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Susan Green15
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The question was really more about that persistent contradiction we see among believers—the way they insist that God is inherently good and just, yet somehow reconcile that with the fact that he allows children to suffer through terminal illnesses, even when he possesses the power to intervene.I don't think so. To be honest, it feels like these questions are being framed specifically to goad believers once again. Does anyone truly believe that you, or any other atheist for that matter, actually care about the answers to these inquiries? Looking at the vast majority of atheist posts regarding religious matters, one can see quite clearly that there isn't even a fleeting attempt to engage in genuine reflection; instead, there is just this staggering display of superficiality and ignorance concerning faith. If the answers actually mattered to you, wouldn't you perhaps find it worthwhile to exert a modicum of effort to actually contemplate them? But you don't—and it shows, both in the nature of your discussions and in the repetitive patterns of your supposed "arguments."
It seems increasingly evident from the ongoing discussions here that many of you remain quite a distance from true faith, held back by deep-seated prejudices and preconceived notions. One can’t help but notice how strikingly these views align with the constant anti-religious brainwashing fed to us through the mainstream media; it really does make one wonder if this is genuine conviction or simply the result of relentless conditioning.
Yours. What is that one deeply held opinion you cling to with such desperation? You know the one—that single conviction you are absolutely terrified to abandon, the kind you refuse to even contemplate questioning because the mere thought of being wrong feels like losing your footing entirely.
You pose these relentless questions regarding God’s plans, His intentions, and His conduct as if He were delivering a morning briefing to us personally every single day. It isn't even as though you are seeking genuine answers—for we all know that such clarity remains beyond human grasp—but rather, you seem to be fishing for some foolishly simplistic statement from the most naive or uneducated believers. There are certainly those among us who take the Bible quite literally and end up uttering something absurd, don't they? And then, like a pack of hyenas, you descend upon them, using their stumbling words to mock the entirety of faith and all who hold it. The motivation behind these inquiries and your endless debates is nothing more than malice, prejudice, and an intolerance fueled by a desire to discredit believers, painting us as a collection of unlettered peasants in contrast to your own supposedly "enlightened" and sophisticated atheism. The trouble is, you find yourselves incapable of sustaining even a single serious or well-reasoned argument, because your atheism lacks any foundation in sound logic, common sense, or even basic human nature.
It seems you all spend your time relentlessly interrogating us, employing a sort of biased, investigative scrutiny reminiscent of an FBI interrogation tactic, all under the guise of seeking explanations that, quite frankly, you aren't actually interested in understanding. You sit atop your self-appointed pedestals of "enlightenment," demanding that we provide justifications and evidence for our faith, yet does it never occur to you to wonder if you possess any evidence for your own convictions? Is atheism anything more than just another form of belief? I hold the conviction that God exists, while you hold the conviction that He does not; neither side can produce empirical proof to settle the matter once and for all. So, why should we be compelled to defend our claims and beliefs when you see no necessity—nor possess the capacity—to defend yours?
You seem to be asking believers why God allows death to take hold of humanity. But tell me, how am I—or any person of faith, for that matter—supposed to know the answer to such a question? It isn't as if I, or any other believer, am God, is it? He doesn't sit us down to explain his grand designs, his underlying intentions, or the specific mechanics of his actions. If you are truly seeking an answer to this, why not direct that inquiry toward God himself? Turn to Him; perhaps He will give you the clarity you seek.
I find myself utterly perplexed by your line of reasoning. Why is it that you, as an atheist who maintains there is no God, feel such a profound need to demand justifications for His actions? If God does not exist—which is the very conviction you hold—how can you possibly expect an explanation for His deeds or His grand designs? And really, what is the purpose behind this? If you believe He isn't there, how can He be categorized as good or evil? What intention drives you to pose such a question? Is this pursuit not inherently contradictory in its own right? Or perhaps, is there a more cynical motive at play?
Allow me to step in and answer on your behalf. It seems you aren’t actually looking for an answer, nor do you truly care to find one. Even if someone were to present you with a perfectly logical response, would you even bother to entertain the thought? It appears quite obvious that questions like these are posed solely to provoke believers, serving no purpose other than to stir up unnecessary conflict.
The question of sickness, suffering, and death is something God has orchestrated exactly as He saw fit. Why He chose this specific design, however, remains a mystery to me; I can only offer my own conjectures. What I do know is that any meaningful progress demands struggle, hardship, labor, and deep reflection—without those elements, growth simply doesn't happen. If a human being, or indeed any living creature, were perfectly comfortable at all times, there would be no impetus to think or strive. One becomes complacent, stagnates, and eventually decays. This principle holds true for individuals, for nations, for entire civilizations, and for species alike. It applies to everything. Real advancement only occurs when we are forced to adapt, to innovate, to devise new solutions, and to push ourselves to achieve them. It is precisely our problems and tribulations that compel us toward that necessity. Have you ever considered the old adage, *per aspera ad astra*? Through hardships to the stars? It rings profoundly true. It is only through the crucible of suffering that true progress is forged.
