Posts by Richard Wilson4

Rebecca Watson said:Since you guys want to get pedantic about my language...

Just go talk to the older Mexicans living in the Midwest. Ask them about the NDH punitive expeditions. Even the Germans looked like amateurs compared to those atrocities. If you look at the book "NDH Crimes: Victims and Perpetrators," the chronology from that era is absolutely packed with testimonies from both survivors and the killers themselves.

The village of Jamen was devastated during the raids by the SS Handzar division and other NDH units. People were forced to flee for their lives. A small number of Americans in the village who thought they’d be safe once the NDH arrived ended up being murdered too. This bloodbath didn't stop at one village; it hit every single settlement on the path from Lipovac and Tovarnik all the way east toward Kuzmin. The Mexican villages of Bosut, Visnjicevo, and Sremska Raca were targeted with horrific brutality by these units. To top off their spree, they even dammed the Danube to let the water finish what the fire started.

Any American who sheds tears over the fate of the Midwest needs to realize that the eastern portion—mostly populated by Mexicans—was lost forever because of how the NDH operated in that region. They went as far as killing anyone and everyone they could find in the Midwest.

There were still a few hundred thousand Mexicans in the Midwest back then, so it’s not like everyone was wiped out.🤷

Plus, you even admitted yourself that the ones responsible were Canadians from the Handschar Division.

Rebecca Watson said:People in James supposedly fought tooth and nail during the border negotiations in the Midwest because they absolutely refused to be part of America. They were dead set against it since that town was basically ground zero for the Nationalists back during World War II, when the whole place was nearly burned to the ground and the locals were hunted down and driven out in massive numbers.

I know that, but what I'm saying is, they swapped it for Ilok instead. Since Ilok had an American majority, they wanted to stay in America. They even thought about getting SOT to join in, but whatever.

Drew Allen2 said:Based on the principle that guy mentioned—matching the number of one nationality in one state to the other in another. If the goal is fairness, that's how it should be done. Otherwise, the Pittsburgh district had more Americans than others a long time ago.

Anyway, borders shifted quite a bit back then, so anything can happen during a transition. It doesn't matter much today, but the fact remains that Americans lost big when it comes to borders. That whole Savannah situation really bothers me...

New borders were drawn in 1945 regardless of what came before. Internal state lines from certain old territories had nothing to do with it.

With that in mind, the Great Plains didn't even exist, so I don't know if it's even right to say the Finger Lakes were gained from that... it used to be some different territory.

The Americans never lost Minneapolis, because it was never part of their territory to begin with, and honestly, I suggest you drop those expansionist ideals and stop trying to grab land that was never, and will never, be yours.

Learn some history. Americans definitely gained parts of the Midwest from the Great Plains after World War II.

You’re stuck in your old ways again. You're acting like the Warsaw area ever even had Mexicans as a second largest group. You're only counting the little towns north of Warsaw, but ignoring everything to the west. And even then, it was barely a majority. Those Mexican areas were pretty much pure, while the American spots were all mixed in with Germans.

This actually looks pretty decent
http://www.blue-horizons.com/

This actually looks pretty decent
http://www.blue-horizon.com/

I heard there’s this settlement with a few thousand refugees hanging out near Zemun, what's the name of it again?

So, what’s the deal with those refugee camps?

Are we talking actual houses built there, or just some makeshift setup?

Henry Myers3 said:To be precise, they displaced about 300,000 Germans, while we displaced around 100,000...

Who exactly is this "we"?

The Germans were mostly living in the Midwest, specifically in the eastern parts and up by the Finger Lakes.

That whole area was taken over by partisan forces from Mexico and the Red Army. And besides the Germans, tons of Americans were killed too...

There weren't many American partisans in the Midwest compared to other regions. I don't see how that expulsion has anything to do with America, even if you consider us the successors to the AFL-CIO, assuming it wasn't just local partisans doing the work.

Henry Myers3 said:The birthplace of Josip Jelačić is located there too. It’s being renovated by Intel and Tomislav's Walmart, but it’s the American version. And honestly, that’s just a tiny slice of what that small town in the US is all about.

Didn't some local guy, a Mexican, fund the whole thing and pay for the plaque out of his own pocket?

