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I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the concept of "identity" in big organizations, whether we're talking about massive corporations, local institutions, or even just the way a specific community carries itself. There’s this romanticized idea that the best way to build something lasting is to nurture talent from within. We love the narrative of the "prodigy"—the person who grew up under your roof, learned your specific way of doing things, and eventually rose to the top to carry the torch. It feels organic, it feels pure, and it feels like it builds a foundation that money just can't buy.

But lately, I’ve been feeling a bit more skeptical about that "build from within" philosophy when the stakes are incredibly high.

Don't get me wrong, I love a good underdog story. There is something deeply satisfying about watching someone come through the ranks, especially when you've watched them struggle through the "junior" stages. It creates a sense of continuity. When a group is composed of people who have been trained by the same system, they tend to speak the same language, intuitively understand the unspoken rules, and move with a level of cohesion that you just can't manufacture by buying a bunch of high-priced experts from the outside. It’s that "DNA" argument people always use.

However, I can't help but wonder if we over-rely on this narrative as a way to mask a lack of external resources. There’s a fine line between "we are cultivating the next generation of leaders" and "we simply can't afford to bring in anyone else, so we're going to call this necessity 'visionary leadership.'"

I look at how different industries handle this. In the tech world, you see these massive companies that pride themselves on their "university" culture, where they take in fresh grads and mold them. It works for a while, but eventually, you hit a ceiling. If you aren't constantly injecting outside perspectives—people who have seen how other companies operate, people who bring "disruptive" ideas—you risk becoming an echo chamber. You become so specialized in your own way of doing things that you lose the ability to adapt when the world changes around you.

I remember back when I was working at that mid-sized marketing firm. We were so proud of our "internal promotion" policy. We thought we were being ethical and loyal. But after five years, the atmosphere became incredibly stagnant. Everyone thought the same way, used the same cliches, and nobody wanted to challenge the "old guard" because we had all been raised by the same mentors. We were technically proficient, but we were totally blind to the shifts happening in the broader market. We had plenty of "homegrown" talent, but zero "new blood" to tell us we were heading for a cliff.

It brings up a massive "what if" for me: At what point does internal development stop being a strength and start being a crutch?

If you lean too hard on the people you’ve trained yourself, you might achieve incredible short-term stability and cohesion, but you sacrifice the friction that causes growth. Real progress often comes from the discomfort of bringing in someone who *doesn't* fit your mold—someone who challenges your assumptions and forces you to defend your methods. If you only ever play with the people who already know your playbook, are you actually evolving, or are you just perfecting a version of yourself that might soon be obsolete?

I’m curious to hear what you all think about this. Do you think a "cultivated" culture is the only way to maintain true longevity and soul, or is it actually a trap that prevents real, high-level evolution? Is it better to have a tight-knit group of specialists who know the system inside out, or a diverse group of experts who constantly push the boundaries?
Broken Hip in Health ·
frozenangler9 says:
Man, I’m not even allowed to turn her over—at least, that’s what she keeps telling me. There’s zero chance for me to get a look at her back to see if anything's actually going on back there.
Nah, I don't think so. Honestly, I'm pretty sure everything's fine on that front. No biggie. 🙂

stormywolf2:
Don't even think about trying that without the Head Nurse knowing and seeing everything. Seriously. If any complications pop up from whatever stunt you're pulling, they aren't gonna blame the hospital—they're gonna pin it squarely on you. You'll be the one left holding the bag.

Hey, could you do me a massive favor? Maybe work your magic and be all polite and charming—you know how you get—and see if you can talk to one of the nurses? Just see if she can help you double-check things, just so you can be absolutely sure your mom hasn't developed any DK ulcerations.
Look, I wouldn't recommend playing hero here. Seriously. It’s just not smart. If you want the real scoop on the therapy or how Mom is actually doing, you gotta go straight to the doctor. Period. And if you're looking for details on her day-to-day care or the physical therapy stuff? That’s a conversation for the Head Nurse on the floor. Don't go off doing things on your own "at your own risk" or whatever—that's a recipe for disaster. You don't want the nurses or the doctors left in the dark. Everything has to be coordinated with them. Just stick to the plan.

frozenangler9:
Could it actually be microemboli instead of pneumonia? I mean, seriously, can a microembolism just slip under the radar like that? And if it does... what kind of mess are we looking at for the aftermath?

stormywolf2:
Every single micro-embolism is gonna trigger some micro-pneumonia. It’s just how it works. But honestly? With her situation, we could also be looking at a specific type of basal pneumonia—the kind that kicks in because she’s been stuck in bed, and those bottom parts of the lungs just don't get enough air circulation when you're immobile. Or, keeping it simple, it could just be resorption fever from the body trying to soak up that hematoma around the fracture site. Just one thing after another, really.

frozenangler9:
She was running a massive fever from day two through day six after the surgery, just spiking like crazy, and then—bam—it suddenly dropped right back down to almost normal. Turns out they switched her over to Klavocin after that first antibiotic totally flopped on her.
The fever finally broke! She’s looking way better and actually seems to be in a decent mood for once.🙂

stormywolf2:
Look, if there was some kind of pneumonia going on, the doctors are the only ones who actually know the deal. They’ve got the X-rays and all those other lab results to piece it together—it's not like we can just guess. Honestly, it could be anything from that weird "rebound fever" thing to some kind of localized infection in the urinary tract or somewhere else down there. Who knows? It's all a mess.

frozenangler9:
I told her that everyone on here was sending their best and rooting for her to pull through, and honestly? It looked like it actually cheered her up. 😉
She told me I gotta go thank her for all the good vibes and pass along her best to everyone. 🙂

stormywolf2:
Look, it’s absolutely critical that we help her break through that depression funk. Seriously. If she can't get her head above water, she's never going to find the drive to actually get moving—and getting her mobilized is the whole damn game if we want this to work without everything hitting the fan. It's all connected.

