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Double standards in health PDFs? in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 21, 2009

I suppose I've heard about mass hysteria occurring during the Middle Ages, but nobody would have expected it to manifest on a forum.
Has anyone seen that Budweiser commercial where those guys are screaming inside a locker room?
Well, this place is basically that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A

Proposed fix for PDF account discrepancies | Alternative medicine in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 21, 2009

Anthony Lewis75 said:I guess this thread is just another attempt to tear down anyone with an opposing view.

Proposed fix for PDF account discrepancies | Alternative medicine in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 20, 2009

Kate Fisher73 said:dustyharbor18,
there's actually a massive group of people who think you can treat schizophrenia with LSD.
The size of the group isn't the issue; it's how dangerous certain factions are to people who don't know better.

So, if nothing else, it would be better if these two PDFs were side-by-side. Maybe they should both be labeled "according to their own methods," but having them positioned together would be more informative and might help clear up some of the confusion coming from either file.

Regards,

LSD is explicitly illegal in the US.
MMS isn't illegal anywhere.

Proposed fix for PDF account discrepancies | Alternative medicine in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 20, 2009

feraltrucker5 said:Why is the attitude always so defensive and exclusionary?

You're undermining the whole point of this forum being a place for debate. Because there’s no real alternative discussion here. It seems like you're only allowed to blindly worship every stupid idea.

That isn't even close.
But this is starting to turn into pure hysteria.
There's a difference between debating and when one small, clearly agitated group spends days on end just provoking people and whining.
They seem to assume everyone else is just
MONKEYS, SICKOS, IDIOTS, LOSERS, MORONS, SCUM, ASSHOLES, IMBECILES, IGNORAMUSES, CRIMINALS

Assuming that about such a large group of people is pretty arrogant and, frankly, just stupid.

Proposed fix for PDF account discrepancies | Alternative medicine in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 20, 2009

Kate Fisher73 said:To whom it may concern,

I would suggest placing the Health PDF and the alternative medicine PDF side by side on the forum homepage.

In my opinion, the alternative medicine PDF is quite dangerous due to topics like this and similar matters.
However, let's assume many people, myself included, might be wrong when we protest against such topics.

Still, placing the Health PDF at such a lower position on the homepage than the alternative medicine PDF would indirectly imply subordinating medicine and science to alternative medicine methods.

Therefore, I request that the Health PDF be placed immediately next to the alternative medicine PDF (ideally above it), so that even superficial users searching the internet for "miracle" cures can get a slightly better perspective. Regards

dear enky, if everyone thought the same thing, there wouldn't be a forum. I don't see any issue here.
you can move a wardrobe around a room all you want, but a wardrobe is still just a wardrobe.

Regarding the dangers of MMS—if people are worried, they should contact the CDC, the Department of Health and Human Services, the police, or the fire department, or whatever.
feel free to form volunteer squads to conduct home inspections or something.
harmful or not, whether it's a forum or not, people have phones; they can message and visit each other, so I don't know how you think you can stop Americans from doing what they already intend to do with this forum, with or without it.

Alternative treatments - thread disappeared in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 19, 2009

Andrew Morales67 said:Coprophagia—healing through feces

eat shit Andrew Morales67
🤣😂

Alternative treatments - thread disappeared in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 19, 2009

Andrew Morales67 said:I need an explanation. Why was my thread removed? I guess I might have broken a rule, but I don't know which one.

Don't play dumb. You know exactly why your thread was deleted.

bye bye
👋

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 18, 2009

Kyle Nelson2 said:So, to address several posts:

- I am a supporter of alternative methods (my username implies that), and I have been "involved" in this scene for as long as I can remember. However, because I have been around so long, I can see the difference between people using alternative medicine to actually heal and those who just see it as a cash cow. Some won't even offer basic advice—even when they know it’s wrong and could lead to death—just to protect their profits.
- If I point out that a specific user's "degree" from a certain institute isn't actually a degree, but just a piece of paper recognized only by that one organization and essentially worthless everywhere else, that isn't trolling. It is a fact.
- If I ask someone to explain how their method works, what it's based on, or if there is any actual research behind it, that isn't trolling either. It is just a request for information.
- If I state that a user's claims don't line up—like claiming a drug is patented and secret when a patent filing is a public document, or exaggerating costs (claiming hundreds of thousands of dollars when the real fees are much lower)—then I am not trolling. I am calling out an obvious lie.

