Posts by Jason Grant

Why don't you explain this little ego trip of yours:
""Acting like a total tough guy when you're really just a small-time poser""

The topic at hand is the pyramid.

Then you follow that up by asking me:
"And why isn't the entire pyramid built out of much harder materials?"

Of course I know exactly why you’re asking that.
You’re trying to drag the conversation back to the composition of the building materials—something that isn't even up for debate, since we have reliable, verifiable technical data on a massive structure like a pyramid.
The actual mystery, the thing that makes it one of the wonders of the world, is how it was actually constructed; even among serious scientists, there are all sorts of alternative theories regarding the timeline and process of its assembly.
But none of that justifies turning to me and the rest of the community with comments like:
""If you've been eating too much junk food, go brush your teeth and go to bed.""
And I won't even list them all.
You've already been warned by the moderators multiple times for:
- making things personal
- going off-topic
- insults
- inciting arguments
- meddling in other people's business
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Look, any theory about how pyramids were built is a fun story to listen to, but as an absolute historical fact? Not a chance.

Feeling backed into a corner by my reasoning, Ethan Brooks59, you resort to cheap shots. It seems like you've never truly managed to separate your thoughts from pure fantasy and historical guesswork; instead, you've let your mind get stuck in a loop where you're just a slave to your own biases, focused entirely on tearing others down.

We all have the right to present our arguments, ask questions, and point out logical fallacies or a lack of evidence.

Specifically regarding the pyramids, anyone on this board who wants to take a contrarian view or challenge any part of the mainstream argument has every right to do so. They can contest the interpretation of a thesis, or call out factual and logical errors in the claims being made if they believe those claims are nothing more than fabrications or baseless assumptions.
They also have the right to use logic to push back against intellectual laziness.
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We should keep handing out penalties whenever people break the rules.

The silver bullet?

I’m done letting you drag Monty down with your constant negativity.

It’s pretty wild when you really stop to think about how words, thoughts, and different vibrations actually shape physical matter.
That’s why we need to be careful about the energy and language we throw at other people.
What we're seeing here is basically tangible proof of how destructive negative vibes and words can be.
Instead of building harmony, they just tear things down.

Have you ever even heard of sound or color therapy? There’s actual scientific backing for it, especially among certain allopathic doctors in Israel, but I guess you’ll find a way to mock that too, right?
You won't, because deep down you realize you've pushed yourself to a point where you have to admit you didn't look deep enough to actually understand this, and honestly, just admitting that the goddess of learning is still a student herself is something that comforts me whenever I hit a wall of ignorance.

Edit (for the moderators):
I've allowed myself a bit of an alternative perspective here since we are discussing PDF alternatives.

But everything I’m saying has a footprint in the scientific world, and my stance remains:
Sound, ultrasound, EM radiation, and pressurehave a direct impact on water crystallization patterns, on thoughts, on proteins, on blood, and on the way we process information..
If anyone is actually interested, just Google this interesting study:
University of California, Berkeley Dissertation
Department of Nutrition, University of California, Davis
Graduate Studies
Nutrition
UDK: 637.344:534-8(043.3)
Scientific Field: Biotechnology science field
Scientific Discipline: Food Technology
THE IMPACT OF ULTRASOUND ON THE PHYSICAL AND FUNCTIONAL
PROPERTIES OF WHEY PROTEIN
Anet Režek Jambrak, B.S.
This work was conducted at the University of California, Davis, and at the University of Michigan (Sonochemistry Center), Detroit, United Kingdom
University of Michigan (Sonochemistry Center), Detroit, United Kingdom
Mentor: Vesna Lelas, Professor

How this all kicked off
To put it simply.
On one of those fringe science channels, they were debating whether the "Pyramids of Giza" found underwater in the USA might actually rewrite everything we know about human history.
Brenda Gonzalez12 keeps trying not to prove what are clearly undeniable facts, and out of sheer frustration, she ends up picking fights with everyone on the forum, even blaming the moderators for her own inability to make a case, which honestly just makes her a nuisance.

Take this specific post, for example:

Brenda claims that these are all just ???natural occurrences.???
I mean, how do you even continue a conversation with that?