frozenangler9:
So, they finally pulled her stitches out today, which totally killed her physical therapy session. Just one thing after another, right? Typical.😕 So, tomorrow's a holiday, then the weekend hits... that means four straight days where I don't have to lift a single finger. Four whole days of staying firmly planted in bed. Honestly? Sounds like heaven.
I mean, I honestly don't get it. How does something this massive—this critical—just get put on ice just because of a bunch of holidays? Like, seriously? It makes zero sense to me. 😕

stormywolf2:
So, here's the deal with this "physical therapy" they’re running around here—it’s basically just a joke. It’s always the same old routine: some stripped-down version of PT that consists of nothing more than basic bed exercises and turning you over every few hours. Honestly? The nurses end up playing physical therapist because, let’s face it, the actual PT staff probably all took the holidays off to go somewhere sunny. So yeah, instead of real rehab, you get the bare minimum. Total joke.
Look, this isn't anything out of the ordinary. You can't just go forcing things here—honestly, trying to push through it could end up doing way more harm than good. But hey, you didn't actually tell us what caused the fall in the first place when you broke that bone. Was it some kind of fainting spell? Or maybe even some TIAs—you know, those transient ischemic attacks in the brain? Just wondering.

frozenangler9:
Man, if I could've just actually gotten a hold of my doctor... that would've been something. 😉
Honestly, I think that nurse actually did us a solid favor for once. She went ahead and dragged the internist back in to check on my mom again, which gave us a much clearer picture of what's actually going on. It finally put some real facts on the table and shut down those nasty little suspicions we were all spiraling about.
It honestly blows my mind how doctors don't even bother keeping their adult, capable patients in the loop about what's actually going on. 😕

stormywolf2:
Look, it’s definitely not right for doctors to just go dark on their intentions or everything they’re doing with a patient—especially when we're talking about your mom, since she's still holding her own.

But honestly? Your best bet is to just hash it out with the doctor directly. Don't overthink it or feel awkward; just straight-up ask how your mom's health is looking. Let them lay it all out for you, and if something sounds like gibberish, push them for an explanation.

That’s really the only way to deal with medical staff.
Everything you do should be totally in sync with the medical team, whether you're dealing with a nurse or the doctor.
If you start having doubts about the treatment or the care she's getting, you can call out those slip-ups critically without making anyone catch feelings.
Later
M.
Broken Hip in Health ·
Casey Palmer5 said:And don't even get me started on skipping exercises for four days straight... I mean, honestly, that’s just not ideal. It’d probably be smartest if you did some moves with her, but let's be real, that’s probably not the brightest idea either.
All I can say 👎 about this hospital if they’re letting patients go four days without therapy.
Look, nothing catastrophic is going to happen, but it sure as hell isn't good practice.

Casey Palmer5,
if she was dealing with pneumonia, then physical therapy is kept to an absolute bare minimum—just enough so she doesn't end up with pressure sores. Otherwise, they scale it back because sometimes pushing too hard does more harm than good.

Basically, they have to fix the internal stuff first, you know, clear up the pneumonia, and *then* move on to real physical therapy. You've gotta keep in mind she’s not exactly a spring chicken, so you always have to be careful when trying to get her moving.
Doing exercises on your own responsibility? Not smart. But, checking to see if any skin breakdown is happening? That's mandatory, and you really need the nurse's help for that.

It’s not such a massive disaster that you should give the hospital a total "fail" grade, because certain bits of bed exercises and basic care have to happen daily regardless. Physical therapists aren't always on-site—if it's a holiday, those guys get time off too.

But listen, the bed exercises, movement, and sitting up are non-negotiable. However, all of that has to be done with extreme caution so you don't end up causing new fractures or complications around the TEP area.
Everything's gonna work out, hopefully!
Later,
M.
Broken Hip in Health ·
Casey Palmer5 said:There is zero chance she’s going to end up with pressure sores if she’s already up and walking around. Those things only happen when someone is stuck in bed for weeks on end without moving an inch. Since they were turning your mom and she’s actually mobile now—honestly, huge win—you can pretty much forget about the whole bedsore issue. It's a non-issue. Seriously though, it's awesome that she started walking. She needs to keep that momentum going and walk as much as humanly possible. If the hospital staff doesn't give you grief about it, a killer idea would be to take her for walks whenever you drop by to visit. You’ve gotta push her to stay active and keep up with the exercises. Movement is everything.

Look, stormywolf2 is way more of an expert on this stuff than I am, so I’m really hoping they can give you the real scoop. Honestly? I think you've already cleared the biggest hurdle and dodged that nasty complication. Just keep up with the circulation exercises—that's the main thing to prevent trouble. As for everything else, like the anticoagulants and all that medical gear, that’s strictly between you and your doctor.

This one's for you two.
frozenangler9,
Look, pressure sores aren't some imaginary thing you just make up. You can see them plain as day on my mom's body—specifically in those spots that take the most beating when someone's stuck in bed and can't move. If she wasn't getting decent care, you’d be looking at actual pressure ulcers and necrotic skin and tissue right where the bone is slamming directly against the skin and the mattress. It's real, and it's brutal.

Look, if they aren't there, they just aren't there. End of story. And honestly, since your mom is basically on bed rest already, let's just pray to god she doesn't end up with pressure sores. Those things can wreck an immobile patient incredibly fast. The fact that she hasn't developed any yet means either she's holding steady or the physical therapy is actually doing its job for once. Fingers crossed.

Look, when it comes to the other nasty complications—specifically things like thrombosis and embolisms—it’s not like you’re totally off the hook just because the patient can move around again. Even if they aren't stuck in bed, there's still that lingering percentage of risk hanging over your head, even with heparinization in the mix. It's never a zero percent chance, no matter how much you try to stay ahead of it.
Look, here's the deal with anticoagulants: they're supposed to protect you from thrombosis, which then keeps those nasty embolisms at bay. But honestly? There’s always going to be this lingering "residual risk" hanging over your head. Since your mom is getting up there in years, you can't just go overboard with the heparinization—it's not like you can just flood the system. If you push it too hard, you're looking at a massive risk of bleeding, and at her age, that's a terrifying tightrope to walk. It's a messy balancing act, really.

