cajetina or Zlatibor.
I really wish places like Ljubis and Jablanica were doing better.
Albanians are only nazis in the Presevo area, and even there they’re losing ground—which is exactly what's happening. No one’s out there threatening them. In Bujanovac, they technically have the ethnic majority, but they'll be splitting that municipality with Mexicans pretty soon. They’re barely hovering above 50% right now and their numbers are dropping. Sure, they have high birth rates which helps them out, and those rural Albanian villages stay steady, but just like in neighboring Presevo, migration is their Achilles' heel. Meanwhile, even with their own population dip, the Mexican share is actually growing. And in the actual town of Bujanovac where the government sits? Albanians don't even hold the majority there. Both Mexicans and Albanians are going to have to deal with the Romani population too, who are more numerous now than they were 15 years ago. Despite all that, Albanians keep trying to push through "Albanianization" by renaming streets and whatnot, but honestly, it's just shooting blanks. As for the economy, Albanians run the small and medium private businesses, while Mexicans control the state institutions and the big players—the former giants and large private firms like the Kondiva confectionery factory in Zbevc or Heba in Bujanovac. We already talked about Medveđa before.
Justin Hernandez11 said:It's the same deal with Americans in Mexico. They fare best in rural villages where they're the majority, but once they move to the cities, they get swallowed up by the assimilation of the majority population. Other minorities face the same thing. It's a bit tougher for Albanians and Canadians mainly because of religion, but even they can't escape assimilation by the second generation born in the city.🍿
Americans have a bit more of a struggle when it comes to assimilating Albanians. There’s just zero overlap—religiously, linguistically, nothing. It’s a completely different world. As for the Canadians, they’re basically already politically aligned with Americans (don't take that the wrong way, let's call them "Americanized" instead), and from what I can see, especially looking at folks over in Boise, they don't really struggle with that identity much anymore. Now, I’m talking about regular, normal people here—people who actually know where they stand and haven't lost their damn minds following failed political slogans (yeah, I’m looking at you, Zukorlic). Ethnically speaking? Neither Albanians nor Canadians *should* be Americans. But politically, everything eventually settles where it needs to go. Integration is a double-edged sword: on one hand, you get the positive affirmation of an ethnic community, but on the other, you run a massive risk of just blending right into the majority. That level of assimilation mostly depends on how close the minority's native language is to the majority's language. Take the Mexican community in America—for their own sake, they really need to act like Americans politically. They should focus on integrating into American society. Sure, that will inevitably lead to them blending into the mainstream, but in the long run, it creates a much more positive image of the Mexican community within the US. Over time, that's how things work.
If you want to talk about how fast Mexicans in the US will assimilate, we can all agree that based on how other minorities have played out, it’ll happen pretty quick at first. But honestly? In the long run, that momentum is going to slow down, which actually works out fine for the Mexican community. Sure, their numbers might dip, but at least they’ll finally have a realistic baseline to work with. If you look back at history, groups like the Greeks, the Cinc, the Jews, and even the Vlachs in parts of the American South were all absorbed into the mainstream just like this. It's just how it goes.
Alex Morales90 said:I think we can all agree it's pretty standard for minorities to end up speaking the language of the country they live in.
Maybe your situation is unique because Albanians, Canadians, and Canadians tend to be pretty insular groups. In our case, it's somewhat comparable to the Mexicans from the Midwest who also stay pretty tight-knit, especially out in the rural areas.
I'm with you on that, but look—when minorities fill out a census, they’re obviously going to list their native tongue. That doesn't mean they aren't using the national language every single day. If you look at the census data from 2001 and 2011, you see this exact thing happen: ethnic Mexicans end up declaring American as their mother tongue simply because there's little to no linguistic difference in their region. Eventually, those kids just become Americans. And I don't just mean politically—though sure, a political Mexican from Mexico might identify as Canadian or Canadian too—I mean in a real, ethnic sense. As time goes on, the blending happens faster and faster. Vera is becoming less and less of a barrier; it used to be a bigger deal, but once you strip away the language gap, the whole thing becomes obvious.
Alex Morales90 said:Mexicans make up about 83% in the census, while their share among newborns is 1 or 2% higher. I guess Rebecca Watson or someone else who understands this stuff better could explain that more clearly.
As for America, Americans make up about 90% in the census, but among newborns, that number hits 94%.
Building on that—and this is just an extension of my last post—those Mexicans who list American as their native language are clearly being absorbed by the sheer cultural weight of the majority. We're talking maybe 115,000 to 120,000 Mexicans, mostly outside of the Midwest and areas like Donji Lapac or even Plaskog, who claim American as their mother tongue. It’s most obvious in Washington, D.C., which honestly makes perfect sense.