Brenda Gonzalez12;:

What exactly was your point there?
It seems you’ve mastered the art of the insult—like when you go after Unknown, for instance.
We already know how this works; it's just your standard playbook for when you run out of actual arguments.

And now you’ve decided to come for me too, have you?
Let’s take this one step at a time.

POST br. 5. - JUST TROLLING THE THREAD TO START A FIGHT.

Pointing something out isn't trolling.

POST br. 10
- off-topic, and honestly, bordering on an ad hominem attack.

Why are you dodging the question?
On the Alternative forums, you seem to make a hobby out of mocking anything labeled "alternative."
Why can't you give a straight explanation?
Just so you know, the acoustic influence on crystal formation is a proven scientific fact. You love to wrap yourself in the flag of science whenever it suits you on the Alternative boards, but while plenty of things remain scientifically unexplained, the specific thing you're making fun of here is actually backed by data—it just doesn't bother you because you don't want to face it.
It’s easy to sit there and mock something simply because you don't grasp the concept behind the post.
Plus, you're making a fool of yourself over on the Natural Science boards.
So let's not pretend this is "off-topic" when you're clearly just using the Alternative section to ridicule anything that doesn't fit your narrow view.

POST br. 14 - blatant TROLLING, AD HOMINEM, and outright insults.

That was meant for Jerry Robinson56, whom I respect and who respects me.
We have mutual respect.
Did you even notice that I actually gave him a compliment?
The whole thing had nothing to do with you, but if you want to learn something, look at Jerry Robinson56—look at how he communicates with actual substance, solid arguments, and a bit of class and humor.
People like him are actually worth talking to.
The internet doesn't revolve around you, Brenda Gonzalez12, and you aren't the only person on these forums, so stop acting like this is your private monologue.
And why do you keep attacking Unknown like this? You've already been warned about that kind of behavior.
Why are you playing the victim?

🙏Jerry Robinson56, have you ever thought about getting into writing critiques, social commentary, columns, reviews, or maybe even dropping a book? 🙏
I’m pretty sure you could make a killing doing it.
It feels like wasted potential.

Ethan Brooks59 said:or ice crystals growing seven branches because they were listening to the Seventh Symphony.
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Just look at your own behavior.
You’re mocking things you don't even grasp.
There is actual research out there showing how water behaves at its freezing point, crystallizing into entirely different structures depending on variables like light or pressure, and even acoustic influences—concepts you clearly haven't a clue about.

And here you are, treating this like some joke you can drag out for years, thinking that just because you have a handle on mineralogy or petrology—and I actually enjoy reading your takes on rocks since I know you get that part—that you can somehow explain away everything that falls under the umbrella of Science Magazine or niche archaeological theories.

I’d also point out that the alternative platform doesn't actually do anything about people who are proven, serial trolls.

bluemason3, you hit the nail on the head regarding the current state of things.
It’s quite a massive post, and I’m specifically looking at your point here:
"The forum is extremely polarized, dominated on one side by hyperactive skeptics who thrive on crisis, while the other side promotes the most superficial and irrational versions of Alternative medicine... likely because there isn't a solid middle ground of established traditional medicine (aside from a handful of solo herbalists), leading to a negative selection where the loudest, most fantastical stories get all the attention."

That part in bold is painfully obvious, haha. I can't help but chuckle; crying about it won't change anything, so you might as well laugh.

But look, I was wondering—since you, bluemason3, have experience with and knowledge of Ayurveda, do you think a truly comprehensive Ayurvedic approach would actually work? I mean a full-scale regimen involving dietary changes, specific teas, topical creams and oils, plus targeted exercises... basically, if someone followed a professional Ayurvedic protocol, do you believe it could yield results?
Personally, I think it could be incredibly effective.
We really need to distinguish between just getting some advice, ordering a few teas, and thinking the problem is solved—there's no way that works. It might offer some relief, but it's nowhere near a legitimate therapeutic approach.