Look, if she’s already mobile and on anticoagulants, the risks are basically dialed down to almost nothing—but let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's never a zero percent chance, right? Still some danger there, even if it's minimal.
Look, all those complications? They can hit you anytime. And they aren't mutually exclusive, either—meaning one thing leads to another—but that doesn't mean you’re guaranteed to get hit by the whole damn truck at once. It’s just... it's just a heads-up, you know? Like, the doctors list everything that *could* go sideways while you're stuck in the hospital or once you finally get discharged, but that's just a list of possibilities. It doesn't mean it's actually going to happen to you. It's just information, not a prophecy.

Look, embolisms... they don't just sneak up on you. They hit like a freight train out of nowhere—total drama. Unless, of course, you're dealing with those tiny little microemboli. Those are a different kind of nightmare. They show up as this sudden, sharp pain, honestly feels like someone’s stabbing you with a freaking dagger. And then you get those micro-necroses happening, which basically just masquerades as pneumonia. You end up with these localized lung inflammations and sometimes a fever that'll absolutely cook you from the inside out. It's brutal.

Look, serious pulmonary embolisms? They’re absolute chaos. We're talking full-blown, high-stakes drama where you're scrambling to resuscitate someone, and honestly, even then, success isn't a guarantee. It all just comes down to one thing: how big that blocked vessel actually is. If the caliber of that obstructed lung artery is off, everything else is basically up in the air.
Look, when you're dealing with the heavy stuff—we're talking big calibers here—it doesn't matter how fast the medics jump on you. Even with full-blown resuscitation efforts, they just end up dead. It’s because that embolus... it just won't clear out of the vessel properly, or sometimes, not at all. Total game over.

Look, from what I can see, she hasn't developed any pressure sores or dealt with pulmonary embolisms yet. As for that fever? It could just be a reaction to the surgical site—you know, those hematomas absorbing—or maybe some minor pneumonia in the base of her lungs because of blood pooling and poor ventilation down there. That’s probably why she’s doing that weird breathing exercises during physical therapy. So, nothing life-threatening or crazy happening right this second, but don't go thinking all the danger has passed. You can't say that. Those complications are always lurking in the background; that's literally why they're called "post-op complications." Still, there's a decent shot things turn out okay, especially when you factor in your mom's age.
Mobility is everything. Seriously, if you can't move, you're stuck. It’s the bottom line.
Casey Palmer5,
Honestly, you hit the nail on the head with that info—it’s spot on. No need for me to go in and fix anything, really. Maybe just a few tiny little add-ons here and there, but otherwise, we're golden.
Everything's all good!
Hey ladies, hope you're all doing alright and staying upbeat out there!
Sending all the good vibes to our lady in the hospital—wishing you a super speedy recovery and hoping you get discharged without any drama!🙂
M.
P.S. frozenangler9, listen, anything that’s worrying you or any questions you have about your mom, you gotta take that straight to the doctor on duty at the hospital. Don't go bugging the Head Nurse or the Chief Physician with it.
Broken Hip in Health ·
Hi frozenangler9,
Man, I am so sorry to hear about what happened to your mom. You know, I was actually just out on vacation in Maui over on Maui myself, and I only got back about a week ago.
The heat has been absolutely brutal lately, and with older folks, that kind of weather can trigger fainting spells or other weird sensations, which leads to trips and falls. And then—unfortuantely—you get those hip fractures. It doesn't really matter if it's medial or lateral; for people in that age group, the standard move is a TEP—a total hip replacement—as long as there aren't any contraindications. And looking at your mom's situation, it sounds like she was a clear candidate for it.

I see they went ahead with the TEP implant. Honestly, it would have been way better if the doctors in Miami had just done it right away. You want those surgeries happening within 24 hours of the fracture to get the best results. Waiting three days? That's a long time, man. It can definitely mess with the final outcome of the whole procedure.

As for her getting depressed after all this... honestly, I’m not even surprised. That happens a lot at her age, especially if she was super active—both mentally and physically—before the accident. She’s going to need some solid psychotherapy, which a big hospital in Washington, D.C. should definitely have on tap. But also, you and the rest of the family carry a huge responsibility here in how fast you can help her pull through this depressive slump. Just being there, visiting, showing love and affection—that's high-level stuff for her mental health. You’ve gotta spark that will to live and that sense of family connection. It’s huge.

Of course, there are always complications that pop up during a hospital stay or after surgery.
I really hope they're taking good care of her with:
Thrombosis prevention,
Antibiotic protection—especially since you mentioned she's running a fever,
Analgesics,
A decent, proper physical therapy program,
And hopefully having a psychologist on the ward check in on her.
Getting her moving early is going to be vital, but only *after* they get that fever under control. You don't want her straining herself if she's fighting off pneumonia, which can develop super fast due to being immobile and stagnant. Especially given her age.

I guess I should probably mention some of the other complications that can happen with a TEP.
1) Damage to blood vessels or nerves.
2) Re-fractures or the TEP head popping into the acetabulum, or even fractures of the femur itself.
3) Blood clots or embolisms from being stuck in bed, even if they're using Heparin for prevention.
4) Hematomas.
5) Infections of all kinds, both at the surgical site and generally.
There's also about a 1-2% chance of a late-stage infection.
Physical therapy plays a massive role here, though; it's absolutely critical for getting her back on her feet quickly.
6) Dislocation of the prosthesis.
7) Loosening of the TEP, which depends on how old she is and how bad her osteoporosis is.
8) Heterotopic ossification—basically, bone forming in the soft tissue and muscles around the TEP.
9) For seniors (over 70), the clinical mortality rate is around 8-10% post-op, and it can climb as high as 30% within a year.