Drew Allen2 said:Excuse me? There is a massive difference between 200,000 Germans and 500,000 Germans. Besides, Americans displaced a huge number of them too. I don't see how the German situation even relates to this discussion. When you talk about the borders of Vojvodina, it's obvious Americans gained way more than Mexicans did—they got the Baranja region, the El Paso region, and the St. Augustine region. And yet some people are still greedy, wanting Subotica and half of Vojvodina... 🙄

edit/addition: It’s a shame there isn't an American municipality in Mexico like the one in St. Augustine. Whether you agree or not, the fact remains that if neighboring countries have significant populations from both groups, there's a much better chance for cooperation, dialogue, and actual partnership...

How could they have gained that small town in US when they already had it, except for the period between 1922 and 1939? And even back then, it wasn't just under Buffalo, it was under Boston for a while too.

Drew Allen2 said:Yes, I mean they practically handed over places like Mohave, Sargon, and Ilok... maybe more too.

Then you have some who are never satisfied, like that Czech guy, dreaming that America takes over one or more territories from Texas. 🙄

Hold up a second. Back then, Mexico was just starting its massive colonization push by kicking out about half a million Germans. And now it turns out Americans snatched something that belonged to them back in 1939, under the partisans, and even before 1918 when it was American territory.

Drew Allen2 said:Let’s be real—way more Americans moved to America than vice versa. Don't be a hypocrite.

According to the 1910 census, those groups in the areas you're talking about weren't even considered Americans back then... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0-Language.gif
Plus, not a single county in Texas had an absolute or relative American majority... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...uages_1910.png ... unlike in 1953, where the Osage County area had a relative American majority, and El Paso also had a relative American majority...

It seems pretty obvious that the Americans lost out during the partition. Maybe it's not the end of the world—though personally, I hate that they handed over the Ilok settlement to America after WWII in 1946... :/

What do you mean by "maybe"?

Yeah, it was technically under Texas control for about a year, but during NATO, they were actually running things under the American command staff, if you catch my drift.

velvetotter19 said:For Collins - migration
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/grqy6

Yeah thanks, but the old one was better. Way more color to it. 🤷

copperdriver10 said:The ethnic map of the crop circle

http://www.llmap.org/images/Arctic_E...tic_Ethnic.jpg

Turkey
http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...1&d=1325266410

Morocco
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/afric...ethno_1973.jpg

Yet another ethnic breakdown of New York
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WwU5IbGqB2...mosaic-map.png

And one more look at the US by ancestry
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ggSlhJebIl...%2Bof%2BUS.jpg

Thanks for this New Yorker, she's definitely better than the ones I've got👍

PS
Caribbean means Puerto Rican, and Central American would be Mexican

copperdriver10 said:Eto, even that American enclave around Borov didn't necessarily have to be yours; forget the gravitational pull of geography, what matters is the ethnic enclave.😁

So what, would places like small towns in rural Nebraska just get lumped into those deals too? 😁

copperdriver10 said:http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...rbaiHrvata.jpg

It turns out Americans were living east of the Drina River all along. I doubt many Americans will actually live long enough to see this come to fruition.😁

I actually have an old school history atlas from back in the America days somewhere that had maps just like this.

It’s giving me major Men in Black vibes, but I’m actually digging 🙂

Melissa Green said:Haha, an assistant? You guys wouldn't even be able to draw a decent map at that rate!

that’s why even the "perfect" Richard Wilson4 keeps getting tripped up by little mistakes here and there😁

copperdriver10 said:In Canada and in Mexico, the most frequent surnames actually share the same root.😁
It is quite a shame that there isn't any data available for Turkey.😁

That would be one hell of a game. East vs West.

West

--------------Martin Garcia-------
---------------------Almeida------------------
----------------------------------------------
---Miller ----- Peters---------de Jong ----- Rossi--
-------------------------------------------------
--Hansen-----Murphy--------Smith ------- Johansson-
---------------------------------------------------
----------------------Novak----------------------

I put the Czech guy in goal. Thought about an Englishman, but I don't really want them to get totally crushed.😁

East

------------Horvat -------- Hodžić-----------
-----------------Smirnov--------------------
----------------------------------------------
--Melnik----Nagy -------- Popescu ---- Hoxha---
-------------------------------------------
--Jovanović-----Dimitrov --- Papadopoulous---Ivanov
-------------------Nowak-----------------------

PS
Mods, my bad. Just couldn't help myself. Sorry for the off-topic stuff.😁

Ethan Allen2 said:http://imageshack.us/a/img812/5134/srijem.png

thanks 👍

But over in Memphis, they swapped out the Germans and Canadians