Posts by Sophia Moore52

So, we’re still stuck with nothing but empty promises about aid from the US... meanwhile, America's per capita debt has ballooned to fifty-five times what it was back in the day, all while capitalists pocket the profits at the expense of everyone else...

rustywalker32 said:What exactly have these capitalists stolen?

And what haven't they?

Olivia Evans8 said:Look, a true capitalist doesn't just snatch up companies—that's just straight-up crime and cronyism.
Real capitalism is Apple, you know? A company that actually builds something new and adds value to the world, not some buddy of a politician getting handed a massive corporation because of political favors.

It's basically like handing someone a toy just because they asked for it...

We're talking about America here... where is our version of a real entrepreneur who actually builds something respectable without asking for handouts? Is it Rimac, with his dad allegedly grabbing $60 million?

rustywalker32 said:The whole reason there was conflict with the communists was their obsession with nationalization—essentially just seizing private property. You're bringing up worker self-management, but that misses the point entirely. It really brings me back to what El Cid mentioned: it seems the real interest here isn't about building new cooperative enterprises from scratch, but rather finding ways to seize what is already privately owned.

How is that any different from theft in reverse? I wonder how many companies capitalists have stripped bare over the last 25 years compared to how many they've actually built...

Grace Wood5 said:That still doesn't change the fact that those costs aren't going away. We both know they're eventually going to come due.
Let’s be real: there is no way in hell a bank is just going to wave a magic wand and waive those extra fees when someone tries to legally claim ownership of a property. They aren't running a charity here.

A believer? Give me a break. What kind of "believer" are we even talking about?

Does the word "zealot" sound familiar to anyone else? 😒

The fact is, the Dukić/Družinec family is still living in their apartment. Even if that illegal RBA cooperative tries to pull an eviction stunt again, Living Wall will be right there to defend them. Those are the facts. You can keep rambling on about religious beliefs or how they haven't helped anyone, but it doesn't change reality.

🤔 The only real nonsense I see on this board comes from those supporters of the living wall. It’s a rare misfortune, but every once in a while, I have to wade through a massive pile of stupidity that people actually try to pass off as facts.

That’s just because you're being narcissistic. We all end up reading through them almost every time you post...

nimblemarlin6 said:Right... so, in your book, a specific way of organizing production that you happen to dislike is somehow equivalent to—well, let's be blunt—genital mutilation?

Let's look at some hypotheticals here. Imagine a country holds an election and a party wins that runs on a platform of supporting worker cooperatives and self-management.
Say the Green Party wins in America. Their platform isn't about seizing assets; it’s about fostering community-run cooperatives.
Who exactly are they stealing from?

It honestly feels like you're attacking even those kinds of hypothetical scenarios.

And then there's a real-world example—the Democratic Party in Greece is clearly a leftist organization.
In your view, is the Democratic Party just as evil as those extremists in Africa who mutilate children—meaning, would it be considered "moral" to invade Greece and liberate the Greek people from their legally elected government?

Ayn Rand and the libertarians would say yes...

Grace Wood5 said:Exactly. That "Living Wall" group cares way more about their own PR than actually helping anyone. Providing real support? Never heard of them.
Taylor Swift:

I actually registered just to tell you that you're lying. In the four years this thing has been running, exactly ONE family has ever seen the bill you're talking about, and we've stopped way more deportations than that. So quit trolling and claiming the border wall is driving up costs for everyday people—it’s just flat-out false.

Am I lying?
You can probably prove that too, if you want. I'm waiting. 🙂
Don't make me laugh when you bring up those prevented deportations. Every single one of them is a joke. Delayed..

You've got it wrong. This isn't about me. It's about these self-appointed "super-saviors" who claim they stepped up to save everyone. So, let's be real for a second—who exactly did they save?
Look, you clearly missed the point. As usual. I wasn't out here throwing random solutions at the wall just to see what sticks. I was laying out a roadmap—a way for them to actually start acting like a legitimate non-profit that cares about helping people, rather than just some self-serving outfit obsessed with their own PR.

Moving families into temporary housing elsewhere doesn't help the families—it helps the creditors.
In any normal country, you wouldn't be kicked out of your only home over a thousand-dollar debt...

Grace Wood5 said:Google, just so you know, sending the police on a call like that isn't free, and the bill will eventually be sent to the "rescued" family. If Living Wall actually wanted to help instead of just chasing clout, they would have tried (and likely already succeeded) to find actual housing for that family until they can get back on their feet.

Taylor Swift:

And the SWAT teams will just show up again.

And another bill handed to the "survivors."

Taylor Swift:

And the SWAT teams will just show up again.

And another bill handed to the "survivors."

Taylor Swift:

Whatever it takes.

Sure, because Living Wall isn't the one paying for it. It's easy to act tough when you're using someone else's resources.

Taylor Swift:

So where are you going to go? Where are you going to hide from your own conscience? You've got nowhere to go!

My conscience is clear; you should probably check yours. Supporting the push to drive an already impoverished family even deeper into debt slavery is inexcusable. If you don't know how to help, then stay out of it, least of all by being part of the crowd of assholes who are willing to step over anyone just to get some attention.

That's not right... the living wall has its own way of helping, and it works. If you think you have a better idea for housing, then go ahead and organize that kind of support yourself instead of trying to dictate solutions that should be handled by others, or as you put it, just spinning your wheels...

Ryan Carter3 said:They didn't add anything to the burden. There was no eviction because a massive crowd of citizens stepped in to prevent it. If there is no eviction, there are no eviction costs. This family reached out to Living Wall for help because they have two small children—practically infants—and nowhere else to go this winter. They've exhausted every single option available to them. People traveled from all over the United States, organizing themselves and arriving by bus just to stand with them.