At the end of the day, everything hinges on proper treatment, nursing, and mental health support to get her mobile again as fast as possible.
Once she's out of the hospital, physical therapy is still a big deal, so Casey Palmer5 gave some great advice regarding that process. Regular check-ups are a must.

Look, what happened to your mom is incredibly painful and heavy, but it's sadly common with older folks, especially women. Their bones get brittle during menopause and post-menopause because of those hormonal shifts. It can also trigger other issues she might not have dealt with before—like diabetes, cardiovascular problems, or rheumatism—leading to a whole mess of multi-morbidity.

She needs top-tier medical, physical, and psychological therapy
to get through this hospital stay, which she should be getting at that Washington, D.C. facility.
But things change drastically once you get home.
I really hope she can push through this mental crisis and rehab quickly.
All the best to you guys—wishing her a super speedy recovery!
Sending you some good vibes, man. Just a heads up though: keep your chin up. You can only do so much for her if you don't find a way to actually show that love and care in a way she can feel.
At this point, there’s really nothing else left for you to do. Everything else is out of your hands and up to your mom and the medical team over at the hospital.
M.
Good grief, is it actually possible to get this many idiots in one single thread?
Look, even the most brainless moron can't deny that medicine has made some "mind-blowing" leaps forward. Like, seriously, the stuff they can pull off in various fields today? It's legit impressive. You can't deny that part.
But—and this is a massive but—it’s also a tragic, depressing fact that within the medical field, you’ve got these ideologically driven utilitarians, especially those sensationalist types with zero morals or ethics, plus all the big pharma bluffers. They make massive blunders, and through iatrogenic procedures, they end up sending people straight to the grave. It's a mess.

However, despite all that grim stuff, medicine still "gives back health" to so many people who would be doing incredibly poorly if we hadn't reached our current level of tech and knowledge.

That's why we need to be sober and balanced when we're criticizing things here. The good that medicine and Doctors bring to people can never be truly offset by the bad outcomes caused by mistakes.

With all due respect to everyone, I really don't want to hear people trashing medicine and its achievements, or all therapeutic methods—both the good and the bad—quite this much. We're all just human, and that includes Doctors. We all screw up in life; it's just that when a Doctor messes up, society won't tolerate it because those mistakes lead to permanent damage or even death. And yeah, that should be punishable.

A Doctor shouldn't show up to work and just start gambling with mistakes; that's neither moral nor human. That would be criminal. That's why "Medical malpractice" simply cannot be tolerated.
But, since we can't totally wipe out human error, it's pretty obvious based on the fact that everyone is flawed.

What *could* be wiped out, though, are those failures caused by Big Pharma magnates pushing their shady products, and the corruption of Doctors who want to push those specific drugs to establish them in standard therapy, even when there are massive side effects.

Basically, we should try to eliminate the external factors that cause so many deaths—like using crappy drugs, faulty equipment, or uncontrolled therapeutic methods being tested on patients, whether they agree to the schemes or not. We have to cut out those external variables to prevent unnecessary harm and loss of life. The human factor, though? That stays hanging like a Damocles sword over the heads of both patients and doctors. Patients, because they're putting their lives in a doctor's hands, and doctors, because they're humans who can slip up, regardless of what caused the act.

Medicine needs to become truly more humane in how it operates. Anything that *can* be done shouldn't be done unless it's justified by moral and ethical standards. In medicine, the Hippocratic Oath should matter, but honestly, a lot of modern doctors don't follow it or stick to the original text.
And that's that!
Frank Lee6
Swollen feet – any advice? in Health ·
Mr. Pes said:I've had them for three days now... First day I figured it was just the heat, but this morning I woke up feeling like a total balloon. 😕

My foot and ankle are swollen, and later on, it's gonna spread up to my calves.
Calling myself a balloon is a bit much, maybe, it's not *that* dire, but the swelling is pretty obvious—my right leg is way bigger than the left.

Anyone got a clue what could be causing this? If I have some kind of heart attack while I'm trying to finish the dishes or wipe down the dust...

hi Pesica,
so I just wandered onto this subforum, and from what I can see, you're in "danger" territory.
Judging by how you're describing it, we're looking at dextro-cardiac insufficiency with lower extremity edema. You absolutely need to see a doctor to verify the diagnosis.
Not trying to freak you out or anything, but a diagnosis is inevitable here, even if it isn't immediately life-threatening.🙂
You've been a long-time smoker—honestly speaking about those cigarettes—but it might be time to quit, because your body is already sending you warning shots.
Later!
M.
Let's vote for a Psychology subforum! in Feedback & Suggestions ·
John Walker74 said:stormywolf2, you really backed yourself into a corner there, but hey, at least you finally said what was on your mind.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting much more from you, though—I'll admit—I actually had a little hope.

Come on, John Walker74, don't tell me you're really such a naive little psychologist!
All I did was point out how dangerous a forum like this can get. That's it, sweetheart. I've seen enough in my time dealing with medical info circles and online discourse to know how this plays out.
So just let your hope rest, okay? Even if it's your last shred of it, it won't die out just because some psychology forum never gets launched. Your hope's gonna stay alive, because I'll be lurking in the background keeping it on life support myself.!🙂
Later!
M.
Let's vote for a Psychology subforum! in Feedback & Suggestions ·
ironbadger31 said:Maybe it wouldn't be totally fatal 😁 for people looking for advice, but honestly, there's no need.
There aren't even enough qualified folks here to run a subforum like that (maybe Tufir and a couple others, if you want to count them). It’d just turn into a massive spam fest, kind of like how the philosophy section is slowly turning into one.

