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@Elizabeth Fox57/">@@Elizabeth Fox57 - Seven weeks out from surgery and you’re pretty much good to go with all those skincare products you usually swear by; just watch out for any bumps, heavy pressure, or accidental trauma to the nose

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Betty Edwards22 said:I'm saying widespread use of Heparin cream isn't recommended, which is why I told you to clarify exactly WHAT is being applied/rubbed on.
But instead, you're just busy twisting my words.
Hypothetically speaking—and keeping in mind a mechanism you clearly don't grasp—applying it over large areas could be problematic.

As for that Tanak massage, it clearly and unequivocally specifies using a regular cream.

Look, I’m not questioning your massive expertise here—seriously, credit where it's due, you know WAY more about nose surgery than I ever will (not being sarcastic, I mean it).

But can we try to get back to the spirit of this forum, where everyone actually gets a say? This isn't your private sandbox, sorry. You gotta let other people participate too.

And when I quoted your posts, I didn't twist a single damn word. Applying Heparin cream to the face during a post-nose job massage isn't "widespread," nor is it some crazy, dangerous, or overpriced thing.

If I offer a specific piece of advice to someone asking a question, and you happen to disagree, if we want everyone to actually benefit and learn something, you could just say something like:

- "Alexander Mendoza21, don't use that cream for more than a week, and only rub it on the fatty areas under the eyes;"

- or: "don't use that cream at all because you could just as easily use... margarine, whatever."

- or: you could suggest a totally different method to help the guy speed up his recovery before he heads off to college.

- or you could just think to yourself, "wow, look at the idiots posting here, now this guy's gonna be rubbing this stuff on his breakfast toast for the next two years and end up poisoned because Donna Johnson16 was so vague," and just... not say anything.

Anything else is just useless to everyone.

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Alexander Mendoza21 said:How long does all that swelling and bruising last—everything you see right away? Will it clear up in a month? I’m thinking about the bruises, the swelling, and whatever else ends up showing on my face...

I'm asking because of work schedules... wondering if I can coordinate things properly.

Donna Johnson16 said:Swelling isn't the same for everyone, so you might just have to gauge it based on how you've healed from injuries before, or how fast you usually bounce back.

It really comes down to how much it matters to you to get the procedure done before anyone sees you, versus letting people see you while you look a little puffy. A gentle facial massage using Heparin cream can help bring that swelling down faster.

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Donna Johnson16 said:There's a video on YouTube called Tanak face massage (part 1 and 2) that shows an awesome lymphatic drainage technique for the face (sorry, I can't drop a link right now, but you'll find it easily).

Start doing that gently maybe 3 or 4 days after the surgery (the massage with the Heparin cream), and it should speed up your recovery as much as possible. Drinking tons of water and staying active (walking) helps a lot too.

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Betty Edwards22 said:On the contrary—I'm not "confirming" anything, I'm just pointing out how clueless you are about how this actually works.

You still don't get it—you don't go rubbing Heparin on your nose.
There aren't even any bruises there, and Heparin doesn't fix swelling.

So stop messing around with medical advice when you clearly don't understand what it's supposed to do.

Okay, this has gone on long enough. Seriously, go back and read what I actually wrote one more time. You honestly think the method I'm suggesting could somehow mess up the healing process?

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Betty Edwards22 said:...

Doctors only prescribe Heparin gel for rhinoplasty when you're going full-on septorhinoplasty... basically when they've done enough osteotomies to cause those nasty bruises or blood clots that the body eventually just breaks down on its own, though it takes a bit longer... plus, sometimes it's just for pure aesthetics...

Yeah, thanks for confirming that. I was actually talking about getting those bruises and the swelling to clear up faster, mostly just for the looks of it... you know, purely for aesthetic reasons...

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Betty Edwards22 said:Look, honey, I am begging you... just lay it out here for everyone to see. What exactly are you trying to pull? Because honestly, I can't tell if you still haven't realized you messed up big time, or if you're just typing total nonsense and thinking it means something else...Look, I’m giving you one more shot here... either clear the air or set the record straight. Your call...

So, anyway... how does Heparin actually tackle the swelling? Like, what's the actual deal with that? 🙂
The mechanism...

😍 Or else...? Anyway, thanks a ton for this opportunity...

Hey mods, sorry for going off-topic here, but I figured some people might actually be curious if Heparin cream actually does anything... if you want to get all nerdy and dive into biochemical or pharmacological PDFs to argue about molecular weights and stuff, there’s plenty of data out there to chew on...