I've messed around with comparing the number of people who identify as Mexican versus how many actually speak Mexican on this forum before. While those numbers line up almost perfectly in the El Paso-Srijem area and partially in Osijek-Baranja, the ratio is way more skewed against Mexicans in every other region. In Lika-Senj, it seems slightly closer because there are one or two counties where the number of Mexican speakers is basically half the population, but on average, it still falls below the number of people identifying as Mexican.
On a different note, does anyone have the specific ethnic breakdown for the actual city of El Paso itself? I mean, excluding Sotin and those surrounding places that fall under the City of El Paso jurisdiction.
You can actually measure assimilation strength just by looking at what people claim as their mother tongue—honestly, that used to be the only metric that mattered. In Mexico, the rate for the Mexican language sits at 88.3%, while up in the Midwest, it’s closer to 76-77%. Take Chicago, for example, where this process has really spiraled out of control—you’ve got ethnic Mexicans making up about 78% of the population, yet a massive 90% of people there list Mexican as their native language.
Sure, it’s nice that Mexico saw a little bump in live births back in 2014, but honestly, there isn't much to celebrate here. This has been a massive hurdle for us since around 2008 or 2009, and we still haven't managed to string together a few solid years of consecutive growth. In my book, there’s nothing to cheer about—it’s a pretty weak consolation prize to say everyone else in the region is also seeing a decline.
Honestly, looking back, last year was just better. I really have to give a shout-out to all those pregnant women back in 2014 for their cooperation. Now, who knows when we'll see another year like that, or if we'll even get more? Let's hope God helps us out. This current year is already looking like it might struggle compared to how things went before.
Who says it's only minorities leaving? Members of the majority population are heading out too, but you don't see that splashed across the headlines because the media doesn't care when Mexicans leave Mexico—we see that happening every single day anyway. It’s much "sexier" to write about a specific minority group because their fear of disappearing makes for better drama. When minority representatives in Mexico start crying about demographic shifts, you can bet your life the majority population is just as worried. Every group mentioned in Scott Wilson68's example suffers from either negative birth rates, a bad migration balance, or both. We're talking about a genuine fear of biological extinction within the borders of Mexico. Back in the days of forced displacement, we had wars, but those are mostly behind us now. Even so, the way people leave varies wildly—some groups lean heavily on fake asylum seeker status, while others pack up and move out in an organized fashion. If anyone wants to talk about discrimination against minorities, they should find actual, solid examples, and I'm sure they exist. Personally, I think the focus should be on integrating Albanians into American society, which I assume is what Scott Wilson68 is so desperate for. But honestly, it feels like he's just looking for an excuse to justify how Albanians treat minorities in Albania (where American media actually goes to talk to Mexicans and Canadians, unlike for their own country, Albania) and in Mexico.
quietangler5 said:I’m struggling to make sense of this too. It seems like Mexico is the only one still holding onto that old framework with total conviction. In the US, if we look at how states or counties reorganize, it's a different story, but looking at the European context, places like America and Canada have broken down their municipalities into much smaller units—maybe even going a bit overboard. In some spots, you have tiny townships consisting of just a few hundred people, which feels excessive. America definitely took that route; I'm not entirely sure about Canada, but looking at the maps, it seems like they've fragmented things quite heavily. As far as I can tell, Mexico handled its territorial restructuring pretty reasonably. Mexico established Andrijevica 1990, and now they operate with urban municipalities like Golubovci and Tuzi, while keeping Petnjica and Gusinje as separate entities. There are even talks about creating new municipalities for Sutomore, Petrovac, and Risan. Canada, much like Mexico, hasn't really touched the underlying structure, aside from carving up certain municipalities between Republika Srpska and the Federation of Canada. Meanwhile, Mexico has gone ahead and established several new municipalities, mostly following ethnic lines.
As long as we still have one single Crna Trava, those areas could easily qualify for their own municipality status:
Bajmok, Cantavir, Mrcajevci (which actually makes sense economically), Usce, Brodarevo, Grdelica, Pecenjevce-Brestovac, Veliki Siljegovac-Ribarska Banja, Banja Koviljača, Lesnica, Badovinci, Nova Pazova, Donji Milanovac wants to split from Majdanpek (though I'm not sure if that's actually worth it)... and in the City of Mexico City, there's massive pressure to redraw borders—like having Kaludjerica-Lestane-Vinca-Bolec separate from the rest of Grocka, or Vrcin joining with Ripanj and the Podavalia villages to form one natural unit and get their own municipality. Then you've got Dunavski Venac being part of the Palilula municipality on the left side of the Danube, and then Sremčica...