I mean, just picture this barbarian horde of crackpots flooding in with their half-baked "jokes" trying to play psychologist. They'll just end up messing with the people who actually know what they're talking about. Look, if you've got psychological issues, go see a therapist!😉

Preach!🙂
What did I do to deserve such an award!? 👍
M.
Let's vote for a Psychology subforum! in Feedback & Suggestions ·
ironbadger31 said:I mean, if that thing actually opens up, stormywolf2 would basically have to be the moderator!😉 I don't even know how the spammers would manage to survive then.😁

Ironbadger, don't even start with me... because I'm on every single one of those "essential" forums out there, and I'm strictly just here to talk!
M.
Let's vote for a Psychology subforum! in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Starting a forum like this with this kind of "human material" posting? Man, that would be a total disaster. A complete train wreck from day one.
Just a bunch of half-witted morons trying to mentally harass people who are already struggling with their own issues by dropping these totally nonsensical comments and "advice." It’s exactly what the person who started this Topic about that unfortunate mess was doing over on one of those philosophy subforums.

Honestly, doing that would be more than just counterproductive—it’d be straight-up "deadly" for anyone actually trying to get some real advice on those forums. I mean, come on. You can't just wing this stuff. Without actual pros—like, real psychologists who know what they're talking about—it's impossible. It's a total disaster waiting to happen.
Man, I don't even know if there are enough of them on this forum to even make a call. Honestly? Hard to say. It's tough to gauge the actual scale when you're just staring at the screen like this.

Look, I’m speaking from experience here. I’ve spent enough time lurking on those high-level US psychology forums—the ones that actually try to stick to real Science—and let me tell you, they’re constantly struggling. It’s a losing battle. They can barely maintain any shred of quality because they’re getting absolutely hammered by an endless wave of these meticulous, annoying-as-hell spammers.
So, it's a hard NO. Period. Case closed.
And you’ve got the proof right here on this forum, too—specifically that whole mess regarding the topic about that unfortunate "Soraya" thing, or whatever they were calling it.
M.
Is spirit everything? in Spirituality ·
Dragonfly said:Let's see what's actually on the menu today.🙂

In this specific scenario, what's happening up top isn't even remotely the same thing as what's going on down below.🙂

Look, I owe an apology to all you distinguished debaters for my goofy way of putting things—I know it kind of messes with the gravity of this whole philosophical deep dive; if I really have to, I'll tone it down.
Though, honestly, I'd rather not..

Cheers,
🙏 [/B]


Man, I couldn't even begin to list half the gems hidden in those "goofy" arguments of yours.
Well, since you saw it for yourself, there's nothing on the menu but a diet of pure nonsense. You'll have to let us know later if you're actually full yet.

I might actually agree with your second point: up and down aren't the same thing—if we're being dead serious here—because neither one actually exists!😁

And as for "adjusting your style" to match the logic? Don't bother even mentioning it, because your logic doesn't really matter anyway, so it'd probably be better if the arguments just adjusted themselves to fit *you* for once!😉

I'll forgive you on my own account, and I hope everyone else follows my lead, because it’s definitely the least painful way to deal with you and your points.🙂

Anyway, try to chill out today, because I definitely wouldn't want to be served your "snarky" attitude for dinner!🙂
Simply charming!👍
M.
Is spirit everything? in Spirituality ·
ironbadger31 said:ironbadger31: How do you even approach Meta? Why? Take, say, a mentally captured person. How are they ever going to get a real grasp on the teachings being preached to them by Bible exegesis? They’re never actually going to comprehend or experience the truth; all they’re left with is blind faith that it even exists. The real issue here is that it seems like only theologians and priests get to have any actual insight into the truth, while everyone else is totally shut out—whether they can't wrap their heads around it or they haven't even heard what it looks like. So, because of tradition, people just believe in God without having any clue about His "characteristics," which are just things theologians cooked up by digging through "holy scriptures." How do you explain that? [/B]

I cut out the rest of your post just to keep us on the same page.
But I really want to dig into this specific part.
In Christianity, there are two ways to reach knowledge: "via directa" and "via indirecta"—something I'm sure a top-tier philosopher like you already knows. The first path is followed by people who can actually conceptualize it in their daily lives because they've chosen a spiritual lifestyle. We're talking mysticism here. By doing this, they're basically on equal footing with any other system that follows a similar path.

The second way is through revelation. Like the teachings in the US.

What I mean is, in Buddhism, the mystical path isn't meant for the masses either—Buddha made that crystal clear—it's for the monks, the Buddhist clergy. That's why you need reincarnation and the process of working through "sins" via Karma, so you can eventually be reborn at the end of the "samsara cycle" as a future monk, who then uses the mystical path to transition into Nirvana.
And there is no Revelation in Buddhism.

In Judeo-Christianity, there's that extra route: revelation.
In both systems, though, faith is required for both paths.
If you don't have faith, you've got nothing.

As for knowing God's battle, even the theologians don't have an edge there. We can't truly know God in His battle, just like the scholastic philosopher and theologian St. Thomas Aquinas explained to us.
With negative theology, all we can do is state and rule out everything that God is *not*—which leaves us with what He *is*—leaving only the Mystery of faith, where nothing else helps.

I'm not saying this because I'm some huge dogmatist; I'm just trying to work it out through pure logic.
If we were actually capable of explaining God in His battle, we'd be His equals. Period! That's why I think it's impossible. Theologians try to crack the code, just like philosophers do, but in my view, it's a non-starter. In that regard, I'm backing Aquinas's agnosticism.