I guess this seems like reasonable argumentation to me—definitely worth noting. 👍

The truth is that the alternative scene is full of all sorts of characters. A lot of people spout incredible nonsense, which ends up casting doubt on the parts of alternative medicine that are actually worth paying attention to.

As for moderation, that is a different issue entirely. It is incredibly difficult to balance opposing sides. In my opinion, the best tactic is probably just trying to reduce tension on both sides. Maybe someone's argument is technically correct, but the way they present it still matters.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Gregory Turner71 said:What’s even the difference between that and what she turned that forum into over at Alternative for Change, other than the platform they use?

I suppose you have some people acting like authorities, telling others how to treat their illnesses just to sell them supplements. Naturally, they lack any actual medical credentials to be doing that.

And please don't drive me crazy with this talk about amateurs just giving casual advice. These are people posing as experts, convincing others to ignore their doctors just so they can peddle products. It isn't some naive conversation; it's a calculated business designed to make a decent amount of money.

Alternative treatments are organized precisely because there clearly is a collective demand for them. The most obvious reason people turn to them is when modern medicine fails them. Medicine has its limits, I guess. Everyone knows that...
The people you claim are playing authority figures are just those who managed to solve their own problems using alternative methods. It seems logical to me that they would want to share that enthusiasm with others.
How would you feel if you recovered from some chronic or incurable illness? I doubt you'd care whether the cure came from a professional or an amateur.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Gregory Turner71 said:Code:
U.S. Criminal Code, Section 244.

(1) Whoever, lacking the required professional credentials, treats another person or provides medical assistance,

shall be punished by a fine of up to sixty days' wages or imprisonment for up to six months.

(2) Whoever commits the offense from paragraph 1 of this section for a reward or for profit,

shall be punished by a fine or imprisonment for up to one year.

Preparation and production of harmful medicinal agents

Section 245.

(1) Whoever prepares or produces preparations or products for sale or other means of commercialization which are harmful to human health,

shall be punished by a fine or imprisonment for up to one year.

There are also books out there that glorify drugs in one way or another. That’s a completely different matter. Here, someone is making money through unlicensed practice, preparing dangerous substances under the guise of health, and advertising them via forums.

As far as I know, a thread with these same complaints was open on the legal subforum for a while. They closed the thread—I guess I wonder why.
The quote you provided would apply to someone opening a clinic and treating people.
Cases where laypeople advise each other and exchange information happen in all sorts of situations. It isn't rare for people to give advice or even share medications prescribed to them by doctors. I guess you can't really stop that by policing a forum. I doubt it.
If advertising is the issue, then they could just as easily shut down cooking threads because they promote potatoes and sausages, which someone might profit from or someone else might get an upset stomach from. I mean—it’s about substances that can be bought for pennies in various places.
Regarding the legality of consuming MMS and similar things, maybe all these busybodies should just contact the publisher and the author directly and continue this debate there, or through the appropriate authorities.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Joseph Watson3 said:Suggesting people drink this because it kills bacteria makes about as much sense as telling someone to swap their antibiotics for whiskey just because alcohol disinfects things. You could even go a step further and suggest it for cancer or autoimmune issues instead of just bacterial stuff. 🤣

I guess one thing doesn't make sense to me—if there is so much interest from the "opposition" regarding the supposed dangers of MMS, why hasn't anyone actually read the book by the guy who started all this before drawing conclusions? Jim Humble
Judging something based solely on forum debates and then foaming at the mouth or spamming the board with constant protests is pretty ridiculous, as long as these self-righteous types claiming to seek truth and knowledge don't actually inform themselves about what they are attacking. Claiming to be objective while refusing to look at the other side's arguments seems like pure irrational hysteria to me.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Joseph Watson3 said:For instance, that guy Alan_SP—the absolute crackpot over there—is claiming that MMS can cure basically every illness out there, and that the EU and the USA are actually aiming to wipe out 95% of the global population.

So what? 🤷 I guess he’s allowed to say it. 😕 He isn't an editor at Britannica or the Secretary of Health; he's just some guy on a forum who can write whatever he wants, provided he doesn't break any US laws or the site rules.
The whole point of a forum is that people debate everything—which I suppose provides enough common sense and critical thinking when things get weird.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Joseph Watson3 said:Everything is acceptable if you stick to certain dosages. For water disinfection, doses under 1 ppm are used. Those suggesting alternatives recommend much higher doses than 1 ppm, which I guess makes it toxic.

What should I say? granitefox16 He said everything there is to say.