In case you weren't aware, ancient Hippocratic teachings—which I’ve been studying alongside nutrition for about six or seven years now—are almost identical to Ayurveda. To be more precise, they share very similar therapeutic methods in many areas. There are differences, sure, like using native plants found in the US or across Europe rather than those from India, and obviously some philosophical nuances, but the core therapies are fundamentally the same.

So, you could easily call our ancient health wisdom our own version of "Ayurveda," and vice versa.

Now, I don't personally subscribe to things like Tarot, astrology, or crystal balls, but it doesn't occur to me to walk in and lecture people on those topics. Especially after seeing how nicely the moderator Fish1968 interacts, communicates, and explains things... some people find peace in those practices and want their own quiet corner, and I respect that.

But what about the vegans, for instance? Could they also , bluemason3, find a peaceful little niche where they wouldn't get yelled at so much that they'd never want to come back?

Alex Williams4 said:I wasn't planning on weighing in here, but since my name keeps getting dragged into this... I suppose I have to.
Don't go thinking for a second that I’m anyone's lapdog. Just take a look back through my posts—read through all the insults I've swallowed without even bothering to report them. To be honest, I don't see much point in flagging every bit of rudeness; the moderators will just delete it anyway. Leaving it as it is serves a better purpose—it stands as a permanent testament to people who, once they run out of actual arguments, immediately resort to personal attacks.

Some of you seem quite concerned about my signature. For those of you mentioned in it, feel free to step up and claim you didn't write those things, or argue that I've stripped your words of their context. If my signature bothers you that much, then it's actually working—it means you've finally realized the sheer nonsense you're spewing (or so I'd hope). My signature isn't a sign of my own weakness; rather, it's an indicator of the intellectual state of the people listed within it.

The ones attacking the moderators are usually the same crowd lacking any real substance behind their claims—people peddling theories about fake heliocentric systems, the idea that the Earth is a hollow shell with a ten-thousand-kilometer radius inhabited by lizards, the Flat Earth nonsense, or claims of eating forty hours a day, or some talk about a fourth state of matter beyond gas, liquid, solid, and plasma... honestly, it would be a sin not to use these as prime examples of pure ignorance. Or the ones claiming pharaohs lying in sarcophagi filled with molten metal are traveling through deep space... The moderators are more than fair, even toward those who constantly lie and insult others (and yes, I am referring to certain PDF files I've documented).

Do you really think there shouldn't be a reaction to lies, forgeries, plagiarism, fabrications, or planted misinformation? If we didn't push back, those falsehoods would remain etched in the record, and eventually, someone might actually mistake them for the truth.

Personally, I find your signature hilarious—it’s probably given most of the other users a good laugh too, so no harm done there. Taking into account my previous comment, where I quoted the columnist M. Vidojević, and considering my aim was mostly to inject some humor while nodding toward the conclusions of many longtime researchers of ancient Egypt who basically say, "Building the pyramids remains a total mystery; we aren't even sure who built them, let alone how certain parts were constructed," and how the community tends to tune them out.
You, Alex Williams4, seem to be clinging stubbornly to just one single theory regarding the origin and construction of the pyramids. That's your prerogative, but you dismiss every other perspective—especially calling Elizabeth Cruz uneducated or ignorant. You fail to see your own narrow intellectual scope, which is boxed in by that one solitary theory.

Furthermore, that bolded conclusion at the end doesn't prove you're right; it shows an inability to expand one's understanding. On top of that, looking back at all your posts about pyramids over the last six months, so many of them are just directed at calling Elizabeth Cruz unrefined, ignorant, a fantasist, or telling her she needs to go back to grade school (even though you know she's lived through enough to know better). It feels less like a debate and more like you're venting personal frustrations in the middle of this forum's peaceful landscape, which is unacceptable.
Here is Alex Williams4's latest post:

It's just a constant, unending loop...
Is this just someone being petty and making a spectacle of themselves?

bluemason3 said:You're pivoting to something that has nothing to do with the point made in the quoted post.

What I actually did was pivot to the core issue: any rational, responsible, and educated person who follows healthy living principles ought to embrace natural solutions—the kind rooted in everything from ancient Greece and the Hippocratic tradition down to modern authors who teach the same simple truths, truths validated by millions of people seeing real health improvements—while still maintaining a bridge to modern medicine.