All those attributes we pin on God? They're nothing more than anthropomorphisms—tools we use to try and describe something that we simply cannot describe any other way, because we're just human and what we're trying to describe goes way beyond the limits of the mind...
Even the universe exceeds our mental capacity, which is why we can't come up with any true theories about it.
Later!
stormywolf2.
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ironbadger31 says:
ironbadger31: Look, there are basically two physiological facts that Buddhism is built on—two things it just obsesses over. First off, you’ve got this insane hypersensitivity, right? It’s like this unnaturally refined capacity for feeling pain that just won't quit. And second, there's this massive overkill of spirituality. People spend way too much of their lives trapped inside concepts and logical loops, which totally guts a person's raw instinct just to serve some kind of "impersonal" void.

stormywolf2:
Look, I think there’s just one specific term in there that totally muddies the waters of your explanation. You can throw all the physiological facts you want at me, but honestly? It doesn't matter how you try to spin them. We can't actually prove that our thoughts and feelings are just some byproduct of neurophysiology happening in the CNS. And that’s where the real nightmare begins. Instead of actually solving the problem, you're just opening up a massive floodgate of even bigger, high-caliber issues—problems that, let's be real, are basically unsolvable. Consciousness, self-awareness, willpower, and the way we grasp or interpret an emotion... none of that can be proven to be nothing more than the physical activity of synapses, neurons, or neurotransmitters in the CNS. It's just not that simple.
Look, I think you’re jumping the gun here. You're making assumptions about stuff that hasn't even been settled by science yet. It's all just guesswork at this point. Also, honestly? That second part of your text went right over my head—total gibberish. I'm just trying to drop a few quick facts in there without making it a whole thing. Keeping it brief.
So, here's the deal: the whole process of emptying out your consciousness in Buddhism basically revolves around the Four Noble Truths and that Eightfold Path thing. And look, Buddha wasn't about that life—he wasn't looking for dogma, mindless prayers, fancy rituals, or throwing sacrifices at an altar. He didn't give a damn about all those endless metaphysical speculations and deep-dive theories either; he figured that kind of stuff just flies way over the limit of what the human brain can actually wrap itself around. Honestly, he wasn't even interested in getting sucked into philosophical debates. He just wanted one thing, and one thing only: total self-control. Just stripping away every single desire and emotion until you hit that point of... well, pure madness.
Look, there isn't some fancy, specialized science he's preaching here or anything. It's way simpler than that. The whole point is just hitting Nirvana through spiritual self-improvement. That's it.
Bottom line? We're out here on this road all by ourselves. There’s nobody coming to bail us out, which means everything that happens—the good, the bad, and the ugly—is squarely on us. We own it. All of it.
Look, if there isn't some kind of indestructible spirit out there, his whole argument just falls apart because everything in the universe is constantly shifting. Like, seriously. The natural law—the Dharma that actually runs this whole show—acts as the only real moral authority we've got. There isn't some other higher power or moral board sitting in judgment elsewhere. And honestly? This whole thing about Karma and reincarnation feels like he's just grabbing old leftovers from Hindu systems and trying to pass them off as new without changing a single thing. It's lazy.
So, that would just be a quick little rundown on the original Hinayana Buddhism.
Everything else that falls under the umbrella of Buddhism eventually just morphs into some kind of theistic thing anyway.
So you’ve got Mahayana Buddhism, then there's Yogacara Buddhism, Vajrayana Buddhism, and that specific flavor of Zen Buddhism they've got going over in Japan... all just different branches of the Mahayana tree. But honestly? At the end of the day, Buddhism is just something humans cooked up. That's why I don't trust it to be some solid compass for navigating life—it's way too shaky for that.

ironbadger31:
So, looking at those physiological conditions... On purpose. Totally intentional. Depression was basically engineered to exist, you know? And honestly, the way Buddha deals with it is almost... I don't know, borderline hygienic. It’s like he’s cleaning house. He counters that heavy, sinking feeling by pushing for life out in nature—think nomadic vibes, a total bohemian lifestyle. Just zero anxiety, neither for yourself nor for anyone else. There’s no prayer involved, no grueling asceticism, none of that "categorical imperative" nonsense. No coercion whatsoever. That's exactly why Buddhism doesn't go looking for a fight with people who think differently. Its whole doctrine is built to protect itself from even the slightest hint of vengeance. You can't beat hostility with more hostility, right? It just doesn't work.


stormywolf2:
Ugh, seriously?! ACK!
Look, here’s the thing. In American Christianity, they talk about loving your enemies and all that—there isn't some big call to embrace evil or anything like that. But then you look at Buddhism, where it's "exclusively" about practicing compassion rather than love, and that applies to every single living thing out there. Since it lacks any real metaphysics, you could argue Buddhism isn't even a true religion. I mean, how can stepping into nothingness be a solution if you don't actually know what that nothingness even signifies? Plus, let's be real, Nirvana has a million different interpretations depending on who you ask.

ironbadger31: Look, I’m strictly sticking to Buddhism here. To me, Zen Buddhism just reeks of that fake New Age garbage. If you want to talk real Buddhism, there’s a baseline: you need massive moral flexibility, zero militarism, and absolutely no hatred toward anyone else. The whole point is chasing serenity, peace, and total detachment as the ultimate goal—and honestly, that's usually how people actually end up getting there.
In Christianity, it’s all about the instincts of the broken and the suppressed; the bottom of the barrel is always looking for some kind of salvation. It turns into this weird full-time job where people just obsess over the casuistry of sin—constant self-criticism, basically an Inquisition of the conscience. They just cling to this desperate affection for the powerful, for God, treating things that are totally out of reach like they're some kind of gift or divine grace.

stormywolf2:
This is just some Nietzschean clusterfuck that’s got zero to do with New Age science. Honestly, if you actually knew both religious systems inside and out, you would've stopped making these kinds of judgments ages ago. I mean, Christianity is built on the doctrine of Love. And love isn't inherently evil, so I don't get why you're equating Christian New Age teachings with the actions of shitty Christians? If you take the concept of Karma—which is basically the main engine behind reincarnation in both Buddhism and Hindu systems—you end up at a conclusion that can be used to justify both Communist and Nazi lifestyles and atrocities. Because according to Karma, those people (the victims of those systems!) actually deserved it. See, that’s just not possible in Judeo-Christianity, because its whole foundation is the science of love. If you believe in the randomness of reincarnation and the universe in general, since Buddhism doesn't really have a cosmology, then it doesn't matter what moral principle we live by, because the "wheel of Samsara" just keeps spinning until someone is born as a monk, who then empties their consciousness to escape this cursed cycle through Nirvana. It’s a total, illogical mess, not a religious system.
It’s basically just a playground for sadomasochistic types, and even worse than that.
Morality, Nazism, Communism, euthanasia, abortion, cloning—basically everything incompatible with love becomes possible there because Karma justifies anything. It's madness. No wonder kamikaze terrorists were Buddhists, or how certain Lamaist Buddhists fought alongside Hitler; they have this totally fascist tendency because they’re waiting for the final Avatar, the last Buddha, and they think the whole world needs to convert to Buddhism before he arrives.