So, I was digging through this massive Review about using topical heparins to deal with vascular issues... basically looking at how effective they actually are for treating those local symptoms and whether they're even safe to use long-term. It’s pretty heavy stuff because if you don't get ahead of peripheral vascular problems, you're looking at much bigger systemic nightmares like Deep Vein Thrombosis. Apparently, over in Europe, everyone seems to swear by topical heparins for managing those localized symptoms... anyway, this whole deep dive was meant to weigh the pros and cons of applying them directly to the skin to see if they actually move the needle on vascular health...
Old C, Frisinghelli A. source
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Vascular Rehabilitation Unit at the Passirana Hospital, located over in Garbagnate Milanese, near Milan, Italy... cesarevecchio@fastwebnet.it

Abstract

Dealing with vascular issues in your legs isn't just about stopping the localized aches and pains... it's actually huge for preventing bigger, systemic stuff like deep vein thrombosis from creeping up on you. Over in Europe, they swear by topical heparins to handle those nasty local symptoms tied to vascular disorders. Well, there was this massive review of the literature looking at how safe and actually effective these topical heparins really are for treating vascular issues. They pulled together data from 20 different studies involving over a thousand patients to see how various topical heparin formulas stacked up against placebos, doing nothing at all, or even getting subcutaneous shots. They were looking specifically at superficial thrombophlebitis and venous insufficiency. Turns out, the 1000 IU/g heparin gel (like Lioton or Menaven) beat out the placebo hands down when it came to dialing back the signs and symptoms of superficial thrombophlebitis. Even the heavy hitter—the liposomal heparin gel at 2400 IU/g (LipoHep Forte)—was just as good as getting subcutaneous low-molecular-weight heparin injections for relieving those local symptoms of superficial venous thrombosis. When they did direct head-to-head matchups between different topical brands, most of them worked, but that 1000 IU/g heparin gel really stood out. It was better than the heparinoid mucopolysaccharide creams (like Hirudoid) at actually fixing things like spontaneous pain, pain when touched, swelling, and that heavy feeling in your limbs. Another study even showed that the 1000 IU/g gel crushed a formula containing 100 IU/g heparin mixed with aescinate and phospholipids (Essaven) when it came to clearing up symptoms... Basically, everyone seemed to tolerate the treatments pretty well, with hardly any skin irritation or anything. Long story short? Topical heparin is a solid way to ease vascular symptoms while helping out with microcirculation. There’s some decent evidence that the 1000 IU/g gel might be the MVP compared to other topical options, probably just because the concentration of heparin is higher... though we still need some massive, strictly controlled clinical trials to say for sure...

Here’s the full study right here at the link... Abstract Getting a handle on peripheral vascular issues isn't just about fixing the immediate pain or swelling... it's actually huge for stopping systemic stuff from spiraling out of control, like Deep Vein Thrombosis. In the US, topical heparins are pretty much the go-to standard for managing those local symptoms tied to vascular disorders. This whole review basically takes a deep dive into the existing literature to see if applying heparin topically actually works—checking both the effectiveness and how safe it really is for treating these kinds of vascular problems...

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Alexander Mendoza21 said:Maybe hitting the weights will actually help once I finally get those tampons out of my nose, right? Like, it'll definitely have a good effect?

And obviously, I'm drinking plenty of water during training, like 2 liters!

P.S. Is it true that kissing is off-limits for a little while?😁?

Actually, no... lifting heavy during those first two weeks after surgery isn't going to do you any favors. Pushing yourself like that spikes your blood pressure, and trust me, you don't want your capillaries bursting. That's why I mentioned walking—not running, for instance—just enough to get the circulation and lymphatic drainage moving.

As for kissing, it’s gonna feel pretty awkward at first since you'll be breathing through your mouth, plus your nose is going to be super sensitive... but hey, if you can handle it, go for it. 🙂

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@Betty Edwards22/">@@Betty Edwards22 - seriously, just use Google, it’s right there

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Alexander Mendoza21 said:I was actually thinking of her, just didn't mention it in the post 😁LOL!

Thanks!

anyway 🙂. if you look on YouTube, there's this video Tanaka face massage (part 1 and 2) that shows an amazing lymphatic drainage technique for your face (sorry, can't drop the link right now, but you'll find it easy enough).

start doing that pretty gently maybe 3 or 4 days after the surgery itself (massage it with some Heparin cream) and it'll speed up your recovery big time. drinking tons of water and staying active (just walking around) helps a lot too

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Alexander Mendoza21 said:See? You’re clearly not stressing out as much anymore. Less worrying, less getting worked up, less obsessing over every little thing... just overall less of that constant anxiety, you know? It's like all that frantic energy just isn't there anymore... 😁 I mean, look... if you hadn't totally ignored the recovery process, things wouldn't have ended up like this... 😁 !