Being skeptical of those who hold these views (essentially being skeptical of Alternative approaches), while still welcoming them to this forum, is the key to having a focused, productive debate.

1. We need to identify, penalize, and kick out the charlatans and frauds...
2. On the flip side, the trolls who just spit on and mock anything Alternative are also easy to spot; they have zero constructive posts to their names despite posting constantly—it's obvious as day.

So, skepticism toward Alternative methods is perfectly fine, provided it serves the purpose of distinguishing nonsense from proven results. It’s worth noting that not all "science-based evidence" is equal, but someone actually coming from an Alternative background will at least grasp the fundamentals, whereas someone who isn't will just dismiss everything as stupidity.

That’s why it’s essential for at least one moderator in the Alternative section to actually come from those circles.
It's specifically so that person can quickly figure out who is who and actually maintain order in the Alternative threads.

Here is a simple example:
It’s totally unacceptable for people to barge into vegetarianism threads just to mess around talking about pork chops and stuff like that.
That shouldn't be allowed.
Especially when you consider that many vegetarians didn't choose that lifestyle for fun, but for serious health reasons, and many have seen genuine improvements in their well-being.

Elizabeth Cruz said:By using those signatures (Linda Moore51, Alex Williams4), they're really just exposing their own helplessness and showing exactly why they even bother coming to this forum!

Do the forum rules actually allow these kinds of "signatures"?

This is how they communicate:

Just look at the signature:

I’m with you. People like this only join the forum to stir the pot and mess with anyone actually trying to write something meaningful about the topic. They act like they're geniuses, spin nonsense, and just derail the entire conversation.
These types have absolutely zero connection to the Alternative movement.
They aren't involved in anything alternative; their only contribution is spitting on it, with briskbison55 acting like the lead editor and Linda Moore51 serving as the resident thread-killer.
They don't have any real education on the subject matter either.

They rely on these sneaky little logical fallacies that seem harmless at first—dodging the point, playing the center of attention, refusing to admit they don't know anything, manipulating facts, lying, and harassing other users. It's just constant mockery.

This has been going on in the Alternative community for a long time now.
We really ought to just ban the main trolls entirely.☕

bluemason3 said:Since things like public health or medicine deal with relatively clearly defined fields—complete with their own methodologies and evidence—it’s actually possible to set specific criteria there.

But because alternative medicine lacks those clear boundaries, allowing anyone to claim whatever they feel like, you just can't apply the same standards. I don't see how anyone could defend that kind of debate against skeptics; comparing it to a structured field like public health is a stretch. It’s more like watching believers and atheists argue about religion than looking at a formal document.

Besides, subforums have their own editorial autonomy. How moderation works in a public health forum versus a religion forum isn't directly tied to the world of alternative medicine.

Let's talk about positivism, rationalism, and religion.

How do you justify the way modern Western medicine operates when they completely ignore the fundamental Hippocratic oath—first, do no harm?
Just the act of diagnosing a disease can be harmful in its own right, especially considering how many modern medical technologies actually have negative side effects.
Then there's the endless waiting in exam rooms and the total breakdown of the doctor-patient relationship—it's subjective, sure, but generally speaking, things are much worse now than they used to be, which doesn't help the patient one bit.

And look, I absolutely agree that scammers and charlatans in the alternative space should be prosecuted strictly.
But we also see cases where a practitioner helps a hundred people, yet one person unfortunately dies, and suddenly that therapist ends up behind bars.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, people die in hospitals on a daily basis, morgues are built right into the facilities, and nobody is held accountable.☕

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:What if we flipped the script and handed a list over to the District Attorney? We could just list everyone here who keeps dropping "advice," "ideas," and "personal experiences" regarding topics that, when you step back and look at them all together, basically amount to the crime of practicing medicine without a license.
Don't believe me? It's a crime! How about "endangering health, life, and property"? That’s a felony too. And no, it isn't impossible to prove. Some people in this thread are out here throwing around total nonsense without a single shred of evidence—and honestly, even the lurkers who don't post are reading this stuff. But they ARE reading it.
So, when someone actually goes and applies what they "read" (whether out of desperation, curiosity, or whatever else) to themselves or others, and things go south health-wise, what then? When there's a digital paper trail showing some "alternative genius" gave that advice right here on this forum, are you really going to try hiding behind a username and claiming you're just using "alternative thinking"? Trust me, there isn't a judge in the country who's going to bail you out of that one.