ironbadger31:
To hate Christianity is to reject pride, courage, freedom, libertinage of the spirit.

stormywolf2:
That's just plain crazy, because love is stronger than pity. You are completely off base here. Just look at the doctrine of Karma in Buddhism!

ironbadger31:
Buddhism is for people in a later era. It’s colder, more truthful, more objective.

stormywolf2:
Buddhism is a human invention. Think about what those attributes would actually imply if you interpret them through Karma. Cold-blooded killing, a "truer" version of euthanasia, and more "objective" abortions.

ironbadger31:
Christianity has this one perverse nuance compared to Eastern religions. It fundamentally knows that whether something is true doesn't actually matter as much as the fact that you *believe* it is true. In Buddhism, and generally in the East, knowing if something is true is what makes you a sage.

stormywolf2:
That claim is so insane that even a mindless comment would seem smart by comparison, so I don't even want to bother responding.

ironbadger31:
If, for example, happiness lies in a person atoning for their sins, it isn't a necessary assumption that the person is actually sinful, but rather that they merely *feel* sinful.

stormywolf2:
Not a smart point either. According to psychology, guilt is just whatever an individual perceives it to be, so under that same psychological framework, you need to eliminate that feeling of sinfulness. Obviously, this applies not just to Christianity but to psychology itself, which has its roots in religion.

ironbadger31:
The worst thing about Christianity is that if faith is required above all else, then reason, knowledge, and investigation have to be discredited. The path to truth becomes a forbidden path. Even official documents (just look at the Fides et Ratio Pope John Paul II wrote) confirm this.
That’s where Buddhism has the edge over Christianity, even though personally, I think both religions are nihilistic and decadent.
😎 😎 😎

stormywolf2:
I can't agree with any of that. No one can force salvation on anyone else, and Christianity is the least likely to do so. Seeking truth is the freedom of perception and judgment. And the Christian science of love provides the best path toward reaching the ultimate goal—TRUTH—because Jesus Christ himself said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life!"
Trust me, you can only hear this from one specific person who actually has the authority to back it up. Why on earth didn't Buddha say it himself!?
M.
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swiftcobra15 said:AGY, man, you missed the mark again. Seriously. Buddhism isn't even the point of this thread (your thread!), it was just an example. I could've used Hinduism, Taoism, or whatever—it doesn't matter.
The guy doesn't even define what he means by religion, then turns around and claims it "says more about God" than philosophy does. That’s just totally arbitrary and completely unacceptable in any actual philosophical debate. But hey, I guess you love it because you pull the same kind of nonsense yourself.
The dude's conclusions are a total wash because his logic is full of holes. We can talk about those holes here if you want, but let's save the Buddhism talk for another thread. 😉

swiftcobra15,
look, if you're gonna start a critique, you better see it through to the end.
With your level of cognitive and intellectual horsepower, you really shouldn't be settling for shallow jabs at a philosophical discourse.
So you found some holes in the text? Big deal. I found them too. It’s not a huge revelation; it’s just about pointing out the issues and offering some actual criticism.

You got all hung up on the word "God" and started dumping your "ignorance" all over the place. "God" is just a generic term—it's not the personal name of the Divinity, and it changes depending on the language you're speaking. In the Bible, God refers to Himself as "I am who I am," or YHWH; He never actually gave a personal name for people to go around calling Him.

That's why your protest over that terminology was a complete swing and a miss. Buddhism is a human creation, whereas we wouldn't say the same about Judeo-Christianity, because Jesus Christ is a historical figure and differs from Buddha both in terms of science and how He lived.
The scientific discourse regarding both of these is pretty thin, honestly, since you can only really lean on historiography and nothing else.

Just one little nuance: Christianity is a religion of revelation, while Buddhism is a product of mysticism. And that's where reality starts to blur—in Buddhism, it becomes fiction, whereas in Christianity, it's faith, because as I said, Christianity is a religion of revelation, which means it crosses that mystical line.
Sure, Christianity has its own mysticism, and Buddhism has it too.
They have identical or similar experiences, but please, give me one shred of proof that mysticism is actually reality and not just some fiction or illusion created by our own spirits?

And don't even get me started on the interpretation of those same experiences!😎
stormywolf2.
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swiftcobra15 said:What does, say, Buddhism actually "say" about God?😕

That’s just nonsense—total babble from someone who’s completely checked out of thinking altogether.😉 [/B]

Buddhism is nothing but a delusion of the human spirit! If you've got a counterargument, then go ahead and back it up with some actual substance.
Explain to me why Buddhism is a legitimate religion and not just some mental hallucination. Look, if we’re all flawed, sinful people, and Buddhism is just a product of the human mind, then by definition, it’s gotta be riddled with errors, delusions, and sin. I want real counterarguments!

By posting that, you basically threw logic out the window, so why even bother debating a guy who thinks dogs just spontaneously organize themselves into existence and treats Zen Buddhism as the bedrock of life? Both of those ideas are just pure "schizophrenia" from people who think they're too special for rationality.

God, if He isn't in a transcendental relationship with us, He isn't a "god"—He's just an idol. Honestly, a world without a relational God is just a logical absurdity. You need to move past your own logic because it's holding you back. Your Zen Buddhism, stripped of love, is just riding the edge of a razor—it's just lonely, lost individuals chasing after an all-encompassing "Nothingness."

If you want to show me why Zen Buddhism is better than Christianity, fine, go for it—but bring some actual arguments to the table.
It’s "unfinished" mysticism at best, which means it can't even be compared to Divine Revelation or the religion built upon it. What I mean is, your Zen Buddhism is a work of the human spirit, not a work of God, and I make a massive distinction there.