You’re quoting me, but this was actually meant for Elizabeth Fox57, wasn't it? And no, you totally misread that... I didn't say that at all. Look, surgery and all those meds put a massive strain on your body, which can definitely trigger hair loss afterward, but in this specific case, that part is already behind us. She's in recovery mode now. And honestly, dragging out that recovery process with unnecessary mental stress just makes everything take way longer than it needs to...

Swelling isn't some one-size-fits-all thing, you know? It hits everyone differently... so honestly, you're probably better off just looking back at how your body usually handles injuries. It all really comes down to how fast you personally bounce back...

How much does it actually matter to you if you get the surgery done before anyone even lays eyes on you? Like, versus just letting people see you while you're still looking a little... swollen? Honestly, a light facial massage using some Heparin cream might actually help knock that swelling down way faster...

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Alexander Mendoza21 said:So, how long after surgery does the nose stay "tender"? I mean, since you can't exactly go out clubbing or hitting the bars, I'm worried about someone accidentally bumping into me in a crowd!

Looking for some real answers from people who've actually been through this!!!

Interesting... using the word "fresh" to mean "sensitive"... haven't heard that one before, though I guess I see where they're coming from🙂 ... it’ll be tender for maybe two months, then slowly starts to settle down. It can take up to 6 months for that numb feeling to totally vanish

Elizabeth Fox57 said:What do you even mean by "how long will it be fresh"??? It's been 3 weeks since my surgery and I still look absolutely terrible because of the swelling...

Btw... I know I asked this once already but here goes again... for those of you who had the procedure, did your hair fall out? Honestly, if I brush my hair ten more times, maybe it'll just grow back... this is TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

🤷 And you don't believe me when I tell you it's just your body reacting to stress? Between the trauma of the actual surgery and all the different meds you're pumping into your system, it's nothing unusual. I told you not to sweat it too much—not because "it's nothing," but because overthinking it and panicking just adds more mental stress, spikes your cortisol, and ends up dragging out your whole recovery

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Kenneth Gonzalez7 said:So, my little girl got bitten by a dog today—right on her left upper arm. Just one of those days where everything goes sideways, I guess.😢
We ended up at the ER—yeah, just my luck—and they had to give me a shot of Klavocin. Now we’ve got an appointment with the epidemiologist tomorrow morning. Just one of those days, I guess.
Honestly, what worries me most is whether this whole thing is going to leave her with some lasting emotional scars—you know, stuff that sticks with you long after the dust settles. I’m already sitting here, low-key dreading the moment she actually has to face those dogs... it's just a lot to process.😢

That really boils down to how you react—that anxiety you mentioned is a huge factor. If you don't want your kid growing up terrified, then you can't be acting scared yourself. You've gotta dive into learning about dogs—their whole vibe, their instincts, how to read them and approach them properly. Once she understands the "why" behind what they do, that fear starts to fade, and hey, it actually keeps everyone safer in the long run too.

How old is the little one? Maybe watch some Cesar Millan together, if she's old enough to sit through it...

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I’m asking the folks on this health PDF who actually post under the 'nose surgery' topic... because, honestly, I was hoping someone might already have the answers I'm looking for? 🤷 What kind of fear are you even talking about?

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Betty Edwards22 said:You’re gonna have to ask him yourself, 🙂

Yeah, well, I am asking... do you really think I should just go straight to him? I'm hoping someone on this thread might actually have a clue. If nobody comes through, then yeah, I guess I'll just have to pull him aside and ask directly 👍 anyway, good to know he's still around there, thanks

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Betty Edwards22 said:He’s retired now, but he’s still basically running the whole show there behind the scenes.

🙂 thanks; he runs things—but does he actually perform surgery?

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Does anyone here know if Prof. Miso Virag is still operating? I know he was performing surgeries over at the Mayo Clinic back around 2007, but I have no clue if he’s retired or just moved on to other things. You guys don't really mention him around here, but he did an absolutely incredible job for my mom a while back—both the functional side and the aesthetics were spot on. So, I'm just trying to figure out if he's still in practice...

@Elizabeth Fox57/">@@Elizabeth Fox57 - stress does crazy things to your body. Don't spiral too much, your hair will grow back 🙂

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dustysailor28 said:Yeah, I checked—I’ve scrolled through nearly a hundred different threads, and honestly? It’s a total ghost town. Nobody’s actually saying anything.

I definitely won't be making my move for at least another year because I've got some serious baggage to clear first. But by next year, I should have everything sorted out.
The truth is, I went through a really dark period—a botched suicide attempt—that hit my family hard, and for a little while, they were all over me, acting like I was made of glass. But now that some time has passed, it's like we're right back to square one. It's as if they just collectively decided to forget the whole thing ever happened.

from what I can tell, the text in both posts is exactly the same, and it doesn't even clearly state the question.