Maybe after a few formal complaints, we can finally start strictly enforcing the general rules of this forum.

Look, folks, you're adults. You own your words and you stand by what you post. Let's dial down the wild spirits a bit, and specifically, let's stop falling for the junk on those "alternative websites" that claim you can eat literal garbage just because it has "fiber" or because it's "genetically close to the owner." 😵

And what would you say to the BAT kolo crowd? You'd probably just say that they were actually protecting you from the "New World Order," the "police state," and the "institutions" where half of these posters probably should have been sent a long time ago if what they write were true. If you're unhappy because you can't just live in total anarchy and spout nonsense (like "water screaming in agony inside radiator pipes," for example), well, that's on you.
Democracy isn't anarchy. In a democracy, you take responsibility for what you put out into the world. Look, alternative ideas and viewpoints are fine, but they need to be backed by actual evidence. Saying "I believe," "I think," "rumor has it," or "some experts say" or "on certain websites" aren't objective ways to prove anything. It's just spamming the same incorrect views or bad interpretations over and over. If there's proof for something, post it, and we're good. It's argument against argument.
If we do that, there won't be any more issues with people attacking the moderators.
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Of course you went overboard.
Have you ever heard of that American alternative group, HUPED?

Check out the HUPED website.

Have you ever actually sat down and talked to people who found real relief through an Alternative method?

Have you actually taken the time to read all those thank-you letters from people who found a way out thanks to some alternative approach?
If you want to meet people like that, just head over to the community center in downtown Chicago—the main hall on the ground floor—this Tuesday starting at 6 PM.

Why haven't we integrated Hippocratic principles, therapeutic nutrition, and herbal medicine into the mainstream Western medical establishment to work in tandem? It seems like a missed opportunity to have raw food and natural healing methods actually walking hand-in-hand with modern clinical practice instead of operating in such isolated silos.

When a 70-year-old is dealing with constipation, you have to wonder if jumping straight to a prescription drug is actually the smartest move, or if we're just rushing to medicate something that might be solved much more simply.
Is there just a straightforward, natural science way to fix this? Most digestive issues act like a domino effect, triggering a whole mess of other health problems if you don't tackle them at the root. Nowadays, it feels like everyone just tries to mask the symptoms by popping painkillers instead of actually fixing the source.
Do you honestly believe that's a healthy way for a body to function?

Who would actually walk away from those massive profits? Big Pharma wouldn't.
Would people actually be healthier? Yeah, most folks probably would.☕

Regarding the Alternative group and how Linda Moore51 keeps using her signature just to mess with Elizabeth Cruz, does that count as "harassing others" in a derogatory way? Given how much she constantly insults Elizabeth Cruz, it’s clearly not a pleasant situation for her.
Also, over on the Alternative-On the edge of natural science subforum, whenever someone asks who built the pyramids, it's just a pack of trolls posting solely to get a rise out of Elizabeth Cruz.
Ryan Gomez4 actually warned them about this a few months back, but for these trolls, their only source of mental stimulation is mocking Elizabeth Cruz in the most disrespectful ways possible.
Since we're dealing with someone in the later stages of life, using terms like "old man, you have no clue" or "gramps" is definitely out of line.

I’d appreciate it if we didn't water down the point here.

briskbison55, maybe you should try actually responding to the thread starter, Elizabeth Jackson,—do you have even a single
constructive post in your fifty-plus entries on a topic like "raw food"?
And I mean a real contribution, without diving into the usual provocation, trolling, or just breaking the rules.

Let's also leave the petty personal squabbles out of this.

The evidence Elizabeth Jackson has provided is more than obvious, much like the attempts being made to dilute it and play it down.

Can I get in with Jason Grant?

Yeah, just reach out to Nica.