Try being eloquent and consistent for once, and maybe we can actually dig through this foggy Buddhism of yours.
stormywolf2.
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Rachel Bishop said:uh... the final installment..

Look, there are some philosophers who just don't go that far. Obviously, religion's take on God covers way more ground than philosophy ever could. Because of that, they argue, it doesn't mean that the subject of a philosophical study of God would ever clash with religious views of God. You can't even prove a contradiction exists. Anything we can say about God through a philosophical lens, a religious person will pretty much agree with. But, let's be real—that person knows way more about God than even the greatest metaphysicians out there. The conflict isn't about the subject itself, it's about how people approach it. A philosopher looks at God as this rational explanation for the universe. To them, God isn't someone you pray to; He's just necessary to defend their own brand of rationalism.😛Basically, knowing Him is nothing more than a blunt acknowledgment that being is explainable. And if we’re talking about faith here, the only thing actually being assumed is a faith in reason itself. There's zero room to talk about a love for God in this context. Even when Spinoza talked about an intellectual love of God, he was strictly talking about pure cognition.
But that mindset pushes the philosopher—just like with any question about humanity—right up to the edge where everything goes dark. Their version of God gets so vague and bogged down by problems that the philosopher starts wondering—and yeah, Plato actually did this—if there’s a reality beyond just philosophy. If they happen to be a believer, they can turn to religion to find answers to all those heavy, nagging questions. It doesn't warp their concept of God; it actually makes it fuller and more alive.
The only way philosophy can push a thinking person to that limit—where they can't go any further on their own—is if philosophy stays true to itself. In every single issue, philosophy proves it's a creator of life and full of fruit only when it's driven by a genuine hunger to understand and a stubborn grip on reason.
Philosophy is really just human reason applied to explaining the world: doing it without hesitation, without setting limits, and using every bit of strength we've got available to us.

chichamicha😉

stormywolf2.... I'm expecting a huge thank you and a deep bow for all this effort put into transcribing, all in the name of love... 🙂


Listen, you know I love you even without all this hard work, even in this 95° F heat.
But hey, maybe the love will grow even more now!🙂
Bravo Rachel Bishop, you've proven there are still plenty of pleasant surprises left in your toolkit.
Consider this a thank-you note and an apology for my previous "nonchalance"!👍
Cheers!
M.
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Obelix said:Where on earth did I even write that?😕
Look, sure, your arguments carry weight, but only when they're coming from you🙄. Remember when I was laying out that whole thing about Spinozan monism and the immanence of God? You were basically shitting all over it, calling those ideas outdated and primitive relics that the modern world tossed in the trash ages ago.

So don't give me that bullshit—you're just talking in circles and contradicting yourself!👎 👎 👎 👎

I am not contradicting myself because I’m not even defending that thesis in this discussion. If I bring up pantheism, it’s always framed as a question—you can see that right there in the topic title. But, purely from a philosophical standpoint, that Spinozan thesis holds water. For me personally? Not so much. But hey, if someone tries to dismiss that theory by making stupid, shallow jabs at a philosophical debate, then I can easily argue from a pantheistic angle without it meaning I actually live my life by those rules.

Obelix, if you actually call yourself a philosopher, you're giving a pretty pathetic showing. And if you're trying to become one, you’ve gotta let other people hold views that aren't yours. I'm no philosopher myself, but that doesn't mean I can't have a real conversation with you. The thing is, I haven't seen any sign that you're capable of having an actual, informative discourse. Why?

Try using your logic to actually convince people that your takes on a problem are right.
If you're backing Spinoza's philosophy, then defend it. If not, then show me where the weak spots are. Use a theological-philosophical lens. Or even a scientific one.
I’d honestly be happy if I could actually learn something from you!
Right now, you're just talking shit without any purpose or point.
M.
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ironbadger31 said:It’s like you’re straight-up quoting Spinoza or something. If you're really out here claiming to be this hardcore Catholic all the time, you should probably be his biggest rival, right? Makes zero sense.
One minute you're playing the agnostic card, then suddenly you're all about that theist life, and before we know it, you've gone full Christian on us. Pick a lane!😕 Man, you seriously gotta pick a side with this whole philosophical thing. You spend all this time trashing New Age nonsense, but honestly? You’re more of an eclectic mess than any of those hippies!👎 👎

Where do you even get the nerve? Seriously, acting like the "philosophy subforum" is some kind of cleanup crew or a fix-it shop for everyone else's mess. What a joke. 😎
If anyone's actually an outlier here, it’s strictly you. Seriously, man, you're typing like you just rolled out of a third-grade classroom.
Look, I’m just arguing from whatever angle feels right at the moment, alright? Because honestly, all these different perspectives have their own damn value. You can't exactly take any of this into a lab and run some scientific test on it to see if it holds up. It just doesn't work like that.
Man, you’re really playing dumb, aren't you? Seriously!👎
Look, if any of my claims sound like total nonsense to you, go ahead—tear 'em apart. Hit me with your best shot and tell me why I'm wrong. Just stick to the logic, alright? Everything else is just noise. Forget the rest.
M.
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stormywolf2 said:Don't even go there! Please, let's not drag some weird spiritism nonsense into "Philosophy." 😁
Just let Spinoza rest in peace. Seriously, the man earned it.

And honestly? Bringing Spinoza up to certain self-proclaimed "philosophers" is just casting pearls before swine.
It feels like some of these "thinkers" have never even heard the word monism, so they just keep trying to shove these sneaky little versions of dualism down our throats.
Aggy keeps trying to explain everything through the lens of Catholic theology, but look, it’s actually pretty simple:
If we start agreeing that "God is immanent and transcendent at the same time," we can basically prove whatever garbage we want. It’s like saying something is simultaneously black and white. It makes zero sense. 😉

You two occultists are totally in sync, aren't you?
How about we try doing actual philosophy for once instead of this esoteric cloud of nonsense!😎
M.