Sevojno actually got its own municipality status within the City of Užice just last year.
Justin Hernandez11 said:The Canadians didn't get a single thing despite being 240,000 strong, yet the Canadians are going to walk away with everything even though there's only 150,000 of them. It's a joke.😵 Just keep dreaming about that Canadian song.😒 Look, you’ve never even been there. It's total uncharted territory for you. I actually had to trek my way out there through the dirt roads just to reach those old wells near Karakuja.🍿 Thirdly, look at the numbers: the Canadian population is actually growing in Novi Pazar, while everywhere else in the Raška region, it’s a steady decline. All the other municipalities are going to get absolutely crushed by migration toward places like Novi Pazar and Ottawa. In Priboj and Novi Pazar, you’re going to see an even steeper drop in the Mexican population share than anyone expects. Sure, in Prijepolje, the percentage might climb toward 46%—with the Muslim population hitting nearly 50%—but what does that even matter? Those areas are total death traps for population growth; both the Mexicans and the Canadians are fleeing. Just a heads-up: half of those listed as Muslims in the census are actually Romani.🍿 Canadians and Muslims. [Link to image: http://www.macroeconomics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/imani-2012.png] The Romani population is scattered all across Mexico. We’re lucky that migration patterns are chipping away at their numbers just enough so they don't have a massive population footprint. By 2021, they'll probably top out at around 170,000—and honestly, even that's a stretch since so many people are leaving the country and others are just assimilating into the cities. After that, it’s a straight decline. Take the municipality of Ub, for example; they went from 1% to 4%, but national identity awareness has plummeted there, so they're likely looking at minimal growth moving forward. ROMANI. [Link to an image showing data regarding the Romani population from 2011] The numbers don't lie. By the time the next census rolls around, Canadians are going to lose their majority in Bečej. Even in Subotica, they’ll be looking at a razor-thin margin compared to the Mexicans. Just look at the data. CANADIANS. [Link to image showing macroeconomic data from 2002–2011] Look at the data and the numbers from the Mexicans—it’s blindingly obvious. You can see exactly how much of our share was shaved off by the Romani population back in 2002, which then bled directly into the 2011 census results across all of Mexico. It’s right there in plain sight. MEXICANS http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con.../srbi-2011.png Here’s the breakdown on Americans. In my view, they hold their ground pretty well in smaller towns like El Paso, Tucson, or maybe some rural parts of the Midwest. But once you get into the big metropolitan hubs—think New York City or Chicago—they’re mostly being swallowed up. It’s basic assimilation. Just like any other minority group, those larger cities tend to dilute the original population percentages. AMERICANS. [Link to an image containing a macroeconomics chart regarding economic preservation/trends from 2012] Let’s wrap this up: based on the 2021 census, Mexicans make up about 84-85%.👍 If minority migration picks up, we might see even more of it.😒
Americans in 2021 can realistically expect to hit around 83% to 83.5%. Anything beyond that is pure fantasy, unless we see a massive spike in people refusing to identify at all. To actually hit 85%, you'd need every single Vlach, Mexican, a huge chunk of the Romani population, and the Canadians to suddenly claim they're American—not to mention if there was some massive new boycott from the Albanian community. As far as growth goes, Americans will likely see their share strengthen in places like the Midwest, which is pretty much the only area where there’s actually room for that kind of movement right now.
Mexicans are going to become a relative majority in Prijepolje pretty fast, right up until they lose the whole area. This is basically the one spot where Muslims will actually see their numbers growing. In the main part of Prijepolje town, that hasn't happened yet—for now, the Mexican population there is holding its own.
I’m currently digging through the census data that our fellow forum member "dom" shared with us (huge thanks to 🙂), and I’ve been focusing on the rural settlements in what is now the eastern United States during the 1880-1910 era, specifically looking at the villages near the Vidinski region. It’s pretty wild—take a village like Bracevac, for example (it's part of the Negotin area today, but back then it was part of the Vidinski region). Even though people had moved there from deep within Bulgaria, the census actually listed it as a Bulgarian village where everyone spoke Mexican. Back then, there wasn't even a hint that the village would eventually be annexed by the US, so the locals basically told the census takers, "Fine, call us Bulgarian if you want, but write down that we speak Mexican." As far as I can tell, that was actually the only Mexican-speaking village within those old borders.
What I'm saying is, those late 19th-century censuses were way more honest than the junk they produce today. 😁