If you were to raise a child under a metaphorical glass bell jar—shielding them from every potential hardship, insulating them from every possible danger, and smoothing out every bump in the road so they never have to lift a finger—would you truly be considered a good parent? If you provide everything on a silver platter, ensuring they never face a moment of struggle or necessity, what kind of human being are you actually cultivating? Can one truly claim to be nurturing a soul if the very essence of growth is stripped away by overprotection?
I certainly don't take issue with the notion that God endowed us with intelligence and everything else just so we could struggle through life on our own terms. However, if we follow that logic to its conclusion, how can we possibly describe Him as a good or just God while He sits by in silence, watching it all unfold without lifting a finger? It seems to me that we are simply facing a series of contradictions that believers choose to overlook.
It seems you aren't grasping the core of this at all. Truly, not one bit. It isn't as if God granted us intelligence merely so we could "struggle" aimlessly; rather, He gave us the capacity to apply ourselves, to strive through effort, and through that very labor, to evolve and become better versions of ourselves. Furthermore, the notion that God remains idle is simply incorrect. How can one possibly claim that the Creator of everything does nothing? Is that not a fundamental contradiction? And wouldn't a far greater contradiction be the idea that He first equipped and empowered us to think, learn, and progress independently, only to render His own gifts entirely useless by stepping in to solve every single problem on our behalf?
Have you ever paused to consider the sheer horror of lying broken on a street corner after a collision, watching as people simply walk past you without a second glance? Or perhaps even worse—imagine them stopping to grab a sandwich and a soda, sitting right there beside your dying body just to watch the life fade from your eyes, rather than reaching for their phones to call 911. It’s a thought that chills the blood, isn't it? I only want to say this: people capable of such indifference are nothing short of cruel.
Has it ever occurred to you to consider a different perspective? For most of us, death is something we instinctively dread—a terrifying finality that signals the absolute end. If I were to simply sit there and watch you pass away instead of offering my help, assuming only that something horrific awaits you, wouldn't that make me nothing more than a cruel and selfish person? But perhaps we should allow God to know more than we do. Christian doctrine, and indeed many religious teachings, suggest that death is far from being an ultimate conclusion. If God allows a person to die, is it not possible He knows this isn't a sentence to something cruel or terrible, but rather a transition from one phase of existence into the next? Have you ever truly contemplated whether God understands that earthly suffering and death are merely passing shadows rather than the end of our story? It stands to reason that God possesses a wisdom far beyond our own, understanding that everything occurring in this life serves a specific purpose—a purpose He alone fully grasps. There is a certain necessity in letting things take their natural course. After all, if God is the creator of all things, would it not be fundamentally illogical for Him to constantly interfere with the very processes and laws He established just to solve our immediate problems?
If we accept the premise that God designed the world and simultaneously engineered the early viruses and bacteria that cause us to sicken and die, then aren't we forced to admit that this reality was built specifically for us to suffer? If the very foundation of existence is laid with such biological cruelty, doesn't that suggest a world intentionally designed for misery? To me, such a design seems less like divine providence and more like the hallmark of a malevolent being.
God created everything, including viruses. He fashioned us—however imperfect we might be—as the pinnacle of His entire creative journey thus far. Yet, He didn't design the world and the cosmos exclusively for our benefit; He created them for all His creatures, and yes, that includes viruses. Even an atheist could likely concede that in the natural order, every single creation holds its own specific niche and purpose. That role might prove fatal or devastating to one being while remaining beneficial or even necessary to another. It is only through this complex interaction of all living things that life can persist, and that principle applies to humanity as well. Viruses do kill us sometimes; that is an undeniable truth. But they don't kill everyone. Some survive, emerging stronger and more resilient than before. Every instance of suffering, illness, or hardship exacts a toll, but those trials that do not destroy us serve to fortify us. The purpose of adversity, problems, or disease isn't to provide Him with some form of divine entertainment through our misery, but rather to refine us, allowing us to grow stronger and move forward.
And where exactly is this progress—which may seem agonizingly slow to us, yet remains undeniably real—supposed to lead? Truly, I do not know, nor do I possess the capacity to grasp it. Like any mere mortal, I can sense that we are heading somewhere, but the ultimate destination remains obscured from my view. I certainly do not believe such clarity will be granted to humanity anytime soon. However, one might assume that God knows infinitely more than we do, and therefore understands the final destination of our path. Given our inherent ignorance and our lack of maturity, should we really be accusing God of cruelty or malice? Just because certain phenomena and processes remain incompremedible to us, does it follow that they are inherently evil, or that the God governing them is wicked?
Let me put it simply at the end. Imagine you are a fifteen-year-old kid who wants to go out with friends. Your parents clothe you, feed you, and provide a roof over your head—all provided freely, without a shred of effort or merit on your part—and then you ask for pocket money. They give it to you once, twice, a hundred times... But then, the very first time your parents say there is no money available, and you find yourself unable to go out for a soda, what happens? Suddenly, those same parents—the ones who spent years tirelessly raising, feeding, clothing, and supporting you—are viewed as "evil" simply because they denied a single request. This is precisely how those of you who accuse God of being cruel and malicious tend to think.[/QUOTE]