What you actually need is some constructive advice on how you can change your own behavior to improve the relationship with your parents since you're stuck living under their roof—but the way you wrote this makes it sound like you're asking how to aggressively force them to change their attitudes and lifestyles... which, honestly, is impossible. Do you see the difference?

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Gary Wright86 said:Thanks for the response... I only just noticed the post.
I haven't managed to get my hands on Protopic yet, but I fully intend to pick it up within the next few months.
My plan is to use it for seborrheic dermatitis on my face and for LS (which is also an autoimmune skin condition).

The Elocom I'm currently using isn't doing much for me; it only provides temporary relief when inflammation flares up.
And honestly, the more I rely on it, the more it seems like the area affected by the dermatitis just keeps spreading...

yep, I get it; I already posted a ton about steroid creams over on the allergy thread, but clearly, there's more to say.

they work wonders in the short term, but man, they're brutal if you use them long-term.

(and seriously, don't forget—you absolutely have to use full sun protection on any skin you've treated)

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dustysailor28 said:Look, I’m a full-grown adult. I actually managed to escape the nest for a little while once, but thanks to a string of terrible luck—and by luck, I mean being completely broke—I had to crawl back home because I can't afford my own place.

And now, the nightmare begins. My dad just doesn't get that I'm not five years old and having one tiny bedroom to myself isn't cutting it anymore. The second I even hint at moving out, he starts screaming about how I have everything I need right here in my room. To make matters worse, I'm a lesbian, so you can imagine the level of tension in this house. I can't even bring a girlfriend over because there is zero privacy. On top of that, I'm vegetarian while they're all messy meat-eaters, so I can't even cook my own meals without a fight. Lately, things have escalated to threats of physical violence—which I don't take lightly; if they actually tried anything, they'd be catching a boot to the head—not to mention the constant yelling, screeching, and arbitrary rules. And then, in his infinite wisdom, he asks me what on earth I could possibly be missing or why I'd even want to be independent. Every time I bring up moving out, I get hit with these cynical jabs like, "You can't handle living alone," or "Who do you think you are?" or "You don't know the first thing about the real world." It drives me insane. I try to point out that even my younger brother moved out of his parents' place, but he just comes up with a hundred excuses why his situation was "normal"—as if he's some logic-defying relic from a bygone era who thinks this is how everyone should live.

So, I’m asking you: how do I make someone like this understand that their kids aren't meant to spend their entire lives staring at their parents' backside, begging for crumbs?

P.S. I know the ultimate way to prove him wrong is to actually move out, but that won't be happening anytime soon—THANKS TO THIS ABSOLUTE DISASTER OF A GOVERNMENT. Seriously, THANKS, go die. Since I'm stuck here for the time being, I actually need some advice.

(I posted this on Red Bull too, but nobody bothered to respond. I guess maybe this platform will actually have some life in it.)

you're asking the wrong question. your issue isn't about convincing some old-timers that you don't need to live under their roof—it's more like, can you actually pull that off? blah, blah, blah. i guess it's just all coming from a place of pure frustration with them, but venting isn't gonna get you much anywhere.

look, you've got two actual, technical problems you need to tackle.

one: how to move out of your parents' place as fast as possible.

two: how to survive living with them in the meantime while keeping things as chill as possible. if you ask *that* question on a forum, you might actually get some useful advice.

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Jacob Mitchell3 said:Why do you assume they act out of good intentions, and why do you believe they actually care about your mother? In reality, your friends are largely indifferent; they merely perform empathy because that is the social contract of friendship. They feel obligated to act as if they care. Most people are fundamentally indifferent to the struggles of others. When they say, "it’ll be okay," they aren't offering comfort—they are attempting to clear their own schedule. Your problems become an inconvenience to them, a distraction from their own lives. People rarely have the emotional bandwidth or the spare time to shoulder someone else's weight when they are busy managing their own. They offer platitudes not to bolster your happiness, but to stabilize their own environment. If your mood shifts, it affects them, so they attempt to fix you just to return things to a comfortable status quo.

I'm with you on that; plus, it’s just a habit, a canned phrase we all learned to spit out without thinking.

Sometimes there's nothing left to say. You can't fix things. So what then? Just a patronizing pat on the back? A best friend who *actually* gives a shit might just look you in the eye and say, "fuck, this situation really sucks. I'm here if you need anything." You could call them at 2 AM if you needed to vent... but there's no point saying that unless you truly mean it.

So, what would you actually want them to say or do?

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