Until some scientific study proves that this damn MMS isn't actually dangerous or bad, I guess the topic belongs in the "Alternative Medicine" section of the PDF. It's called alternative for a reason, maybe.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Joseph Watson3 said:This isn't even reasoning; it's just pure nonsense. Don't you realize we are talking about a poison here?

Chlorine dioxide is used in dentistry for cavity disinfection, it's used in flour bleaching, they put it in the water supply, and so on.🤷
So, even if it is toxic—it's obviously acceptable in certain doses. I guess the question is, what exactly is the issue?

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Melissa Castillo said:So, you're saying only things that are criminalized are bad or (potentially) dangerous 🤔?

Of course not. But we are talking about formalities here.
I suppose it’s best if moderation stays neutral—which is what we try to do—while obviously not allowing people to insult one another.
It seems pretty absurd to demand that people be punished just because they want to have an open conversation about something that isn't illegal or prohibited.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 17, 2009

Gregory Turner71 said:You can find anything online, from fake Viagra to counterfeit Nikes, pirated software, or even child pornography...

You just listed illegal and criminal acts.

For comparison:
You can buy a book about MMS at any bookstore—it's perfectly legal. The guy who wrote it gives lectures all over the world, and he does it legally too.
So, I guess what are we actually debating here??

There isn't a single law that makes the substances or methods discussed on this forum illegal.

@Joseph Watson3/">@@Joseph Watson3, people do all sorts of things via private message
and, well, as the name implies, that is their own business.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 16, 2009

crimsonhound80 said:I know.

I was complaining about my own post being deleted, not about why others aren't getting the same treatment.😛

That subforum has turned into total garbage, just like Alternative or Magic-Mystic and stuff. It could probably use some actual quality.

Do you get it now?

My dear colleague. It isn't garbage—it's avant-garde! But I guess since nobody is a prophet in their own hometown, it’s the same story here on this American forum.☕

I was just wondering why things are allowed everywhere else on the web, yet somehow they aren't permitted here. (Which is what those of you who constantly complain are always on about.)
That was the question.

Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 15, 2009

It’s honestly surprising and insulting that you can discuss these same controversial alternative methods and ingredients anywhere else on the web. You can even buy books or order and consume these substances in person, not just online.
Are the moderators here the only ones who think everything mentioned should be sanctioned?
I don't get it.
So, I guess everyone participating in this crusade against alternative practitioners and their methods should try working through their members of Congress and legislative bodies to get the Malleus Maleficarum passed in the US. That way, we might actually have a legal basis to punish or delete the topics and posts you're all complaining about.

Can I change my thread title after 5 years? in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 9, 2009

Kate Fisher73 said:dustyharbor18,
look, please, for my sake, just give him back that "original" title. If nothing else, do it for some flashy, heavily made-up blonde with bright red nails and heavy makeup who shows up at your door smiling, and you always let her in. There isn't really a difference between her and our friend hiddenpuma75, except he does it all in his own sophisticated way.
so,
just open the door for hiddenpuma75. 🙂

(Good argument, right? 🤣)

Are you trying to say hiddenpuma75 is actually a drag queen? 😲 If that's not obvious enough, maybe I should put on some heavy makeup and leave the bathroom door wide open for him since he’s apparently dealing with some stomach issues lately. 😛

Can I change my thread title after 5 years? in Feedback & Suggestions · Jun 9, 2009

hiddenpuma75 said:Back in 2004, I 😲 started a thread with its original title

I Ching - the perfect binary hieroglyph, or when the Tao whispers.

That thread stayed active for five years without a single moderator complaining about the title.

Then, out of nowhere and without any explanation, the moderator dustyharbor18 changed my thread title to something worse and more banal: I Ching.🙄

I asked to have my specific title restored since it didn't bother anyone for five years, but it was useless.

The moderator Luiz temporarily restored my original title,
but then dustyharbor18 changed it again.

I also want to know if anyone can provide links or names of administrators I can contact to file a complaint regarding this unnecessary title change.
(I've never complained to admins before, but this moderator's arbitrary behavior has gone too far.)

Reddit really can't do anything when it comes to major issues like this.
Maybe you should reach out to the Ministry of Culture in Taiwan.
Or maybe Hu Jintao personally? He'd probably welcome you—because—
calling that book just "I Ching" is truly banal.

Maybe as a reward for coming up with such a "genius" title, you'll get a few acres in the Gobi Desert where everyone who thinks your poetic expression isn't genius will be deported. Who needs a few acres—take the whole desert!