And once again, the riot police will show up.

And once again, the people will gather.

And once again, the riot police will show up.

And once again, the people will gather.

No matter how many times it takes.

But where will you go?
Where exactly are you going to hide from your own conscience?
There is nowhere to run!

Ryan Carter3 said:The family reached out for help themselves because they have absolutely no other options—they have nowhere else to go with their children.

Since you used "them" instead of "us," I'm assuming you're just trolling and trying to subtly smear the movement...
Instead of trolling, if you actually believe in this cause, why not join them next time? Otherwise, where will you hide from your conscience...

Ryan Carter3 said:Another eviction attempt successfully thwarted today!

Rot in hell, you haters!

Honestly, we should just build a dedicated asylum for people like you, so you can sit around endlessly debating Karl Marx, capitalism, and the endless spectrum of left versus right; we could just hang a sign over the door that says "Mental Institution" and call it a day.

Way to go, that’s certainly one way to pick up more enemies...
(And maybe work on your grammar; being articulate is pretty important for success in life)

crimsonwolf20 said:Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.

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Mark Lopez8 said:Lived there?😁 Then why on earth did you come back if life is so great over there?🙏 Look, I haven't personally spent time in Canada or Australia—and sure, things might be better there—but all of Western Europe is basically rigged against the working class, and even America has its share of issues. You've got those flashy billionaire neighborhoods right next to slums where you wouldn't dare set foot. Even in New York City, you see thousands of homeless people sleeping in sewers just to survive the winter.👎

Supposedly he became a patriot once the gunfire died down...

Michelle Doyle61 said:Dismissing Marx so easily is a massive mistake. He was a profound thinker whose ideas remain incredibly relevant today, especially his critique of capitalism and the systemic flaws we still haven't managed to fix even a century later.

But what can you do? It seems the brainwashing of the 90s really worked...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...urn-of-marxism

"Today, 164 years after Marx and Engels wrote about grave-diggers, the truth is almost the exact opposite. The proletariat, far from burying capitalism, are keeping it on life support. Overworked, underpaid workers ostensibly liberated by the largest socialist revolution in history (the Chinese Communist Party's) are driven to the brink of suicide to keep those in the west playing with their iPads. Chinese money bankrolls an otherwise bankrupt America.

The irony is scarcely wasted on leading Marxist thinkers. "The domination of capitalism globally depends today on the existence of a Chinese Communist Party that gives de-localised capitalist enterprises cheap labour to lower prices and deprive workers of the rights of self-organisation," says Jacques Rancière, the French marxist thinker and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Paris VIII. "Happily, it is possible to hope for a world less absurd and more just than today's.""

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...py-for-bankers

"Since the beginning of the global recession everyone from the literary critic Terry Eagleton
to former IMF economist Nouriel Roubini has been declaring "Karl Marx was right"."

crimsonwolf20 said:Look, I’ve actually lived in Canada, the USA, and Australia. I can tell you firsthand that none of this is true—where on earth are you getting this misinformation from?

Sure, making money isn't easy, but saying most people are just struggling to make ends meet? That’s total nonsense.

Western societies seem pretty divided and class-segregated to me. It really depends on which neighborhood you're in, so you both might just be seeing a skewed version of reality...

I live in a tiny coastal town by the Atlantic Ocean, but whenever I post a photo of my place on a US forum, people assume I’m living in Beverly Hills. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that a regular blue-collar worker could own a classic stone house with a beautiful hundred-foot stone wall surrounding it 🙂

Over there, workers usually live in trailers or shipping containers, and even the middle class is mostly stuck in prefab drywall houses

crimsonwolf20 said:State ownership, also called public ownership, government ownership or state property, are property interests that are vested in the state, rather than an individual or private entity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_ownership

Look, even if you try to split "society" and "the state" into two different things, social ownership basically boils down to government ownership—at least according to everything we see in theory and practice! Honestly, you’re totally free to start a business based on those socialist principles whenever you want, so why not just go ahead and prove this model is actually better? Why try to force everyone else to run their businesses that way through sheer coercion? If it were truly superior, people would jump on board voluntarily—but they don't! The only way anyone gets that kind of management style to work is by forcing it on them.

Anyway, in Sweden, 90% is in private hands, while only about 5% is considered "social"—yet you keep stubbornly calling all of that "socialism"🤦

You seem to forget that over half of that private wealth gets funneled right back into the government treasury via taxes... and since social and state ownership aren't identical like you claim, why don't you try starting a government-run company yourself? 😁

Keith Miller30 said:It would likely unfold as something somewhere between a psychological horror, a heavy drama, and a dark comedy.

I doubt it, since that would imply everything stays exactly the same as it is now...

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crimsonwolf20 said:🤣

So wait—are you actually saying socialists are all about 100% private ownership of the means of production? 😵😵

No, they want social ownership...

crimsonwolf20 said:Oh, come on, please—having the government grab a 5% stake in everything is basically the end goal of socialism! 🤣

Actually, the true aim of socialism is 0% state ownership. After all, how can the government own anything if the state doesn't even exist?

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Christian Wilson7 said:Now, why don't you give me a list of private corporations? If you look at the Wikipedia entry on the Swedish economy (under the "see also" section), it actually mentions this: Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives.

We're starting to drift off-topic here.

Christian Wilson7 said:How can a country truly be considered socialist if its entire economy is built on private corporations, much like what we see in Scandinavia?

It seems our definitions of the word "exclusively" are quite different...

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